Christianity is inherantly evil

I don't agree. The national - socialist doctrine for a large part, though they hid it not to alienate the people, considered Christianity, as stemming from Judaism 'Germanenfremd'. True Nazis looked towards the 'original' Arian pagan religions: Worshipping nature. Blut und Boden. Holy Oaks. Many Christians suffered in WWII where they saw the evil of Hitler from the humanity in Jesus' teachings. In Holland, it was the strictest Christians (Dutch Reformed) that provided hiding to most Jews. In fact, nearly 60% of the survivors surviving was due to Christian Samaratism.

 

people worshiping together with common beliefs under in an organized environment, nothing wrong with that. when it becomes wrong is when people interpret a faith to suit their own agenda.

 

Why are you guys arguing over what they say in the Old Testament. That's not what Christians follow, they follow the changes Christ put into play, such as "the Sabbath was made for man, not man for the sabbath" as in the sabbath doesn't matter. Christ also teaches that if someone offends you, to not retaliate but instead turn the other cheek.

Arguing over the Jewish peoples text isn't the best way to debate what Christianity preaches lol.

 

your right how could a tool that preaches - However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46
be considered evil . just because i didn't know anything about slavery and now my tool that was handed down to from the divine spirit has educated me on how to go about acquiring slaves and beat them could never be considered evil. nurture vs nature - it's insane to say that both don't play a roll on our lives. you can not say that a book that approves of slavery, rape, and lot's and lot's of murder is not a tool to transform people into commiting attrocities. lot's and lot's of people are raised to beleive the bible is the divine unchanngable word of god, and inspires unspeakable things that a person would have never done without this tool. the book say's to commit murder, genocide and many other deeds we condemn today.
people are evil enough from nature we don't need books showing them to do the same,nurture needs to be a violence free invironment for humanity to excel and show it's true beauty.

 

your right, but again it is not only religion that does this, i read somewhere that in most charity's, only around 10% of donations actually go towards the charity itself.

I'm still sticking with my beliefs, religion is only evil when evil people use it as a tool to further their agenda, religion in itself however, is inherently NOT evil.

 

I do not think that most religions are inherently evil, including Islam and Christianity. People always bring up that religions are responsible for most of the worlds wars, when they really had more to do with money, power and land. The core teachings of Islam and Christianity are pretty much the same, peace and love. Unfortunately people have twisted the words of Jesus and Muhammad in order to fit there twisted world view, and in most cases gain wealth, power or land. It is not religions fault, it is humanity's fault.

For instance, the palestinian/isreal conflict and the irish/british conflicts are usually portrayed as being religious ones. Religion may play a role in them, but in both cases the root causes of the conflicts has to do with land being taken.

 

Making some sense there dubaba!
I have so many refutations of some of the incorrect assumptions, not to mention an extremely deep knowledge of Roman Catholic doctrine, dogma, and history- both Vatican approved and much it doesn't approve of. I see threads like this and find it incredible that they can exist on a forum where any mention of any similar ideas backed up with incorrect anecdotes based on hearsay toward any type of other group would be rightly condemned along with it's proponents. Not that I think they realize they are being haters, which makes it more insidious in it's way. These people tend to think they are fighting hate and haters in the name of tollerance and wisdom and peace and utopia... This is the start of the "True Believer", the necessary tool of a mass movement, capable of turning normal everyday people into inhumane killers, the type of scenario they blame on an institution, and by transference, on it's devotees. The situations that lead to atrocities from the massacres from before biblical times (the first 5 books of the Old Testament were written in the period after the Exodus- look it up) to modern Africa.
World History is rife with evil deeds done in the name of all sorts of things, including christianity. Religion is well suited due to it's implications of right and wrong and devine authority, to be used to manipulate outright, or reinforce authority of a more political nature, but is not necessary by any means. It still requires a Person(s) to take what they need to create the collective mindset.

 

So wait.... Let me get this right and sum it up in my own words. You take the shit literally when its convienient and disregard it if its not? Sounds like some christian BS.

So this is your response when your religion is called into question?
Way to waste some perfectly good pixels.

OP is "christianity is evil" not religion. DO NOT KILL? You got to be shitting me. Really man? Ever hear of the Crusades? 200 year war waged by the christians. What a crock of SHIT.

Since you seem to be the only one who has stood up on the side of christianty, please respond DIRECTLY to this post below please.

 

Dont forget Westboro Baptist church OP

 

interesting to see people wasting so much energy explaining that man is evil, but not religion (which was created by evil man!). you are spending this time on the internet, but you really ought to be spending it trying to stop evil people from giving your religion a bad name... i know christians believe that, because that's what they tell "normal" muslims they should do.

 

Luke 14:26 Jesus says: "If any man come unto me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brother, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he can not be my disciple."

- Peaceful Jesus requires you to hate your family in order to be a disciple, interesting.


Mark 3:28-29 Jesus says: "I tell you the truth, all the sins and blasphemies of men will be forgiven them. But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of an eternal sin."

- Peaceful Jesus eternally damns the blasphemer, interesting.


Matthew 13:41-42 Jesus says: "The Son of Man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity. And shall cast them into a furnace of fire; there shall be a wailing and gnashing of teeth."

- Peaceful Jesus incinerates people who offend him, interesting

 

But Christianity was created by the church so how can they bey seperate? IMO Christianity (all relgions for that matter) is just used to control people.

 

Vaderhaze,
You are guilty of having a vague idea something happened, but you have no idea what or when or why or how or who. Saying christianity is false is irrelevant and is not the charge being made, but whatever... I really agree with much of what is being said, but there is too much falsehood, and poor logic for me to begin to agree with the premise. Not to mention the open intolerance and bigotry directed at one group who it seems has become one of the last acceptable objects of wholesale ridicule and hatred along with fat people and republicans. (in the US, at least...)

I don't think anyone can disagree with this statement, "A tool is an inanimate object that can do nothing without A PERSON to use it, either properly or improperly. People make tools, and use them for good or evil, but the evil lies in the user, not the tool."

History can be said to be the record of man's behavior (to include tool making) over time.

You seem to reference Emperor Constantine and the First Council of Nicea in your second statement. Besides being an argument in favor of my position (it's people who use religion to do evil deeds, not religion compelling the evil), this happened around 325CE- in the 4th century, after 300 years of christian existence! This is where the decision was made BY MEN, in an attempt to create uniformity of doctrine, just what would and would not be included (books and translations) in the bible, dates for holidays and such stuff. This is Man taking something and bending it to his own use, taking what exists and bending it to his will. Some of the quotes people have taken from the bible are taken out of context due to translation from the original Greek and Aramaic texts. This will inevitably mess with context and meaning. Translated books are always missing something from the original.

This forum is not suited to providing your education in the history of christianity. There simply is not enough space, nor do I think ATTENTION SPAN, and DESIRE TO LEARN levels are high enough. I sense this is just another opportunity for haters to bash something they've been told is bad, or had a bad experience with, but know very little truth about.

This is what drew me into this thread in the first place. My concern here is not about christianity itself, but in the falsehoods being repeated that contribute to a growing climate of hate towards people who are different, and to see a concept that has done so much good in the world being senselessly bashed. The Christian Childrens Fund recently had to change it's name to remove the reference to christianity, in order to ensure they will be allowed to provide help to children. Do you realize the absurdity of this?!? To not be allowed to help innocents who suffer because people hate your religion? This type of thing is the seed that breeds armies of "true believers" who are capable of inflicting great evil and suffering on innocent people who are guilty only of being in the "them" group.

I will not put forth the effort to educate you, since there is accurate history easily found. I will encourage you to learn about what obviously harshes your mellow.

To obtain accurate information, you should pick reputable sources,or even wiki, not conspiracy wacko websites and forums. You should stay away from anything presenting opinion or analysis and stick to historical fact- if you have the ability to tell the difference.

THAT can be extremely hard to do these days, as there are so many competing agendas, and people willing to manipulate information to promote them. Seems like some wish us to kill each other off. I do believe the pendulum is swinging toward even more widespread violence and suffering, and we may even see some severe societal breakdown in more of the relatively stable countries we live in, and sooner rather than later.

And remember, all of the accusations being made against christianity can be made against nearly any type of human organization that has ever existed, not just religious. Maybe even yourself. Be consistent in the standards you apply to others and yourself. Also, remember every human is flawed somehow, it's the human condition. This is one of the reasons religion developed along with man, and a problem well suited to the introspection that is part of all religious experience.

I happen to be agnostic, but rather than being wishy-washy, It is only the nature of the creative force I hold to be unknowable, as this would be something outside of the boundaries of the created- space and time and matter- and by definition something beyond human comprehension. I am no christian apologist. I am as I previously said, a former alter boy, seminary prospect, and recovering catholic. I bear no animosity towards catholicism, though. I strive for knowledge, reason, and compassion in my life, as I am sure , you do also. In this spirit , I think we should find that we are all together having this experience of life and should recognize ourselves in our fellows. To live is to experience suffering, it is right and good to seek and strive so that all may find the stable point apart from our personal fears and desires where we can actually find peace and harmony. I believe this is the whole point to religion in general.

Once again, to paraphrase Jesus - The greatest commandment is to love Life and love everyone else. All the rest follows from that.

I doubt many had the desire to read what I wrote all the way through, especially since it seems to disagree so forcefully with the CW in this thread, but it's important enough to me now that I feel the effort was not completely wasted.

 

inanimate? i think hundred's of thousand's of christian's would disagree with you and that's the problem, the brainwashing leads children into believing the bible is the LIVING word of god and continue to carry that ignorance into adulthood where they spew their christian nonsense into politics and every other part of life where it does not belong.relying on fairy tales to run a nation is scary in today's volatile world. we are backing up christian nations, and for that they are running planes into our buildings.we don't defend half the nation's that really need our help, but when it comes to poor (RICH)
isreal oh shit we can't wait to send plane's and ammunition and plenty of other equipment.

 

Actually technically the church was created by Christianity....

 

We have essentially the Same views

 

just to prove a point here, let's say someone who shares your views that " as long as religion exists you are not safe" decides to take it to the next level, and decides that for the greater good of mankind all religion must be eradicated, so he starts firebombing churches and mosques, killing religious figures. or even worse say this person lands in a position of power, starts persecuting religious people, killing them, hell starting another holocaust.

Religion has absolutely nothing to do with the problem, its people taking their own views to extremes, key word there is PEOPLE. If religion isn't there motivation, something else would be.

 

This is a description of non-rational behavior, which is a product of irrationality, just like religion. The Holocaust was not a product of a society that put too much of a value in logic and reason. North Korea is not a utopia of science and secular humanism. Why is it that whenever you check for religiosity and non-religiosity against things like education, poverty, concern for the sick, infant mortality, crime, the places where religion is and has been rampant, are the places where we have the most of society's ills of this sort, and the places where there is the least religion, we have the best education, lowest crime, highest rate of charity donation, and so on. If you're shocked by this statistic, just look it up anywhere, this is constantly supported by decades of research.

If humans are so evil by nature, when we look at religious statistics in prison populations, we would find relative figures of religious and non-religious inmates. But. they are disproportionately religious. Now, in case anyone here is a little dense, this can't be responded by something like "Well, most people are religious, of course most people in prison will be religious too!". I'm talking about a relative measure. So if humans are inherently evil, and there's a population of 100 christians and 10 atheists in imaginary country X, and the prison has 10 christians, the prison should atleast have 1 atheist. This would be relatively equivalent. Yet, this is not reality.