declaration of independence; what defines a man

Discussion in 'Philosophy' started by Insurgency, Sep 28, 2011.


    • They seem to require less sleep. A black, after hard labor through the day, will be induced by the slightest amusements to sit up till midnight, or later, though knowing he must be out with the first dawn of the morning.
    • Comparing them by their faculties of memory, reason, and imagination, it appears to me, that in memory they are equal to the whites; in reason much inferior ... and that in imagination they are dull, tasteless, and anomalous.
    • many have been brought up to the handicraft arts, and from that circumstance have always been associated with the whites. Some have been liberally educated, and all have lived in countries where the arts and sciences are cultivated to a considerable degree
    • The Indians, with no advantages of this kind, will often carve figures on their pipes not destitute of design and merit. They will crayon out an animal, a plant, or a country, so as to prove the existence of a germ in their minds which only wants cultivation.
    • I advance it therefore as a suspicion only, that the blacks, whether originally a distinct race, or made distinct by time and circumstances, are inferior to the whites in the endowments both of body and mind.


    did he know this issue would eventually become a political issue, therefore tried to find justification with an objective philosophical/scientific method of approach. its not like slavery was a new issue, nor was liberating slaves.

    he makes a distinction between africa and american blacks, saying no need to focus on africa. he finds that american blacks are entirely different. yet isn't this due to forced labor and no education over many generations? africa has many indigenous tribes, just like the native americans. but because they are products of american slavery, does that really make them inferior?


    what defines a man. should our physical and mental differences really separate us?


    shouldn't this be a universal concept? "the way to silence racial disputes, is to take no notice of them." i'm awestruck that this has been summed up as "that's just how it was back then."

    forgive me for not accepting the extraordinary 'enlightened states' of our founders. this pov is a dinosaur.
     


  1. fuck that- dont simply except anything anyone tells you!

    someone once told me to believe none of what you hear....and only half of what you see....;):smoke:

    most of us now know that the people in charge have always been full of shit....
    unfortunately.....we cant seam to be rid of those people....

    we may get lucky and when some of the younger generation reach the age that they can get away with running for offices...they may make some changes for us from the inside....or the old assholes they replace will leave them stuck enough that the same bulshit continues.....

    who the fuck knows how it will go.....

    but i agree with you..... yes ....people were dumb
    and yes people still are...;):smoke:
     
  2. i am struggling to see why slavery wasn't put under federal regulation, or even abolished when the original constitution was drafted. if "all men" are in fact created equal, why was the constitution so lenient on slavery. the importance of the constitution, of any country, should be overwhelming were it shouldn't need explaining. in the politics thread someone said compromise, to keep a common greater enemy. (britain) i could see this being the case, but does that really mean what liberal democracy is? do we really have to set aside our fundamental core ideology for compromise? sure things are achieved faster but do they really work out in the end?

    i mean how much different are we really from the days of racism. you yourself may not be one, but that damn sure doesn't mean there aren't who are. comparative politics reminds me that this way of life isn't the only way of doing things. i mean is it really better? sure it is for certain individuals, but what about the ones who we many just assume "aren't determined enough."

    honestly, they should have included a socialist influence on the market. if you make a certain amount of money, where you could live absolutely find without any worry and the rest goes back into the state. i mean it really seems like they compromised for the quick solution.
     
  3. i think it has to do with the fact that there have always been slaves.....thruout the history of humans....
    even now...we are still slaves...they just dont call it that.....
    we go to work only to give everything we "earn" right back.....
    of coarse we are far better taken care of and pacified then any slaves in history.....instead of a whip they control you thru school and advertizing/television.....and if you work hard enough...they keep feeding you till you die of old age......
     
  4. Heh, you could look at it like that, or you can take a literal approach and say, "Because we are indebted to the federal reserve, and cannot pay back that debt, we are the slaves of the owners/controllers of the fed." But then it's simple but hard to break free. Live off the grid, self-sufficient, independent from the fiat money that the US has in play.
     
  5. i really don't want to derail in this thread, but it isn't the federal reserve, its the people appointed. andrew jackson showed that taking money out of the national bank and distributing it among smaller local and state banks only leads to a financial crisis.



    blackstar - "theives in the night"

    They say money's the root of all evil but I can't tell
    YouknowhatImean, pesos, francs, yens, cowrie shells, dollar bills
    Or is it the mindstate that's ill?
    Creating crime rates to fill the new prisons they build
    Over money and religion there's more blood to spill
    The wounds of slaves in cotton fields that never heal
    What's the deal?

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5kBz7D3rHo]Blackstar - Thieves In The Night - YouTube[/ame]
     
  6. is it really fair to label it as slavery? sure there is a hierchy in economic status, but that is what captialism is all about. some will strive and some won't. we still all play our parts, to the guy who bags our groceries, to the cop that pulls us over, and even to the president of the united states. the united states was founded with the purpose that any ordinary person could become "elite." in a way, we have provided a way of life that weeds the stronger from the weak and average. the way our public education is now (which i think was developed by jefferson) shows this example. maybe not at every school, but many try to separate the intellectually higher ones from the low and average ones. i mean it really is a system built on creating and noticing differences.
    what do you mean by this? i mean we can't really limit that pov to taxes, because those are necessities for government to run properly.
    are we really taken care of better? are medical advances really that better? i mean many indigenous tribes have the similar natural medicines like those developed as our daily prescriptions. we don't take care of eachother, and when we try to, we call it unconstitutional. what about slaves in ancient rome, who were considered part of the family rather than of property?
    when i was a kid, my grandma use to tell me that she couldn't believe the influence tv had on people. i shrugged it off, thinking shes just old. tv's are like cell phones, who doesn't have one? yet the idea of what a television is, is absolutely extraordinary. i can turn on this electrical device and a picture shows...WHAT!...

    but the media takes this technology to push in its views and influence. to be honest i really don't watch tv outside of netflix, because i can't stand commercials. i mean every tv show seems to scripted and terrible, always cheesy. i can't even take them seriously anymore. yet people watch it, absorb it, and let it influence them. its like people don't create themselves anymore, they think they know themselves, but they never really wonder who they are. "mirror on the wall, here were are again, through my rise and fall, you've been my only friend." lil wayne.

    i do have to disagree with you on schooling. although i do agree the idea of our school system has faults, the idea of education is needed. philosophical writers throughout the ages have emphasized the importance of education, whether it be denied or not.

    i think if we work hard enough, we have something to leave our children and so on. i really think that is what our system is set up on.
     

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