Chris Matthews Admits Marxist Perspective

I had no doubts.

 

You're a tool if you think Republicans are that different from Democrats. They both support big goverment, big welfare, big military, and social engineering.

When was the last time you heard a Republican call for free market initiatives like legalizing drugs, abolishing minimum wage, abolishing farm subsidies, opening up the borders to more immigration, reducing tarriffs, easing broadcast censorship rules, spending only within the limits of government revenue, reducing corporate income taxes, abolishing the income tax, or ending the Cuba embargo?
Some of these socialist policies are even more popular with Republicans than with Democrats.

There are surely more, but I've made my point Republicans generally agree with Democrats on economic policy. Democrats may be slightly more socialist than Republicans, but over all, both parties are equally favorable to restricting individual liberty.

 

I would be careful what you say about Marx.. Dangerous times we live in Max McCarthy..

Chairman Obama will have you sent to Alaska...

 

To say that capitalism is an effective and successful system of economics is to say that you think the world is an OK place where everything would be fine as long as people stop being lazy.
I invite anyone who deeply believes in capitalism (as currently practiced by the world's transnational corporations) to take a look at the sheer amount of suffering in the world then attempt to trace any given example back to its source. Once you look deep enough into the causes of the suffering (for example the state of the food industry in the US) you almost always find the same culprit, greed...as expressed by corporate policy in the absence of regulation...
Think about it this way: Prohibition prices of good quality seedless marijuana in the US range anywhere from 200-450 dollars per oz. The actual physical cost of producing and transporting cannabis has been estimated to be similar to the cost of producing and transporting tea in the same quantities. I'm not sure what the cost of bulk tea per oz. is, but I'm also pretty dang sure that its nowhere near 200-450 dollars/oz.! The extra cost comes from the prohibition, and therefore unregulated nature of, the market.
Proponents of real Laissez Faire style capitalism seek to remove as much regulation from the marketplace as possible claiming that the market is a self-regulating entity that runs on the principle of supply and demand.
So we see that an unregulated market runs the risk of being usurped entirely by people and organizations that seek to "corner" markets by becoming exclusive suppliers of specific goods or services or at least becoming really good friends with the other suppliers in the market (thats what a cartel is btw).
So you can see that even capitalists will have to admit that cooperation with their competitors is smarter than trying to out do them. The large transnationals have accepted the neccessity of cooperation among themselves, however they cooperate only to extract the maximum amount of profit from the consumer masses.
When you practice modern finance capitalism you reduce the world to numbers, it completely makes life not worth living. Whats the point in life if its nothing but keeping track of imaginary abstractions that have very little real bearing on the real world at large.

The capitalist's goal is to attain the maximum amount of wealth possible no matter what the social cost will be. We are living in the first years of period in which the long term consequences of our terrible, capitalistic, choices are becoming manifest. Dont believe me? Consult the data for yourself then! My interpretation is but one of many!

 

Is there more or less poverty issues in the world today due to free market capitalism?

India, China, Indonesia... we could go on and on. The single greatest engine for lifting people out of poverty in the 20th century has been capitalism.

 

Ah yes, but the sword cuts both ways. For every person "lifted" out of poverty I would wager that there is a far larger number of people being held down. You ever wonder where all that tea I mentioned comes from? A lot of it is farmed in africa by farmers forced to sell it for under the cost of production to certain companies because of an agreement their country has with the world bank.
You see, if the world bank offers your country a loan to improve its infrastructure, then they are gonna come calling for something in return. Often that "something" turns out to be a form of indentured servitude by that nation to the nations that control the world bank, IE the "capitalist west"
As for your citation of those nations you mention, I dont quite understand your point. Those three countries have vastly different govts and policies.

 

I also just want to state the the following statement is true:

Marxism IS NOT THE SAME THING AS Maoism or Stalinism.

Though China and at one time Russia called themselves communist and marxist they were not. They never moved beyond the stage that Marx descirbed as the "dictatorship of the proletariat." That stage is supposed to lead into a stage wherein true communism/socialism could be practiced because the transition from imperialism to socialism has been completed. Stalin or Mao never bothered to bring this "transitional" period to a conclusion in their own self-interest. Stalin and Mao are vile usurpers that perverted and warped the ideals of marxism and communism beyond repair. Therefore I don't take offense when people misunderstand the essential premises and promises of communism.
By the way, if the term "dictatorship of the proletariat" makes you uncomfortable, dont be. It doesn't mean that there has to be an ACTUAL dictator like stalin or Mao. It just means that private business interests can have no part in the govt. No matter what the supreme court ruled in the US regarding the 14th amendment, corporations ARE NOT REAL PEOPLE and should not get ANY say whatsoever in how our lives are run. Only individual humans should have rights not heartless, souless, imaginary entities like corporations.
Dont believe me that they are souless and heartless? Look at the tobacco industry's behavior up until the mid to late nineties, or at Monsanto corp's treatment of farmers who want to keep their own soybeans for planting next year. Look at the evidence then make your assessment.

 

Guys! I know it's failed every time we tried it before! But this time, THIS TIME, it's really going to work!

 

I'm so glad we have the courage to undertake SERIOUS political discussion here...
I never seem to learn my lesson on this one true fact about internet message boards: That despite the fact that message boards are created specifically for information EXCHANGE, the people that use them refuse to consider anything that is even slightly different their own point of view.
I should really stop getting lured into attempting to discuss complicated topics with people who are completely unwilling to do ANY actual research so that they can come up with an response of any actual content. I guess this is a hangover moment, I shake my head, moan, and say "never again" knowing full well that I am bound to repeat my mistake...

 

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, whatsoever, nor do you have any idea what he meant by that statement.

 

It's not that I'm uninterested in serious discussion, it's just that the "If we just tried TRUE communism!" and "Communism is so wonderful!" phases are just that, phases, and once you mature a bit you'll grow beyond them.

In terms of political thought, it's about the same as the "girls are yucky" phase of 5 year olds. And just as there is no convincing a 5 year old that "girls are not yucky" there is no convincing the young, ignorant and inexperienced that the glories of communism aren't really all that great.

The worst part about Marx's writings is that they are a tremendous bore, and the second worst part is that only bored bourgeois who have the standardly weak bourgeois education are ignorant enough to find his work remotely interesting. Usually because they have never before engaged in serious work, intellectual pursuits, or labor.

Fortunatly, most proponents of Marxism have never actually read Marx. Let me know when you suffer through Das Kapital and Manifesto.

I'm not trying to be rude, but the problem isn't that I haven't read Marx, rather, the problem is that I have.

History has proven you, and Marx, wrong. Get over it and move on.

 

Sir Elliot and maxrule are some of the worst posters i've ever seen masquerade on a "politics" forum, anywhere, EVER.

 

z0mg somebody resurrect McCarthy.

 

you've proven sucessfully that Chris Matthews is a dumbass... which is highly evident to anyone who has been paying attention.


also,...When's Dronetek at? I feel his spirit is alive in this topic... I miss his postings about anti-white racism and Chris Matthews.

 

i didn't even watch the video when i posted, but after watching that video i'm truly stunned.

maxrule has NO IDEA WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT. HE HAS NO IDEA WHAT MARXISM IS OR THE CONTEXT OF WHICH MATTHEWS USED IT.

it was a 16 second long clip, that anyone with a minimal knowledge of history or politics would interpret correctly. when i say minimal, i mean like honors level high school classes. HE WAS USING IT IN AN ACADEMIC SENSE.

he was referring to the ideas of how the poor proletariat act as a group towards the government/system/whatever it may be. i've never even read any of Marx's works, but that interpretation is EXTREMELY obvious.

you're paranoid and apparently uneducated/very unread

 

maxrule, please explain to me how chris matthews "admitted" he was a marxist in the context youre using it?