I never said that I have a generally positive outlook on him. I named one thing that I agreed with.... everything else I have major problems with. Okay, sure... I entertained the thought of voting for Ron Paul, just as I entertained the thought of voting for John McCain, Mitt Romney, Mike Huckabee, Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, John Edwards, and all of the rest of the candidates. I found out what they stood for, what they intended to do as president, and picked the one I agreed with the most. It happened to be Obama. Go figure.
A useful trick I heard on Free Talk Live for gun-hating liberals is to "show them the gun". OK, so you want a $15 minimum wage. The fact that you have to make this a law shows that there were workers willing to work for less than $15/hr and employers only willing to pay less than $15/hr. Now, you don't want to let them. How are you going to keep them from working for less than $15/hr? Guns. Lots of guns. OK, so you want free health care for everyone? The fact that you have to make that a law shows that some people (me included) aren't willing to pay for your health care. How are you going to get us to? Guns. Lots of guns. OK, so you want better schools? How are you going to get me to pay for your kids' school? Guns. Lots of guns. OK, so you want employers to hire black people even if they don't want to? How are you going to get them to? Guns. Lots of guns. etc. etc. I find that most liberals don't realize that someone actually has to use force (or usually just the threat of force) to enforce their economic meddlings. With guns.
Isn't it strange that so many people were "closet" libertarians until Ron Paul came along? Talk about a messiah...
youre really gonna make a messianic joke when you support obama? youd think he was the second coming for democrats.
I was making it in reference to that... I'm quite aware that there are many voters who blindly support Obama and think he's perfect. I'm not one of those people. And you'd think Ron Paul was the second coming for the Libertarians... except that hardly any of his supporters ever considered themselves Libertarians until he showed up.
A good democratic canidate would be one that talked about bringing back the old democratic ideas not new changes to an already failed system.
Is this possibly because this was the first year a libertarian made it onto the stage? If you think that people only have libertarian values because of the "Ron Paul Phenomenon" how can you sit there and pretend that people don't "believe" in Barack Obama because the media tells them to? The only difference is that moderators at debates laugh when questioning Ron Paul while presenting Barack Obama as the greatest politician in American history. What I meant by "go figure" was the media tells you that Barack Obama is awesome, and you think he is awesome. They tell you "believe" in Obama, and you believe. Honestly, I don't think most of Ron Paul's supporters are truly libertarians, they just agree with his stance on major issues facing this country right now. A lot of people find his views too radical (coincidentally exactly what the media tells you to think,) but his principles of non-interventionism, civil liberties, and fiscal conservatism are made to look genius in contrast with an unpopular war, the Patriot Act, and being in a bust cycle due to this fiat currency racket. His celebrity is simply a product of the times... but his principles are here to stay, because they were based on the likes of Washington, Jefferson, and Madison. Until the media can turn them into morons, there's still hope for this nation. For what it's worth, I was not only a libertarian before I heard of Ron Paul, I was a libertarian before I even knew the word libertarian. I was always conservative on fiscal issues and liberal on social issues, I just never had a word for it... this is what happens when you think for yourself how a government should operate. Don't simply accept the system as is and try to fix it from there... every now and again you have to rethink governance from the ground up. And you'll quickly realize how FUBAR American politics is and why they need good looking celebrity-esque smooth talking amiable figureheads to put on the TV... otherwise no one would believe this charade. "It's called the American dream because you have to be asleep to believe it."- George Carlin
the only ones that are openly saying they will decriminilize weed is the libertarian platform,,,,,, and a lot of people actually lean more towards the libertarian ticket,,,,,, once they figure out what that ticket represents,,,,, the democrats of the 60's...is now the current republican party,,,,, does any of obamas speeches sound anything like what j.f.k. was saying,,,,'' HELL NO'' I BEIEVE THAT AFTER ALL THAT HAS WENT DOWN WITH OBAMA,,, that now even the dnc is maybe wondering if they choose the right man for thier candidate,,,,, but i believe with stoned budda,,, that hillary aint done,,,,,that bitch has something up her sleeve,,,, and the media jumping on the obama bandwagon,,,,,is sickening,,,
Funny, that upsets me a bit, but I actually agree with you. Using force to protect people from force...
People didn't know we had a choice until now. The internet is more connected with social networking at its peak popularity. This was the first popular candidate in 30 years to talk about a real change. He owes all his popularity to internet fundraising. The only candidate to oppose •expansionist wars •federal reserve system •bloated central powers •war on drugs •failed keynsian economics system And if you were a Ron Paul fan and watched the news or debates you were awoken to the corruption and bias of the mainstream media, the governments fourth estate. It changed my whole perspective on shit.
Hey, we have something in common... but being fiscally conservative and socially liberal doesn't automatically make you a Libertarian. There are a whole range of elected officials in both major parties that would consider themselves "fiscally conservative, socially liberal". In fact, I would describe Obama that way... however, McCain I would describe as the exact opposite. Ron Paul is pretty much an ultraconservative minimalist in all aspects. Sure he preaches more or less what the founding fathers intended, but they lived 200 years ago and couldn't predict the future. The government has to adapt... that's the whole point of having a legislature.
The government has to adapt or the government has to spend more of our hard earned money on failed institutions, I'd rather get back to the old way of doing things.
Ever hear the words "I didn't leave the democratic party, it left me" This isn't my parents democratic party, its been taken over by ultra liberal, big government socialist. Don't get me wrong, the republican party is not far behind. McCain's only doing 4 years, so in four maybe we will have a better choice.
Cause McCain is a man of such fine character. See, that's what I don't understand. I couldn't give two shits about a candidate's so-called "character". He can be a bumbling asshole for all I care, as long as I agree with his political positions and I'm convinced that he'll follow through with them. This isn't a personality contest. All presidential candidates are elitists... they wouldn't be in politics if they weren't. All of them put on a persona trying to appeal to the average citizen. At least Obama isn't as fake as some. And you honestly don't think McCain's stances have changed just as much (if not more)? http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/9111.html http://www.bi30.org/wordpress/flipflopper.htm http://howinsaneisjohnmccain.blogspot.com/2008/03/mccain-never-met-position-he-didnt-like.html Come on now... you're picking and choosing a few things that are wrong with Obama, while turning a blind eye to what's wrong with McCain. Yeah I know... you're a "Reagan democrat". The political parties aren't what they were 50 years ago, and they won't be the same 50 years from now. Democrats have always been for big government though... it's the Republicans who have undergone such a radical change. We now have the choice between big (Obama) and bigger (McCain).
I believe he's the only candidate who will even come close to balancing the budget... PAYGO, more efficient tax system, ending wasteful spending. I've explained it several times, but here's more info from his website... http://www.barackobama.com/issues/fiscal/ As a senator, he also introduced the Federal Funding Accountability and Transparency Act of 2006, which required the full disclosure of all entities or organizations receiving federal funds beginning in 2007. All of this information is now open to the public on the website http://www.usaspending.gov/ , thanks in part to Obama. Edit - this cartoon that someone posted earlier seems pretty relevant:
and then you look at his universal health care plans and his universal pension plans and all that "balancing" goes to shit. people need to wake the fuck up, these "universal" programs are going to destroy small businesses.
Except that his health care plan isn't exactly "universal" as most people think of it. Those who already have health insurance would be unaffected. Sure, it will be expensive... but it can still easily be paid for by pulling out of Iraq and getting rid of obsolete, wasteful programs.