I understand that medical science is literally fascinating in terms of what we have accomplished in recent years, but I can't help but detest it also. Humans were not meant to live for 70+ years. And now that they are, we are experiencing an over population of the world. The O.P. is also attributed to different factors but still, the main premise is that if people don't die as often, less space is available, and this also affects job opportunities, availability of food. Not to mention space needed for such amounts of food. I think that if people lived until their original design 20-30 years of age, we would not be experiencing such problems in life that we currently are. But then again, things could be much worse. Opinions?
im almost positive humans arent supposed to die at the age of 30. from what i understand, humans have lived 60+ years for a very long time. life expectancy used to be lower because more infants died from disease, plague, lack of food, etc. but i dont think we were "designed" to die at age 30.
I don't know really what our designated life span was. I just remember that in the 1700's and before the life expectancy was around 30-40 years. Seeing as how teenage women were usually married and had kids before they were 20 normally.
there is no designated life span, life doesn't care about living forever. Women had children at a young age because they didn't live very long so they started early. Here's some video's on the subject: Aubrey de Grey says we can avoid aging | Video on TED.com this one is generally about how this guy thinks we could live as long as we want. The end is the important part, he talks about how life doesn't care how long you live just that you do, that's why there aren't very many long lived species on earth. Hans Rosling on global population growth | Video on TED.com This one is on population growth. It's important because most don't realize that population doesn't grow exponentially it slows the richer/more educated a population becomes. The earth can suppose a much larger human population but what it can't support is everyone living how they want in the inefficient manner that we do now. There is a lot of waste involved in our everyday lives but I think that it will change, slowly but eventually, just because it also means that we will get more per the money we spend on each thing and everyone likes that. I think you will eventually see that Aubrey de Grey guy again, I saw his first talk a few years before and most ignored what he said as too outlandish but he came back and showed people that he actually knows wtf he is talking about. I'm excited about the slow combination that seems to be happening of electronics and the bio-sciences. Even now going through school I can see tons of people working on things that combine the body's natural systems with electronics. Well you could really say that it's an overall combination of natural systems and "man-made" systems. We are learning how to do things that nature has been doing for a long time and then combining them with the other things we've learned to make an even better, more efficient system.
Overpopulation is a bullshit myth. How does it feel to be brainwashed ffs? Every human on Earth could live comfortably in, for example, the state of Texas with every necessity met and a huge mass of available luxuries, and all of our freedoms intact if the nations of the world joined together (not some sort of NWO thing) and divided our money and eliminated the debt of all nations. There is no such thing as overpopulation, only overgreed and dumb asses in charge.
I think that people can live as long as their package lasts for, and leave whenever they feel it is time. Medical science is detestable, however, but not so much for what they have done to 'extend' life, but the fact that they treat their patients with no more care than barnyard animals, milking them with a corrupt system that plays basic human entropy, against their desires to play god. And to be rich! Rich! Rich! Not all medical professionals are this way, to be sure, but the system they serve, makes many of them lose sight of their own Hippocratic oath. Ever wonder why Hippocrates and Hypocrites sound so similar?
So resource scarcity is bullshit? The earth is a little planet with limited resources might i mind you...
I honestly did not feel like watching this video. There should be no reason to stop aging. Like everything else on the planet, humans need to die. Now am i saying they should be wiped out in an entirety? No, I'm simply saying that humans as well as everything else need to complete a life cycle. Just because we are human does not make us an exception. Look at China and Japan. Ever wondered why the Chinese implemented the 1 child policy? Due to over population, and only families that live in rural areas are allowed to have more then 1, to help with farm work. Japan is seriously over populated, considering the entire country is the size of California, and yet they have 3x the US population. Over population does exist, and those 2 countries are very good examples as such.
And because you didn't watch it you don't have any clue what he said. The goal is not to live forever but to give us the option if we want it. Physically there is no reason we can't live for as long as we want to. Not every person on the planet is going to want to live for 130+ years. He isn't talking about stopping aging or dieing all together just that we now know that the effects of aging can be stopped if we choose to do so. If you have the time watch the video, he really does cover every aspect of this topic. So a large group of people in an area = overpopulation? Here I thought it was related to food sources rather than just the # of people. I think you're talking about overcrowding not overpopulation.
Why should people have the option of living 130+years? To experience the future that they normally wouldn't? I don't need to have any clue what he said to know my own opinion about humans and the possibility of no more aging. I personally think it's horrendous. There is a reason mice and rats live for the life span they do, and there's a reason everything else does as well. What he is proposing by what you have stated, if a synthetic fountain of youth. There is a reason the fountain of youth never existed, or was never found. And no, just because they have the resources to feed all their people doesn't mean their not overpopulated. You do realize that like 10 miles off the coast of Japan their is literally an island made of trash, right? All from the Japanese. They have too many people for their amount of land. Yeah, they can make sky scrapers and produce food in those, cool. That still does not negate the fact that, hey, X amount of people = X amount of waste. And seeing as how they have no land of their own to dispose of it, their using the ocean, and I'm pretty sure that it's polluting the near by seas this very minute. So in conclusion, O.P.=more waste=eventual need for new area to place said waste=eventual pollution. If people don't start dropping like flies for a good 3 or 4 years, you can expect things to get much much worse.
After a while we'd probably have a lot of wise people running around. We also may have a different perspective other than, "I'll be dead soon, let our kids deal with it" I think we could make a law that would regulate population growth. Either you have 1 or 2 kids or you can live forever.
I guess I'm one of the people that don't see the appeal of living forever then. I'd probably get bored with the idea after 100 yrs or so.
problem is that I could then say that that law makes it legal to kill anyone with children, because if they have children before this comes out then they will be restricted from getting a treatment that might otherwise save them. Dramatic yes but we all know someone would say it. I think you have to give it to everyone or no one. Population growth will eventually flatten out the problem is that we would have to educate the lower half of the population (watch Hans Rosling's video's, they really do show that the education and wealth of a group of people directly effects the amount of children the people have).
Idk i just hate the saying "life is short" It sounds like a good idea to me. I mean, who says you have to live permanently? Just try it for 150 years and if it's not for you, request a lethal injection or something.
I can see it working, but still goes against my morals. But i suppose that's why their called morals, they only affect the person who has them.
I mostly agree with you. however... [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eScDfYzMEEw]YouTube - George Carlin - Saving the Planet[/ame] The problems of overpopulation are really only problems because of human behavior. Assuming we could change human behavior (pretty big assumption) it wouldn't be such a big deal. We are too inefficient, too destructive, and too selfish a species however for us to continue populating the world at the rate of the 20th century without destroying it. Like another posted the TED conference vid and George Carlin implies in the vid above, the earth itself is a living being in a way and will kick our ass for fucking it up. The earth is so much bigger than us that it will devour parasites in one way or another. Before it does however things will get VERY ugly indeed FOR HUMAN BEINGS on this planet.
i agree with this. human nature is the problem. but, at risk of sounding redundant, it's our nature. you can teach people different things and methods, but you can't change someones foundation without them first wanting that change for themselves, whether that be through personal exploration or a life crisis. think of the movie inception and you'll get a better idea of what im trying to say. sure, there are people that are on the right track, but the majority of the sheep on this planet simply arent going to get it until our very existence is in jeopardy; and i think that's inevitable.
I don't know if I'd call them sheep but yes, most people tend to ignore a problem until it seems like it's important enough that they have to deal with it or they have to face whatever results will happen if they don't respond. Maybe a better way to say it is they ignore a problem until the problem doesn't allow them to ignore it anymore. At least for the majority this is true. Although I will also say that I have faith in the ingenuity of humans and I am fairly confident that when the problems do arise, we will find a solution to the problem. If not I've got my fallback solution all packed and ready to go lol.