Drugs Won the War on Drugs

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  1. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/14/opinion/14kristof.html

    Drugs Won the War

    By NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF
    Published: June 13, 2009

    This year marks the 40th anniversary of President Richard Nixon's start of the war on drugs, and it now appears that drugs have won.

    “We've spent a trillion dollars prosecuting the war on drugs,” Norm Stamper, a former police chief of Seattle, told me. “What do we have to show for it? Drugs are more readily available, at lower prices and higher levels of potency. It's a dismal failure.”

    For that reason, he favors legalization of drugs, perhaps by the equivalent of state liquor stores or registered pharmacists. Other experts favor keeping drug production and sales illegal but decriminalizing possession, as some foreign countries have done.

    Here in the United States, four decades of drug war have had three consequences:

    First, we have vastly increased the proportion of our population in prisons. The United States now incarcerates people at a rate nearly five times the world average. In part, that's because the number of people in prison for drug offenses rose roughly from 41,000 in 1980 to 500,000 today. Until the war on drugs, our incarceration rate was roughly the same as that of other countries.

    Second, we have empowered criminals at home and terrorists abroad. One reason many prominent economists have favored easing drug laws is that interdiction raises prices, which increases profit margins for everyone, from the Latin drug cartels to the Taliban. Former presidents of Mexico, Brazil and Colombia this year jointly implored the United States to adopt a new approach to narcotics, based on the public health campaign against tobacco.

    Third, we have squandered resources. Jeffrey Miron, a Harvard economist, found that federal, state and local governments spend $44.1 billion annually enforcing drug prohibitions. We spend seven times as much on drug interdiction, policing and imprisonment as on treatment. (Of people with drug problems in state prisons, only 14 percent get treatment.)

    I've seen lives destroyed by drugs, and many neighbors in my hometown of Yamhill, Oregon, have had their lives ripped apart by crystal meth. Yet I find people like Mr. Stamper persuasive when they argue that if our aim is to reduce the influence of harmful drugs, we can do better.

    Mr. Stamper is active in Law Enforcement Against Prohibition, or LEAP, an organization of police officers, prosecutors, judges and citizens who favor a dramatic liberalization of American drug laws. He said he gradually became disillusioned with the drug war, beginning in 1967 when he was a young beat officer in San Diego.

    “I had arrested a 19-year-old, in his own home, for possession of marijuana,” he recalled. “I literally broke down the door, on the basis of probable cause. I took him to jail on a felony charge.” The arrest and related paperwork took several hours, and Mr. Stamper suddenly had an “aha!” moment: “I could be doing real police work.”

    It's now broadly acknowledged that the drug war approach has failed. President Obama's new drug czar, Gil Kerlikowske, told the Wall Street Journal that he wants to banish the war on drugs phraseology, while shifting more toward treatment over imprisonment.

    The stakes are huge, the uncertainties great, and there's a genuine risk that liberalizing drug laws might lead to an increase in use and in addiction. But the evidence suggests that such a risk is small. After all, cocaine was used at only one-fifth of current levels when it was legal in the United States before 1914. And those states that have decriminalized marijuana possession have not seen surging consumption.

    “I don't see any big downside to marijuana decriminalization,” said Peter Reuter, a professor of criminology at the University of Maryland who has been skeptical of some of the arguments of the legalization camp. At most, he said, there would be only a modest increase in usage.

    Moving forward, we need to be less ideological and more empirical in figuring out what works in combating America's drug problem. One approach would be for a state or two to experiment with legalization of marijuana, allowing it to be sold by licensed pharmacists, while measuring the impact on usage and crime.

    I'm not the only one who is rethinking these issues. Senator Jim Webb of Virginia has sponsored legislation to create a presidential commission to examine various elements of the criminal justice system, including drug policy. So far 28 senators have co-sponsored the legislation, and Mr. Webb says that Mr. Obama has been supportive of the idea as well.

    “Our nation's broken drug policies are just one reason why we must re-examine the entire criminal justice system,” Mr. Webb says. That's a brave position for a politician, and it's the kind of leadership that we need as we grope toward a more effective strategy against narcotics in America.
     
  2. Obama stated that the war on drugs was/is an utter failure, its time to rethink and decriminalize.

    40 years past due

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  3. its fuckin ridiulous how much of OUR american tax money from us...the citizens $, have been spent on this "war"...the fact is taht everytime a big dealer is busted...someone else is readu to step up and do exactly what tht person was doin before...its just a cycle. drugs have clearly won the drug war bc every year more money that the previosu year is being spent and every year more drugs are being made/grown/consumed...just give up and regulate that shit
     
  4. But how long do these changes take to come?
     
  5. A watched pot never boils, as acceptance gets higher and higher all I can think of anymore is "Well then legalize it already".The fact is it is going to be legal someday (with any luck) it's just not going to happen overnight (sadly).
     
  6. I think it will be legal within 2-4 years.
     
  7. That will be great if it will be legalized within 2-4 days :wave:
     
  8. so true. the war on drugs = EPIC FAIL!
     
  9. I think that we are heading in the right direction towards legalization. We just have to wait for congress to catch up. More and more bills are coming out in favor of legalization. It will come, we just have to be patient... :smoke:
     
  10. But one question.. if people were on probation for drug charges or imprisoned for them.. would the be let off or released?
     
  11. Of course. Why would they still be forced to stay in jail/be on probation if what they did was no longer a crime?
     


  12. You know what, I HONESTLY have never thought about that. I follow issues pretty well, and this one is up top for me. But I haven't crossed anything yet that has brought this to my attention from either side! Thats astonishing to me! Ive never thought about it either.
    I mean the answer isnt that hard, though what I would think since so many are locked up under more than one charge is, that all those victims of marijuana related offenses will have to go through a system of its own to make sure that those penalties against them are stricken.
     
  13. Because when they were locked up, it was still illegal.
     
  14. Exactly.

    -C
     
  15. I just dont think it will ever be legalized..it would have to be a situation where so many people were getting high that politians would need to get their vote. The only way is turn everybody on to it
     
  16. 100% right, quoted for truth, +rep.
     
  17. "George Bush says 'we are losing the war on drugs'. Well you know what that implies? There's a war going on, and people on drugs are winning it! Well what does that tell you about drugs? Some smart, creative motherfuckers on that side." - Bill Hicks
     
  18. idk there was that vid of obama laughin at legalization (what a bitch what happened to change.org lol). so 4 more years of him in office most likely not changing his mind (who knos im just sayin) and NOT TO BE RACIST but he will probably be re-elected because alot of black people voted for him cuz hes black. agian not to be racist, but it is what it is...i dont wanna start a flame battle and i prob wont check back on this thread lol. i dont spend too much time on this site...but every few days ill cruise around it...........
    well thats my not really advice but prediction. hopefully after obama's out if he doesnt change his mind we get a president thats cool w/ legalization
     

  19. Did people get released from jail who were jailed in the same manner during the prohibiton on alcohol?


    As for obama, he knows he wont get re-elected if he doesn't do something about all the economic issues, the drug cartels, etc so I predict he will incorporate some form of decriminalization/legalization in his second term. (Or atleast say it so we re-elect him)
     
  20. we just need obama to stand up and show his fellow politions how the war on drugs in america was a epic fail, and obama said in a interview that he rather his law inforcement going after real criminals. It just takes one person in power to stand up and share the truth about weed. they cant just be afraid of the reaction of his fellow polititions. Obama is just to afriad to piss anyone off. untill he gets more support about the subject nothing is going to happen. But the support is starting to rise :D
     

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