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Does anyone have the 'heavy user endorsement' in California?

Discussion in 'Medical Cannabis: Treatments & Patient Experiences' started by MIDNITE EXPRESS, Feb 21, 2010.

  1. I live in wisconsin, and a friend of mine was telling me about it. I had a few questions, and was wondering if anyone reading has the endorsement? I've tried to look on the web, but my questions aren't completely answered. thanks. pm me if you want...
     
  2. You and your friend don't seem to know what you're talking about.
    What do you mean by "heavy user endorsement?"
    We talking fat guys who use cannabis?
    Or, some person who just happens to use a lot of cannabis?
    And then, what is a lot? What is "heavy" use?

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    Yeah, so when ya come to Cali just ask ur pot doc for the Bob Marley Special.
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  3. i do know what i'm talking about. if you don't have it, you don't need to reply.
    Amended: Senate Bill 420 (70 KB)
    Effective: Jan. 1, 2004

    Imposes statewide guidelines outlining how much medicinal marijuana patients may grow and possess.

    Possession/Cultivation: Qualified patients and their primary caregivers may possess no more than eight ounces of dried marijuana and/or six mature (or 12 immature) marijuana plants. However, S.B. 420 allows patients to possess larger amounts of marijuana when recommended by a physician. The legislation also allows counties and municipalities to approve and/or maintain local ordinances permitting patients to possess larger quantities of medicinal pot than allowed under the new state guidelines.

    S.B. 420 also grants implied legal protection to the state's medicinal marijuana dispensaries, stating, "Qualified patients, persons with valid identification cards, and the designated primary caregivers of qualified patients ... who associate within the state of California in order collectively or cooperatively to cultivate marijuana for medical purposes, shall not solely on the basis of that fact be subject to state criminal sanctions."

    therefore, if i doctor feels that you need more marijuana than local laws state that you can grow, the doctor can give you an endorsement that lets you grow more. please do not respond to this thread if you do not have it. if you want more info, please go to
    14 Legal Medical Marijuana States - Medical Marijuana - ProCon.org
     
  4. As per the recent California Supreme Court ruling, all patient's plant limits and amounts are subject to a case by case determination, based upon need, rather than arbitrary amounts.

    There is not now, nor has there ever been anything called a 'heavy user endorsement', which is in quotation marks in your title. I do notice that a company comes up on top in my general search for that term, that deals with products for passing drug tests. Interesting.

    Cannabis recommendations in California are issued by hundreds of various doctors, and plant amounts are sometimes, but not always, included in the language on their particular recommendation forms. The State mandated guidelines are now open to interpretation, so there really is no answer to your OP, it is a moot point.

    I will tell you, that all terminally ill cancer patients are granted great leeway in their plant amounts, but you don't want that diagnosis, do you?

    Get Wisconsin legal, and leave the Californians to medicate in peace.
     
  5. My doctor gives an "amount per week" on his recommendations, not an increased number of plants. Number of plants isn't even on my rec! A particular plant, he explained, can produce anywhere between an ounce if grown indoors, or perhaps a pound or more out doors. Saying you can have only X number of plants is kind of silly.

    I have 3/4 ounce per week on my rec. My hubby has 1 ounce per week. I keep a grow record of my indoor gardening and list the amount of dried bud each plant produces. (We have a "Duke's of Hazard"-type sheriff out here who will bust MMJ patients if he can.) I keep my plants fairly small and produce enough for just the hubby and me. I stagger my harvest so I have a continuous supply, rather than a huge single harvest like outdoor growers have.

    And anyway...

    Court Strikes Down SB420 Limits | California NORML

    Court Strikes Down SB420 Limits

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    \t \t Los Angeles, May 22, 2008: The Second District of California Court of Appeals ruled that the state limits on medical marijuana possession and cultivation established under state law SB 420 are unconstitutional.
    In the case People v. Patrick Kelly, the court overturned defendant's conviction for possessing 12 ounces of dried marijuana plants on the grounds that the prosecutor had improperly argued that the defendant was guilty because he possessed more than the 8-ounce limit established in Health & Safety Code Sec. 11362.77 and did not have a doctor's recommendation authorizing more. (Text of Kelly decision).
    The Court validated the long-standing view of California NORML and other Prop 215 advocates that the SB 420 limits are unconstitutional. Cal NORML attorneys have successfully argued the point in several lower court cases, but this is the first time it has been addressed by an appellate court.
    In a 3-0 decision, the court ruled: "The prosecutor's argument was improper. It was improper because the CUA [Compassionate Use Act] can only be amended with voters' approval. Voters, however, did not approve the eight-ounce limit and other caps in section 11362.77 [of SB420]; hence, section 11362.77 unconstitutionally amends the CUA." The decision is certified for partial publication, pending possible appeal to the Supreme Court.


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    There are no more limits! :eek: It is all up to what your doctor recommends!

    You really have got to get over to CannabisNews.com, or JackHerer.com and read the news. Cannabisnews has a great group of intelligent people commenting, kitchen table-style, on the news. Jack's site is being run for now by Jeannie Herer, his wife, while Jack recovers from his heart attack, so all you are getting are the big stories. She's, understandably, a bit busy lately.
     
  6. Wow, I never even heard of that. This is great news almost two years old too. So if i'm understanding right does this mean anybody with a rec can carry as much as they want in CA? Because if it was still up to the Doctor then wouldn't essentially be the same thing as SB420.
     
  7. This means that medical necessity must be shown for what you are in possession of at any time, and your doc may need to attest to that.

    The intent of prop 215 was to create accessible treatments for those patients who could benefit from cannabis, not to tell patients how relieved they could be.

    In California, there is a long standing legal tradition of not allowing the legislature to alter the scope or intent of any public referendum, such as Prop 215, without getting the approval of the voters, which requires an entirely new referendum, simply to allow the legislature to alter one little thing. The section of SB 420 thrown out, is only the concept of the plant count as a maximum, rather than using the basis of reasonable judgment by patient and physician. And, since some plants produce ounces, and some produce pounds, the standard (plant count) is meaningless anyway, at least in logic.

    It is a thing of beauty that no other State has, btw, this binding style of voter Referendum. In Arizona in 1996, the same year 215 was passed in California, the voters passed a medical Marijuana legalization referendum also, but without the binding language of the State constitution that Cali has, the state legislature simply threw out a quick bill negating the referendum. In Arizona, the people's voice was snuffed out, and to this day, Arizona still has no legal MMJ, while in California, the state constitution forbids such legislative shenanigans.
     
  8. There is no "heavy user endorsement"

    If you are a patient, you are allowed to grow a certain number of plants. If other patients sign you up as their primary caregiver, you are allowed to grow more plants. There is no such thing of patients being entitled to grow/posses more based on their conditions.
     
  9. I think you might be mistaken, several people I know have plant number exemptions. You have to ask your doc for it, it is a separate piece of paper you keep with your rec. One friend of mine has a 99 plant exemption, the other has a 40 plant one. This should always be posted wherever your rec is posted.
     
  10. that's what i thought i read once before. and a friend of mine from out there says he has a friend in the same situation. the reason i read about it was because a while ago when they broadcasted Marijuna.Inc on television I thought they mentioned something about it. either way i learned alot, I think, and I'm definitely glad everyone posted something so far. there's definitely some confusion out there still it seems. You guys are all pretty lucky out there either way. let's just hope Wisconsin comes through too. Thanks.
     
  11. It looks like we're both wrong.

    CA NORML Medical Marijuana Information

    It all depends on what county you live in. I know my county only allows 8 oz dried and 6 mature plants, whereas some counties allow 99 plants.
     

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