Closet grow. First time. Advice appreciated!

Discussion in 'First Time Marijuana Growers' started by MasterOfTheStairs, Jun 5, 2019.

  1. #1 MasterOfTheStairs, Jun 5, 2019
    Last edited: Jun 7, 2019
    I'm not sure where this thread belongs. Indoor grow journals? Growing marijuana indoors? First time marijuana growers?

    Day 1 -

    • Germinated bagseed (lucky find from high grade bud)
    • Seed sprouted 24 hours later and was placed next to a window
    • 5W desk lamp used at night
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    Day 7 -
    • Moved setup into closet
    • Added 8W blue/red LED light and a desk fan
    • Planted 2 more germinated seeds from a bag of mids

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    Day 8 -
    • One of the new seeds sprouted.
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    Days 9 thru 19 -
    • No pics :(
    • Found fungus gnats from overwatering and treated with Neem Oil
    • The two seedlings (from the bag of mids) appeared to be moldy/yellowing and growing strangely so I decided to pull the plugs
    Day 20 -
    • Upgraded lighting to 4 x 23W Daylight CFLs with 18/6 timer
    • Transplanted into Fox Farms Ocean Forest
    • Purchased PH adjustment tablets
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    Day 21 -
    • Germinated and planted 5 more bagseeds from mids (expecting some to die off due to poor genetics)
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    Day 23 -

    The seedlings were getting stretchy so I decided to add more soil to their cups. The one seedling at the bottom has left its siblings in the dust! Crazy fast growth.

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    Money shot of my girl:
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    Next watering is scheduled for saturday. Leaves are growing at least 2cm (from tip to tip) per day.
  2. Welcome to GC! They look good so far! Next time you make a journal throw it in the journals Section you’ll get more views and comments there! Good luck on your grow! Keep it up!

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  3. #3 MasterOfTheStairs, Jun 5, 2019
    Last edited: Jun 5, 2019
    Thanks ! Do you know if I am able to move my thread after posting it?
  4. #4 MasterOfTheStairs, Jun 5, 2019
    Last edited: Jun 5, 2019
    Anyone know if this is potential new leaf growth or pre-sexing? Bad quality pics sorry

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  5. Definitely not pre flowers at this stage.
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  6. bit to young yet ,,but you can can see new side shoots beginning to grow ...mac,
  7. Treated the SOIL with Neem Oil??? For gnats/soil, Neem Cake is what you want to use.

    Should never use any oils in your soil, they’re for foliar spraying only. Also you need to emulsify Neem oil before you can spray it safely too. Otherwise you’ll have leaf damage where globs of oil landed and burned the plant when the lights come back on.

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  8. This is probably why the seedlings had some strange growths.. Thanks for that info. The oil I purchased was labeled "ready to use" with a ratio of 10% oil to water or something. I haven't used it since.

    Gotchya - I'll look to start LST once the stems of the leaves are longer.
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  9. I don’t think so but you’re good! You’ll get some good traffic here as well!
  10. This is the bottle that I bought:


    Not sure if the label will provide any more info
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  11. Update: One of the seedlings had the seed shell stuck to it, so I pried it off but it looks like I left a layer of residue and now it can't open:


    Should I let it be or try to remove it with tweezers?
  12. It's the membrane from inside the shell. Just mist it with water to soften it and remove it gently with a toothpick or something. :)
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  13. IME Neem Oil is only effective when it’s 100% pure cold pressed. Check out can get Pure Neem Oil and Neem Cake.

    Having a regularly scheduled time to spray your plants is very important in the IPM program. It varies grower to grower and conditions. I spray Monday & Thursday in Veg, regardless if I see any or not, pests never take a break and that means you can't either.

    Foiler sprays
    For IPM (every 3 days.)
    Per 1 gal of water add:
    1 tablespoon Neem Oil
    2 teaspoons Silica
    1 teaspoon Yucca Extract with 1/4th tsp Silica.

    1/4 cup Aloe Vera juice

    Stir Neem Oil and Silica or Yucca in a shot-glass with a bamboo kabob stick (the flat end) until the oil changes color and opacity. Turns a creamy color. If you have a blender, you can get a much better emulsification.
    Mix that in 1 gallon 80F water with the Yucca Extract for its surfactant compounds (saponins) and stir thoroughly.
    Use all of it, do not store.

    For washing dust off plants or general spray. For a better plant tonic spray increase the Aloe Vera to .5-1 tsp.
    Per 1 gal of water add;
    1/2 tsp Silica powder
    1/4 tsp Aloe Vera freeze dried flakes or 1/4 cup of fresh blended Aloe Vera Spears.
    1 tsp Ful-Power (Humic acid.)

    You need to spray at 'lights out''. This is because both the fungicide and insecticide compounds degrade quickly in strong light. By letting the material remain on the leaves in the dark you will greatly enhance the efficiency.

    If you're trying to eradicate Spider mites you must apply every 2-3 days until you have completed 4 applications. 4 is the number required to break the adult-egg-larva cycle. But that doesn't mean you should stop spraying, if you miss just one leaf they will keep spreading. I find it best to keep spraying until you are into flower.

    Neem Oil does work, but the way it works is different from other insecticides. Neem is not an instant, knock down, kill everything pesticide.
    Neem oil has many complex active ingredients. Rather than being simple poisons, those ingredients are similar to the hormones that insects produce. Insects take up the neem oil ingredients just like natural hormones.
    Neem enters the system and blocks the real hormones from working properly. Insects "forget" to eat, to mate, or they stop laying eggs. Some forget that they can fly. If eggs are produced they don't hatch, or the larvae don't molt.
    Obviously insects that are too confused to eat or breed will not survive. The population eventually plummets, and they disappear. The cycle is broken.
    How precisely it works is difficult for scientists to find out. There are too many different active substances in neem oil, and every insect species reacts differently to neem insecticide.
    Neem oil does not hurt beneficial insects. Only chewing and sucking insects are affected. Neem stops insects from eating the plants.
    Part of this action is due to to the hormone like action of neem oil that I explained above. Insects "forget" to eat after they've been in contact with even traces of neem oil.
    But it is also the presence, the mere hint of a smell of neem oil, that seems to be enough to keep leaf eating insects away. Neem oil can be very powerful as an anti-feedant and insect repellent.
    This anti-feedant property is one of the most often advertised and lauded properties of neem oil insecticide. However, the hormonal effects I described above are even stronger.
    Neem oil as an insect deterrent works well against grasshoppers and leafhoppers, but all other insect pests are controlled mostly through the hormone action. The hormonal effect is where the real power of neem oil lies. It's the key to neem oil being an effective insecticide and good for the environment at the same time. It's also important to understand this effect to use neem oil insecticide correctly.
    The subtlety of the hormonal effects, and the fact that they may take days or weeks to manifest, makes people overlook them. Ill informed gardeners seek instant gratification, i.e. lots of dead insects immediately, rather than a balanced environment in the long run.
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  14. Thanks for that Prepper. I've bookmarked your post and will return to it if I see the buggers again.

    I spotted them last time using the timelapse camera on my phone. Will film again after the next watering. I haven't treated them with any neem oil solution for over 10 days or so by now.

    They have been transplanted into new soil and their watering schedule was adjusted to prevent overwatering in the future.

    Sounds good. I found a pair of tweezers and will attempt this once the lights are scheduled to come back on.
  15. Unfortunately, once you get spider mites, they’ll always be there, hiding in the soil, or other tiny places. Spraying only handles the pests that are on the plant itself when spraying. You’ll need to buy predators for flower when you can’t spray.

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  16. You seen this stuff yet?
  17. I haven’t seen that before.
    I can’t find a picture of the back of the bottle. But they mention Thyme Essential Oil. Their other product Mam P is 97% water, 2% Alfalfa, 1% microbes. If a product is mostly water, it’s a waste of your time and hard earned money.

    Alfalfa meal provides many nutritional benefits for both plants and soil organisms, one important benefit is it increases plants tolerance to cold. With a typical NPK analysis 3-1-2 alfalfa is very high in N, vitamins and trace minerals, it also includes sugars, starches, proteins, fiber, 16 amino acids and the plant growth hormone tricontanol. VAM ENDO-Mix has all the microbiology without the fillers.

    Sorry off topic, lol, but back to Essential Oils, you can buy EO’s online (Food Grade). They’re a lot of studies on this, I personally use Peppermint EO (SUPER TOXIC to mites.) Spike Lavender EO, Etc. It would prolly be waaaaay cheaper to buy some EO’s and use them at 1-2 tsp per gal, emulsified like Neem Oil. With a surfactant like Yucca, Aloe, Soap nuts, etc.

    Essential Oils as Green Pesticide:

    Essential oil constituents are primarily lipophilic compounds that act as toxins, feeding deterrents and oviposition deterrents to a wide variety of insect-pests. In fact, pesticides derived from plant essential oils do have several important benefits. Due to their volatile nature, there is a much lower level of risk to the environment than with current synthetic pesticides. Predator, parasitoid and pollinator insect populations will be less impacted because of the minimal residual activity, making essential-oil-based pesticides compatible with integrated pest management programs. There are several examples of essential oils like that of rose (Rosa damascene), patchouli (Pogostemon patchouli), sandalwood (Santalum album), lavender (Lavendula officinalis), geranium (Pelargonium graveolens), etc. that are well known in perfumery and fragrance industry. Other essential oils such as lemon grass (Cimbopogon winteriana), Eulcalyptus globulus, rosemary (Rosemarinus officinalis), vetiver (Vetiveria zizanoides), clove (Eugenia caryophyllus) and thyme (Thymus vulgaris) are known for their pest control properties. While peppermint (Mentha piperita) repels ants, flies, lice and moths; pennyroyal (Mentha pulegium) wards off fleas, ants, lice, mosquitoes, ticks and moths. Spearmint (Mentha spicata) and basil (Ocimum basilicum) are also effective in warding off flies. Similarly, essential oil bearing plants like Artemesia vulgaris, Melaleuca leucadendron, Pelargonium ros- eum, Lavandula angustifolia, Mentha piperita, and Juniperus virginiana are also effective against various insects and fungal pathogens (Kordali et al., 2005).

    Citronella (Cymbopogon nardus) essential oil has been used for over fifty years both as an insect repellent and an animal repellent. Combining few drops each of citronella, lemon (Citrus limon), rose (Rosa damascena), lavender and basil essential oils with one liter of distilled water is effective to ward off indoor insect pests. The larvicidal activity of citronella oil has been mainly attributed to its major monoterpenic constituent citronellal (Zaridah et al., 2003).
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  18. Well shit that’s good info!!
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  19. Take a razor an slit the duck bill. Spray with water get it wet. Take ur fingers and gently hold stem when u operate

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