California Police Claim Marijuana Edibles ‘Could Cause Death’ https://cannabisnow.com/marijuana-edibles-death/ Photo Surprise Dinner Joint Opinions California Police Claim Marijuana Edibles ‘Could Cause Death’ A raid of a dispensary in Fresno, California’s conservative Bible belt, is noteworthy for its extremism and ludicrousness. By Chris Roberts Published on May 8, 2018 Tim Tietjen is a sergeant at the Fresno, California police department, where he serves on the narcotics enforcement team. As such, Tietjen is an expert in drugs and their effects on the human body — or at least, he is supposed to be. And if not, he can soon become one by attending training, paid for with taxpayer money, that is designed to grant him this expertise. And as such, Tietjen is surely privy to research that states, clearly and unequivocally, that cannabis has led to exactly zero deaths by overdose in recorded human history. Tietjen would know this if he has spent any time around cannabis, or other police officers. He would also know this if he read the Drug Enforcement Administration’s fact sheet on marijuana, which takes note of this well-known fact. Let us assume, for Tietjen’s sake, that he does not know this. Let us hope that, somehow, a narcotics enforcement sergeant is ignorant of narcotics. Because, if this were not the case, Tietjen would be lying when he told a news conference that edible marijuana products, the centerpiece of a baffling news conference called last week, “could cause death.” Fresno is in California, but for those readers unfamiliar with the vast state and its many multitudes, know this: Fresno is in the “flyover country” part of California — the hot, flat, mostly agricultural, mostly conservative Central Valley. It is here that cannabis legalization and the marijuana industry are interesting ideas and not a multi-billion-dollar reality. Retail marijuana stores are illegal, the subject of a strict local ban. Thus, it would seem that Fresno police don’t need much of a reason or an introduction to shut down retail sales outlets. Yet Fresno cops nevertheless spent two months “investigating” the Collective Element marijuana dispensary in the city — and justified a raid that netted six arrests and “150 pounds of candy” seized on the grounds that the cannabis candy could kill somebody. You can see the products in question in the above news clip from the local television affiliate. You will see cookies and candies, bath bombs and hair ointment. You will see some products that claim to have 200 milligrams of CBD, or cannabidiol, or the less-psychoactive cannabis compound. You will also see Tietjen make the bold claim that his actions saved children’s lives. “Think about what could happen here,” says Tietjen, whose job it is to be an expert on drugs, like marijuana, which has — remember — killed exactly zero people on the planet of earth, where Tietjen lives and works, as a narcotics expert. “These gummy worms get into a home, some little girl or boy partakes of that, it could cause death.” This statement would be outrageous — and it is, being flatly untrue — if it weren’t echoed by Fresno police Chief Jerry Dyer, who also justified having his officers camp outside of a brick-and-mortar store for two months by invoking dead kids. “Hopefully we’ll ultimately prevent some child in our community from being seriously injured or killed as a result of coming into contact with some of the items,” Dyer said, according to the Fresno Bee. Cops in Fresno received numerous complaints from citizens about over-the-counter marijuana sales in Fresno, where as many as 80 dispensaries operate in violation of local law. Cops can’t raid them all, Dyer told the news cameras, but “will shut down a dispensary if there’s a danger to the public,” he told the newspaper. And, if there’s not a danger, Dyer, Tietjen and the rest of the Fresno police department appear willing to manufacture one. The six people arrested, allegedly employees of the dispensary, are charged with misdemeanors and face maximum penalties of six months in jail and fines of $500, the harshest punishment available for someone selling cannabis without a state license under California’s Adult Use of Marijuana Act. Yet even the DEA says “Overdose effects - No death from overdose of marijuana has been reported.” www.dea.gov/druginfo/drug_data_sheets/Marijuana.pdf Granny
Last time I checked weed has never killed anyone yet being stupid kills people every day. Oh and there's this. Court OKs Barring High IQs for Cops
Actually it has. My son is a RN and there are times with kids can have really really bad issues. The “never killed” is a fallacy. It can and does. On children. It’s not the cannabis but it’s a snowball effect It’s like saying a car has never killed anyone, only parts of the car. Technically cannabis did not kill but the body trying to fix an issue did
They keep scouring the World looking for Weed deaths. The Anti-PotHeads are hoping to find results like this. A study would probably find that not smoking Pot kills you earlier than PotHeads Wooo Hooo
I'd like to see the ME report on these deaths to see if they are caused by preexisting conditions. Blaming an inatimite object that doesn't have the mental capacity to kill is not a good comparison. Cars have only recently started killing people, automated driving, people driving cars are the ones that kill people. It still has never killed anyone, dumb decisions while high don't count.
HAHAHAHA!!!!!! Fresno and Bible Belt in the same sentence is some funny shit, right there. Ever been to Fresno? It's always been the gang infested armpit of California. Bakersfield has been trying to catch up for years, but Fresno has some mighty big shoes to fill. I truly expect their problem with legal weed has more to do with conservative gang control. But the reefer madness angle has always been a convincing argument for some reason. .
I'm sure you've all seen this already, but it's probably worth mentioning as it may form some of the justification for what they are doing: Did 11-month-old baby die from marijuana overdose? Doctors debate claim The important bit is here: "It’s very likely that the boy had a problem with his heart before ingesting marijuana, Hurd said. “And [the drug] could have been the last straw.”" I think preventing these sorts of deaths is a good thing, as long as this doesn't infringe upon the independent freedoms of others. We shouldn't be giving people the impression that it's somehow okay for their child to eat edibles. The only way we can get there is through rational level-headed discourse about the facts, without the tribalist one-sided attitudes that we often see from both sides of the debate. The more informed we all are, the better. Just my two cents. Sent from my Nexus 5 using Grasscity Forum mobile app
If their IQ is that high and they want to be cops then there's something wrong with them. Better leave those folks behind and move forward with the dumb ones that just want to shoot everybody.
I'm sure ANY study will find that PotHeads live longer that Anti-PotHeads. Kills Saves Prevents; lets lump them all together. Dirty Pot lying sobs quit it.
About that infant dying- unlike most of you, I read the whole study. The poor child had some medical problems- as an example, they found bacteria floating around in his blood stream which were likely the actual cause of death. The exact species was never identified in the study, aside from saying it was not anthrax- which leave about 1000 other things it could be. Myocarditis is an inflammatory response that attacks the heart muscle leading to cardiac dysfunction, heart failure and sudden death. The bacteria caused an infection in the heart and the child died. All the study really says is that the child was exposed to cannabis and later died of a cardiac infection! Case Report Pediatric Death Due to Myocarditis After Exposure to Cannabis Pediatric Death Due to Myocarditis After Exposure to Cannabis A “blood culture from the right external jugular vein revealed aerobic gram-positive rods that were reported two days later as Bacillus species (not Bacillus anthracis)." Granny
I understand the need to push back, but I'm not saying that marijuana directly killed the baby. Is it not fair to say what I said before, that the child had a preexisting heart condition that might have been exacerbated by cannabis? I'd really like to know if this stance has been scientifically refuted beyond a doubt. From what I can find, some casual chain (e.g., increased heart rate leading to an inflammatory response) has not been ruled out. Even if the parents did not screw up, the condition may have inevitably presented itself in some other way at some other point in time, without any involvement from cannabis. So, again, I'm not saying cannabis is the killer, nor am I trying to sound the alarms. But I'm also not ready to ignore this case entirely and chalk things up to mere coincidence. Part of the reason I push back, and please don't take this the wrong way, is because I'd like to know if you think it's okay to give concentrated doses of THC to a baby? Or, more realistically, if this accidentally happens should the parents not call poison control? Or, are you saying that they should let it pass, as there are provably no increased risks in exacerbating some preexisting condition? This question I feel is nontrivial, especially for parents who live in a place where cannabis is still illegal and so the parents don't want to be prosecuted and/or have the baby taken into custody by social services. It doesn't seem okay to me to say these parents are totally justified to simply wait for the baby get over the high, at least not without some science that proves beyond a reasonable doubt that there could never be some casual chain of events leading to irreparable harm. Sent from my Nexus 5 using Grasscity Forum mobile app
About the only thing that anyone could have done would be to induce vomiting and provide a comfortable set of arms. The actual cause of death was likely the heart condition and the bacteria. As Granny stated above " found bacteria floating around in his blood stream which were likely the actual cause of death. The exact species was never identified in the study, aside from saying it was not anthrax- which leave about 1000 other things it could be."