Dear "capitalists"

Discussion in 'Politics' started by FALSE, Nov 27, 2012.

  1. Dear gc capitalists,

    If you are twisting any and all political voices of compassion, and concern for the universe beyond the boundaries of one's own flesh and pleasure receptors into a move towards statism, and then twisting that into some fairy-tale religion, then what is your capitalism, but the religion of capital? And in any sense of the word what is capital in the end but power? Not really anything... so what is capitalism but the religious pursuit of power? You cherish individualism, yet all conform to a system of strict economic beliefs, and philosophical presumptions about humanity.

    Capitalism inevitably and always will turn into classism, which is just a separation based on circumstance, competing population, and whether there is a government or not to hide behind this would be the case. It is a vaccum designed to draw all wealth to those who already have the most, while throwing the rest just enough bones to keep the wheel of industry turning, and the wealth amassing, moving upward.

    Of course we can agree that the problem we have now is a government that is most useful to the super rich economists of today, and a society that is unashamedly an illusion upheld by a very select few of these scum. So yes government is corrupt, i hate it, but it is your tenets and philosophy that has corrupted it, is it not? Would not your guru Ayn Rand applaud these people as achieving an ultimate state of selfishness? The winners of the game, the most ruthlessly selfish among us?

    I presume that long ago (hundreds or thousands of years, long before any semblance of our more modern sense of what government is) the powerful, alpha, probably male, amongst our ancestors, who were born in the right place at the right time began to acquire their treasures, to sharpen there sticks, invent their gods, and began lording over the poor via bribes, a stranglehold on resources, and violence when desperation kicked in. Realizing they could enslave the less fortunate to acquire more and more resources and comfort for themselves. Under the yoke of their authority, the empty promises of better standards of living and trickle-down economics, and of course "liberty" (the most ironic of all terms to be ism-ized) they've architected your reality through language, culture, and human-psychology to keep all people trapped in their vision of the collective dream. Now we have a world where anything and everything under the sun has a dollar sign on it, and this seems so deeply rooted in most of the interactions that take place in the modern world. Whether you would think this is right or wrong, or have a care at all, i would suppose, comes down to your philosophy of human beings...

    If you think that certain human beings are inherently worth more than others, then you would probably argue that this concentration of power in the hands of a few is natural and even good, as if those fortunate enough to be born into wealth and receive an education somehow have earned the right to deny the same quality of life to others. The rich can only be rich if the poor are poor just by virtue of this being a finite planet with limited resources... capitalism, global competition, and primal animal behavior in a nutshell for you, probably the same human quality that convinces us that going to war is a good thing, also probably whats typing this right now, ironically enough.

    Nothing then stops the super rich (with all of their resources) from amassing armies and weapons, or creating shadow governments to give the common people the illusion of power, and to keep them docile. Thus, supporting capitalism is really just the submission to the authoritarianism and worship of the super-wealthy, or super-ambitious, or just super-fortunate, depending on how you word it. There is nothing liberating about it, and it turns the human condition into a game of haves vs. have-nots and one side clearly has the upper hand.

    And so, i have to ask, capitalists, how are these people not your idols, how are you true individuals? And how are chaos, aggression, deceit, and dominance not the celebrated qualities of your vision of the world? If you were in their position would you do the same thing?

    Best regards, cheers, yadda yadda yadda yadda
     
  2. #2 Deleted member 472633, Nov 27, 2012
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    Dear statists, why do you worship the state when it has resulted in the deaths of hundreds of millions of people over imaginary borders and nationalistic brainwashing. Why do you continue to insist on spreading your religion when it has utterly failed every single time its been put into practice? Why do you continue to glorify a state that steals from you, imprisons and kills your fellows? What do you have against voluntary interaction between people? Why do you feel the need to have the loaded gun that is the state pointed at not only your head but the heads of billions of human beings? Why do you continuously sacrifice your liberty at the altar of the state? Why do you feel the need to dictate to other how to live their short precious lives?

    Why do you continue to trust a government that routinely lies to you?


    In conclusion Voluntarism or anarcho capitalism does not force you to live in the capitalist system. You can and are free to VOLUNTARILY form a collective if you, practice true socialism if you wish something the state will never allow you to do without persecution.

    Why is it that you decry capitalists as evil and argue that in a truly free system man will turn against man and not realize that that completely contradicts your own argument.
    If man is truly evil of incapable of making compassionate decisions why do you entrust all the power to a few individuals in your imaginary organization known as government?

    How is it you put your trust in Senators and Presidents when they have been proven to repeatedly butt rape you everyday?
    Why do you feel the need to centralize power to a few individuals at the top rather then dispersing power among the people?

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  3. I have no altar, in fact i am a figment of your imagination. Im wondering if you realize that you are one amongst billions and billions of other creatures who you are in no way superior to, despite how inflated your head might be... Your post and philosophy are both self contradicting, you claim (in a very roundabout way) that you don't want nationalism or imaginary borders yet say that i won't have to live in your capitalist system in your anarcho capitalist utopian fantasy world. What happens when your capitalist society next to the community-based village I'm living in down the road finds oil and wants to start drilling? Or wants to frack near the local water source? Either we stand up for ourselves or you just walk all over us, since their is no rules for your private interests to answer to. You've probably got a ton of weapons since your all a bunch of brainwashed and paranoid freaks who think that you need to compete to survive. Would you march right in and try and rape it all just to get ahead in your free market game...or in the name of rational self-interest... however irrational and unnecessary it actually is... My guess is that's probably when the anarchy side of anarcho capitalism kicks in real hard, and all the sudden so-called pacifists are marching into town with guns... Is the border still imaginary at that point, or do you think people might start getting a little nationalistic? Why do you think someone might want rules, regulations, and rights then? You seem to be pushing the agenda of a sociopath. Do you actually care about other people or are you just a stoner who wants pot to be legal?

    Yeah man lets talk about who starts the wars... not the oil industry at all right? Not this capitalistic addiction to oil that people need to get to their day jobs on time so they don't get replaced by some other machine part and end up on the street with no job... You've got me all wrong... I don't want to dictate how other people live their short lives, i want them to liberate themselves from the fantasy bubbles they live in and to own up to the fact that what they do has an effect on other people besides them. Also i do believe that if there is no goal for the species (space travel, raised standard of living for all, conscious evolution through science and education, anything besides just be as gluttonous and as lustful as you want and don't worry about how it affects the planet, other people etc., have fun cue cheeky ass smile... ) then we are truly pissing away a great gift. No I don't beleive people are inherently evil, but i do think a cultural operating system that encourages competition in the way consumer-capitalism does is about as close to evil as you can get.
     
  4. Also better captions for your childish inclusion of the picture would be "wants better government, and actually does something about it besides spamming unoriginal ideas taken from news sites on internet forum" on the left, and "pawns of imperialist thugs" on the right. Way to hide behind ideology though.
     
  5. its not the government that sucks, its the people.
    so what makes you think returning all responsibilities and powers to the same private sector that hijacked the government would make things any better?

    the idea of voluntary mutual exchange? people will buy an ipad 5 made by slaves, thats voluntary mutual exchange for you.

    so ya i do "wants better government"
     
  6. It's Rothbard and Mises and Hayek, not so much Rand - who was ideological but wrote novels.

    Now, all that belly aching and you offer no alternatives? Incredibly lame. You've also grossly failed at identifying the difference between corporatism/fascism and capitalism. Tiss tiss.

    That said, some human beings are worth more than others - not says I, says society, and how said human beings are rewarded. A Surgeon is more valuable than a man who washes dishes. Henry Ford, Tesla and Einstein are worth more to society than men who spent their lives laboring. Some men and women aspire to do more, they should be rewarded more :smoking:
     
  7. Same tired old arguments.. sigh.
     
  8. seeing as how we will never agree.
    i say we do mutual combat. im growing impatient.

    melee weapons only? or should we allow bows?

    may the best ideology win.
     
  9. i'm growing sour diesel..

    we should trade clones.
     
  10. that would be against GC rules. reported and banned. eheheheheh you finally fell for my trap.
     
  11. such a great moment, i finally got august west banned, how many years has it been? since 2009? all this time you have avoided my traps. until now:devious:
     

  12. wits as your weapons...but then, 'someone' would be unarmed...:D
     

  13. will ya take this clone in exchange?
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    wasn't what I had ordered...:D
     
  14. *waves hand*
    these arent the clones hes looking for.
     
  15. To OP learn the difference between Corporatism, Crony Capitalism, Fascism and true capitalism then get back to us.

    I will agree that capitalism breeds haves and have nots, but I think that is a much better system then everyone getting the same no matter how much more work you do or what not. True capitalism is the fairest system to everyone. Everyone can make something of themselfs if they work hard, or get lucky, can't really do that in any other economic system.

    Ayn Rand wrote some good books but not to many people follow her. Like the other blade said. Check out Murry Rothbard, Milton Freedman, and Fredrick Von Hyake. They are the ones that showed me capitalism is not such a bad thing after all.
     

  16. I like all 3 of them also, but only one advocates true laissez-faire capitalism, Rothbard. Friedman was bad on monetary policy, and Hayek was squishy and was accepting of social programs. Only Rothbard, and Mises before him, are true laissez-faire advocates.
     
  17. #17 xmaspoo, Nov 27, 2012
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    What could be more utopian than the religion of the state? We can legislate fairness, health, education, wealth, and compassion into existence, all we need is the stroke of a pen! When that doesn't work out, we just have to "pray" harder at the voting booth.

    Libertarian thought is inherently anti-utopian, because it recognizes that humans are fallible, and that the world will never be perfect. If two people can't agree on what's for dinner, how can the whole world possibly agree on any sort of uniform standards of governance?

    So, rather then give the fallible ones the power to rule over others & regulate their behaviors (social and economic behaviors are the same), self determination is seen as preferable. More good can come from millions of people making more and more decisions for themselves, as opposed to more decisions being made by "representatives".

    A short reading list for OP, in this order:

    The Law - Frédéric Bastiat
    What Has Government Done To Our Money? - Murray Rothbard
    It Is Dangerous To Be Right When The Government Is Wrong - Andrew Napolitano
    How an Economy Grows and Why It Crashes - Peter Schiff

    edit: Went to add The Law, then saw LayLow was thinking the same. :smoke:
     
  18. One more for the reading list:

    The Law - Frederic Bastiat

    Personally I believe this should be the first book read by anyone interested in politics. Nothing else so clearly identifies what rights are, and what government is, or at least what it should be.
     
  19. the only rule is that theres no rules. cool idea.
     
  20. no rules means I can take your stuff, trash your property, lie about anything, harm you as I so see fit...and not be liable for anything...ya..that sure has worked in the past.

    unless you want to ignore HISTORY of all mankind, you could see why there are rules, laws, regulations to DETER such actions/behaviors that cause harm to others.

    Chaos will not make for a good time for anyone except those willing and wanting to cause others harm.
     

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