Clonemeister...

Ok first off, I would just like to make it clear that this is not a hostile post, and I think everyone would appreciate it not turning into one.
With that said,

\"the most ignorant, racist shit I have ever seen on this site, and that\'s saying something. \"
What I posted was not racist in anyway, it was my observation. I have known MANY minorities who wanted more and worked hard to get it, so I can only assume you did not read the whole post, and just chose to pick apart certain aspects you felt you could validly disagree on. That\'s fine.
\"minority\'s ask to be black, Mexican or whatever other group you look down upon from your lofty perch? Just like they wanted to be loaded onto boats, and sold into slavery? \"
I never said that.. nor did I hint at it, what I said was what they chose to do for a living is just that, a choice... America was not the first country to have slaves, in fact it was other African tribes that sold those slaves to America.. Now, with that said, I have never once owned a slave... I don\"t know anyone who has...So I don\"t see why this is valid in this particular conversation.
\"You mean I\'ve been busting my ass making tons of money for corporate giants for 20 years, while not making enough to afford health care or much of anything, all because I want to? \"
Well that depends.. what have you done to get yourself out of that.. if you don\"t like it? Have you tried college? There are lots of state and city colleges that are pretty cheap, and most offer grants and scholarships. Also there are internet colleges that specialize in working adults.. they can be a bit more expensive, but they can take less time and be just as beneficial, in fact, if you\'re interested, here\'s one that offers lots of degree programs from associates to doctorates...http://www.lacrosseuniversity.com/
It\'s fully accredited and I have heard wonderful things about it.
\"If getting a doctorate and becoming financially independent, involve being as narrow-minded and THICK as you seem to be, I think I\'ll just stay poor and uneducated.\"
I don\"t personally see the need for name calling, and I think it makes you look bad, but I\'ll move on...
\"It is ignorant people like you who cause hatred of Americans.\"
I don\'t cause hatred... In fact, I get quite offended when people around me start getting hateful.. Nothing I said was mean or hateful...
\"I rate you right up there with the guy who was promoting pedophilia.\"
It is not my concern what you rate me \"right up there with\" if you really think my opinion is that bad, then that\"s your problem. All I can say is I don\"t see how you can live in this world, because I promise you, there is much worse. And I take much offence to an ignorant and foolish comment like that. I have very close personal experience with this issue, and you are obviously far worse than I am because I can see a great distinction between someone with an opinion and someone who victimizes defenseless children.
\"BTW, I may be poor and ignorant, but at least I can \"spell-check\"
That\'s great for you, I personally don\"t feel the need to second guess my every move.. if you can understand what I\'m saying that\'s all I need. I do just fine.
\"Do they often give out doctorates to people who can\'t even spell \"excuse\", or even proof read what they write? I think not..........good luck with that.\"
Well obviously I would take more care with papers that MATTERED.. a post on a bulletin board to people I\'ve never seen, nor will likely ever see doesn\'t rank that high on my \"need to check the spelling\" scale. Thank you for the luck though.. anyone who is going for a doctorate needs it. I appreciate it.
Well now that that is cleared up, I hope you have a good day.
G\'Night.

WLF

 

Well, having just taken the time to reread the original post again... I still don\'t see it the same way you do. His point is that muslim terrorists are our threat, and we need to defend against them. To do so we need to understand what could or would happen if we lose this war. I believe I posted after the original post that there were things in it that I didn\'t completely agree with, but posted it as a whole so I didn\'t disrupt the message, as a whole. As I read the letter, I \"assumed\" all references to Muslim were intended to mean Muslim Terrorists.. Now, I personally have no ability to tell the difference between a peaceful, loving Muslim who wants nothing more than a better life for his/her family, and one who wants to gain an advantage on our ground and kill My daughter. With that said, Im not for genocide, and the letter never said anything about genocide except in the reference to the Germans and Nazi under Hitler\'s rule.... but nothing about genocide against Muslims, that\'s an assumption on your part, I believe.
The letter never said anything about Muslims not contributing anything good to the world.. I didn\'t read that once.. in fact looking for it I was not able to find any reference or any type of undertone about that, so again, I think that is an assumption on your part... . As for the minority issue, I stand behind what I said. I had just as few opportunities as the minority kids I grew up with... I don\'t live like that now because I chose not to live like that... Why is it that everyone feels the need to defend minorities for not making their life better? I just don\'t understand it... Anyone who made their life better did so by working hard for it. I know I did, and still am. But I\'d rather bust my @ss everyday for the next however many years and achieve my goals than to sit on my butt all day and blame everyone else for why my life is so shitty. There are people of minority out there who do the same thing.. they bust their @ss every day to make their life better... If you\'re going to complain about it, fix it, other wise shut up, you have no right to bitch. (that is not directed towards you in anyway, it is merely a statement of my opinion towards those who complain about their life but don\'t do anything to make it better. Just so there is no misunderstanding.) As for being \"condescending\" towards school, I didn\'t mean it that way.. you made a comment that made me think you might be interested in information, I\'m sorry if you took it differently, but my point still remains, don\'t complain about your life if you\'re not willing to fix it. I don\'t understand how it\'s so hard to get that concept through... You know if I had been talking about white trailer park trash, I imagine there would have been different responses. But I guess that\'s just speculation. Perhaps it\'s just my ignorance on your thought process, but I still don\'t see what\'s so absurd about having a choice in what you do. Everyone has a choice in what they do, whether they want to admit it or not.. some find it easier to blame other people for their problems...Problems they could alleviate if they made a different choice and fought for it. to quote Into the Woods \"The greatest prize can often lie at the end of a thornious path.\" And as a note, I never once called you a poor uneducated fool... You made that comment, so if you continue to use it, please make sure you keep that in mind. I am also amused that you have continued to make comments about my \"superior attitude\" I have never once said I was superior, again an assumption you made. I was making my point and then attacked and when I posted a reply to reiterate my point and explain the difference between what my intentions were and what your perception of them were I was accused of having a superior attitude. Well, if standing behind my point that people make their own choices in how they want to live their life makes me seem like I feel superior, that\'s not my problem.
\"Well, it was my \"observation\" , that the broad generalization about there being no excuse for \"poor\" people and \"Minorities\" bettering themselves was not only racist, but elitist, and based on ignorance. \"
I didn\'t say that, I said there was no excuse for them NOT to better themselves. Some of them don\'t want to better themselves, some of them want to live how they have been since they were born, and then blame everyone else because they can\'t get ahead, cant make more money, can\'t get a better job, can\'t do this or that.. it\'s not their fault, it\'s everyone else\'s. Those are the minorities I am referring to. \"What you have is some people who want an easy hand out.. I\'ll just sit at home, have babies, steal cars, and sell drugs and then complain because \"my people\" can\'t get a break.\" I stand firmly behind my prior statements on this matter. Then you have others who saw past their ghetto surroundings, past the gangs and dilapidated homes. They worked hard, went to college, or learned a trade and got out of that life. Both minority and non minority. My husband\'s parents pretty much abandoned him around the age of 12. He stayed with friends when he could, but most people don\'t want to have to take care of someone else\'s kid. When he wasn\'t staying with friends, he was sleeping in a patch of woods in the area, going to school wearing the same clothes he\'d worn 5 or 6 days in a row, no where to wash them, having to shower in Gym class because it was his only opportunity. He wanted more. He taught himself japanese, enlisted in the military out of high school, and worked very hard to make his life better. Now he owns a $110,000 house, two cars and doesn\'t want for anything. He is also a father himself now and knows exactly what NOT to be. It would have been VERY easy for him to give up, to say Life sucks, I\'ll never be anything. Goodness knows he was told that enough. But he CHOSE not to... he chose to make his life better. Now maybe some minorities have a good excuse for not working hard, fine.. I\'ll accept that.. but I refuse to buy into the idea that I owe them something... My father had Native American in him, so I guess if you really want to get technical, they owe me and MY family... I mean seriously aside from Native American states, like Oklahoma, where the few remaining Native Americans can live together how many times have you seen more than two or three native americans? Even that many? Until the \"Minorities\" are THAT close to being wiped out, I don\'t owe them a thing... if they want something they can choose to work hard for it, just like everyone else does. That was and is my whole point behind my post to Steven_W. I hope I have been able to make that clear.

 

Look, this is all I\'m going to say, because this is ridiculous, and I\'m tired of hearing you put words in my mouth, and make YOUR OWN assumptions about how I would treat people, or what I implyed about you. First off, I NEVER implied anything about you... I answered every attack based on what YOU gave me. I never implyed you were uneducated or a fool, you did.. I also never implyed you were either minority or white trash, you did.. I never related any of those comments ABOUT you... So please dont pretend that I did. Now I will also say this.. Saying \"was an attempt to show how silly it is to think that \"choice\" alone is the deciding factor in everyones occupation. \" Is much more of a clear argument than talking about busting your ass for 20 years... As for this tread being started to make you look bad, you\'re wrong, I genuenly wanted to talk to you based on the post you made. I felt you had misunderstandings, and I might be able to address them. Also, I will say this, and you can take it for what it\'s worth, throughout this entire debate, I have never once based an opinion of you soley on this debate, I have allowed the possibility that you are more than one point of view... But it is quite apparent that you have not done the same.. That I am exactly one point of view and nothing more... I understand people see things differently, and may feel strongly about their opinion or ideas, but that no matter how strongly they feel there is always more to them than that ONE idea. As for starting a post you can do as you wish, I dont particularly care... I\'m starting school in a few days and dont really have time to fiddle around on these boards anymore anyways, so you have free reign to say whatever you would like... without replys from me... You talk about me making implying and making assumptions about you, when in fact is has been the otherway around... I would have apprieciated this conversation being the way I tried to keep it.. without the specific thoughts being projected onto the other party. I.E. Comments like \"whites the way \"You\" would probably treat \"minorities\" You have no idea how I would treat anyone, and I imagine you dont care. That\'s fine, but I didn\'t make this personal by attacking you, and you couldn\'t seem to NOT attack me. I hope that maybe in all your wisdom you can learn something new.. Infact looking back on the last letter, I even SAID \"that is not directed towards you in anyway, it is merely a statement of my opinion towards those who complain about their life but don\'t do anything to make it better. Just so there is no misunderstanding.\" And still you try to say I\'m directing that at you? \"I never complained about my life, you are \"assuming\", still, that I belong to one of two groups, either \"minority\" or \"poor white trash\".\" Come on man... at least read it the way it\'s typed.. but then you wouldn\'t be able to attack me would you? Look, I\'m done with this sillyness.. If you were actually reading what I typed and not making wild accusations based on what you THINK about me because of my stance on an idea or two then maybe this would have been a more productive conversation.. Oh well..moving on. Have a nice day and good luck to you.

 

Thank you krazihare.. I\'ve been wondering how to do that for a while now... Now I know.

 

HAHAHA, Dude, you obviously have no idea what you\'re posting about...
No one Owned anyone, we were having a debate... see in an intelligent debate where two people discuss opposing sides, there is no wrong or right, there are two opinions.

Also, if you haven\'t actually read the origins of this conversation, then you don\"t really have any idea what\'s going on. So do yourself a favor, and look for the post that this one originated from.

But I don\"t imagine you\'ll bother... that\'s cool...


And yes, I\'m being condescending, just so there\'s no confusion.