Can anyone tell what these bugs are?

Discussion in 'Sick Plants and Problems' started by Growdo Baggins, Jan 19, 2023.

  1. I found it on a seedling that just broke ground 4 days ago. I used a popular bagged soil brand and found some funny white balls that the company said were fungi. So i used the soil and now for the first time I've found bugs in my plants. There's something that looks like webbing but I think it's slug goo. I found what looks like 2 different bugs. One on top of leaf and one on bottom. Here's what they look like under a microscope. Screenshot_20230118_191156_Video Player.jpg

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    I thought maybe a springtail
     
  2. hi dude lets see what they say about it over here hahah
     
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  3. Ya know, haha. I really appreciate the help on riu. I've heard 5 or 6 different suggestions at this point. I think it seems most like the springtail. And with the mold it makes sense too.
     
  4. hey no hard feelings my man i am not sure about it either i told you count the number of legs and number of segments and compare with the pics online. i cant count because pics are blurry but you probably see it better on your microscope. also springtails jump when you touch them get a needle or something and give them a little poke if they jump springtails for sure :)
     
  5. I think maybe thrips? idk because I don't see the plant, and the damage on the leaves.
    It does look like webbing, which suggest mites or some kind of caterpillar.
    If its thrips, where you look under a magnifying glass, or if you have good eyes, just press your thumb near them and they will run (fast).
    Hard to treat because they burrow into the flesh of the plant and lay their eggs inside, so topicals are more difficult to get them.

    End of the day, who cares what it is, just spray your plants down. I use Safer's Endall, which is a potassium salt of fatty acids (ie. insecticidal soap) and some pyrethrin. I add a tsp of Neem oil to a L mix and spray usually near lights out. Spray above and below the leaves until saturated dripping off the plant. Repeat this procedure in 7 days.
     
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  6. How about a not so zoomed in photo and one that is focused
     
  7. oh because springtails are an important part of soil life and when you go nuclear on beneficial bugs you are hurting your soil fauna. thats why if you dont need to why would you kill every living thing in your soil? so its good to identify before going scorched earth i think.
     
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    It might be....
    Ok enough fun. Springtails are soil dwellers and unlikely your trouble. The web suggests Mites.
    Safer sells a Neem oil extract that is a wide spectrum agent.
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    Should kill most anything and stay organic. It was what I used when white flies infested the veg shed a couple years ago.
    BNW
     
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  9. you spray leaves, not soil.
     
  10. yeah what he is showing you there is a seedling so there is not much chance of spraying only the leaves and azadiracthin is still a pesticide and smoking it causes problems for some people in the long run. organic or not its a pesticide so identification is important to avoid unnecessary pesticides.
     
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  11. not to discourage anyone, but if he has pests at day four, maybe its best that he consider the source of the problem which is generally the soil. If op is concerned about spraying the soil, than they can cover the area with a piece of paper during the spray.

    My wife is allergic to neem, so I warn her if I spray and keep it away from her, so yes, it can be hazardous to some people, and it's good to bring that up. I tend to spray veg plants twice during veg if they need it, and not during flower. I don't imagine much neem would remain on a plant two to three months down the road. I did mention Safer's Endall, which does contain a small amount of pyrethrin, but that dissipates in less than a week. The thing with Safer's is that it contains the soap. The soap covers the leaves and the pests don't like it. Its also made of potassium, so not much harm there. No neem required, it's an option. But near the end of the veg cycle, I'll spray my plants down with some water, and the soap dissolves the neem, which is washed away.

    I should also mention that I sometimes use mosquito bits which contain Bacillus thuringiensis israelis to help kill larva. This requires that a drench be done; this will probably affect the soil's microcosm.

    Once a grow is done, I make sure to bleach the room and tents. I then use a UV lamp to sterilize the grow area and some tools.

    You know, advice is just that, advice. It's good that you bring up your points, but that's my regime.
     
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  12. Thanks man. I have some Safers, it's not called end-all. It's just bothering me that I'm already having problems at day 4. I'll be stressing about bugs the whole grow if I try to salvage them. I only do this as a hobby and to have stuff to smoke. It won't be a great hobby if it just stresses me out for 3-4 months. I'll be wanting to be out there for hours every evening scanning the plants. And i don't have time for that. I very much appreciate your advice.
     
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  13. i understand advice is just advice i just wanted to bring up these concerns because pesticides are always too good to be true they are marketed as cure for all harmless stuff but there are things people and companies overlook sometimes.

    azadirachtin is systemic and there are no studies done about it on cannabis afaik so i dont know how long it lingers in plant tissue.

    pyrethrin also kills sprintails, hypoaspis and other beneficial guys because its a broad spectrum contact killer. so i always try to identify before doing anything.

    thats just my approach because to me pesticides are pesticides and they are the last resort but i appreciate you reading my posts with an open mind and not taking it personally. i really have no time to have online fights haha
     
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  14. Athena IPM is great at taking out thrips, sprayed as a foliar. One pic looks like a thrip, the other, not sure. The webs are a bad sign too. This may sound a bit extreme, but if it was me and I didn't want to reboot, here is what I would do:
    1. Mix a batch of Athena IPM around 80-100 ml/gallon.
    2. Very gently pull the babies out of the media if they are still small enough to just pull out. If not, rinse the media off the plant with nutrient solution. Don't use distilled, the drastic EC change can cause problems, especially for a tiny plant.
    3. Dunk the baby in the IPM solution, upside down, up to the roots. DONT dunk the roots.
    4. Replant in to new media, definitely not the bug infested old stuff..
     
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  15. See if you can get a better picture of it, even if you have to take the plant somewhere else for better light. Zoomed out picture is just way too blurry, the zoomed in one is too close and a little blurry.
     
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  16. The problem I tend to have with thrips is that they lay their eggs inside the plant tissue, so one spray or dunk usually won't be enough to eradicate them all.

    Also, Athena IPM is kind of expensive for what is primarily water mixed with several essential oils. If you look around the city you should be able to find homemade IPM recipes with similar ingredients and effects.
     
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  17. Well, I prefer products that have been tested and used on tens and tens of thousands of plants at Jungle Boys over homemade recipes, but to each his own.
    2-3x a week spray has knocked out thrips for me quite a few times. Good luck.
     

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