California wrestles with effects of making marijuana a taxable mega-business

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  1. California wrestles with effects of making marijuana a taxable mega-business


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    Marijuana buds, including their cost and degree of potency, are shown in a medical marijuana dispensary in Oakland, California June 30, 2010.


    SAN FRANCISCO - Jeff Wilcox, a middle-aged, clean-cut man who dresses in the Bay Area casual business attire of clean jeans, collared shirt and running shoes, may be the face of Marijuana, Inc., the corporatization of cannabis.
    He has just persuaded Oakland to legalize industrial-sized marijuana farms, touting a study that promised millions in city taxes and hundreds of high-paying union jobs.

    The long-struggling city, which has failed spectacularly to capitalize on the high-tech boom, could be the Silicon Valley of pot, Wilcox told the city council this week before its historic vote to grant four permits for urban, industrial-size marijuana farms.

    But as Wilcox points out, his business model - a nonprofit - will be less Google or Apple and more Trader Joe's, a California cut-rate gourmet grocery chain. The store's best-known product is $2-a-bottle Charles Shaw wine, known affectionately as Two Buck Chuck and considered a great glass of wine for the price.

    "The new Two Buck Chuck will be $40 an ounce pot," Wilcox said in an interview, looking forward to a day of full legalization. Boutique growers could produce the high-end stuff in their "gardens," he explained, while he supplied the masses with a clean, controlled, great-value product.

    If California legalizes marijuana, the rest of the nation may well follow. One way or the other, cut-rate, highly potent California weed is unlikely to stop at the state's borders.

    The U.S. state that first allowed sales of medicinal marijuana, in 1996, may take away all restrictions on adult use of the drug in a November vote, giving local governments the option to regulate sales and growing of marijuana.

    The magnitude of the experiment is difficult to fathom - the world's eighth-largest economy will tear down barriers to the most-used illegal drug in the United States. The state that invented car culture will have open freeways to take the bounty to the rest of the nation, where higher prices - and the risk of handcuffs - beckon.

    Even the cops who most hate it see legal California marijuana as a different breed of drug - and a game-changer for the country. "The stuff we are getting in California is fricking leading the world," said Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department senior narcotics detective Glenn Walsh. "We already send marijuana all over the States, presumably all over the world."

    A drug of hippies and cartels, marijuana has become a cultural touchstone. To advocates, it symbolizes counterculture freedom and alternative medicine; to detractors, it is a drug that saps the resolve of hardworking Americans, draws children down a path to other more dangerous drugs and enriches ruthless Mexican cartels.

    Economists see a different picture - a multibillion-dollar market about to be unfettered with little sense of how consumers will react. Two rules they expect to apply: Competition will lower prices and expand the market; businesses will look for ways to get ahead of the pack.

    One recent study predicted California marijuana would underprice high-quality Mexican imports in virtually every city in the U.S., even including the costs of smuggling and state taxes.

    The reaction of drug cartels behind vast imports into the United States is anybody's guess, from abandoning the field to doubling down in a legal market where they can plow profits into political campaigns for legitimate allies.

    But fear of the effects of legal California 'bud' already has made its way to the streets of Tijuana, the Mexican sister city to San Diego and a major gateway of drugs into the U.S.

    "We're screwed," said Juan V., a street dealer in the grimy border city of around two million people. "They are going to want us to lower prices," he said. "We'll just have to sell more here."

    IT'S THE ECONOMY

    California's climate is perfect for growing almost anything, but the best marijuana 'grow' is a private world completely divorced from nature that produces a drug with 10 or 15 times the punch as your hippie grandparents' weed.

    Mexican drug cartels grow good-quality product in California national and state parks, which are the target of frequent police raids and less frequent arrests. Well-heeled consumers buy marijuana "medicine" grown indoors in an environment often devoid of dirt, sun or bugs. In about 10 weeks, a cutting from a mother plant can be grown into a bush of buds, harvested, and sealed in a turkey-basting bag, known for its ability to contain the pungent smell of pot.

    Big medical-marijuana dispensaries offer dozens of types of marijuana, with a spectrum of colours from deep purple to tangerine orange and different tastes to boot. Years and decades of breeding marijuana has produced superior pot, growers say, and once they get a strain right, they stick with it, making cuttings of the perfect bush and then teasing them to the brink of horticultural bliss.

    "What you are dealing with is frustrated sex for plants," says Wilcox, explaining how the goal is to grow female plants to the point they are yearning for fertilization, producing a sticky substance full of mind-bending chemical THC.

    The process typically begins in a musky-smelling basement dripping with tropical heat from high-powered grow lights, which have contributed greatly to fires in Oakland, city officials say. Clippings from the perfect mother plant, known as clones, are brushed in rooting compound. They are then set in a pot of rock wool in a tub that is regularly flooded with nutrient-enriched water.

    Some growers pursue a Sea of Green strategy, raising an ocean of small plants, while others try to produce a few monsters. Farmers also may aim for a continuous harvest, putting plants of different maturity in different rooms or locations so that every week or so they can harvest a crop. Young pot plants start off with two weeks under grow lights shining 18 to 24 hours a day, helping the plants vegetate. When it's time to start flowering, lights are turned to 12-hour cycles for six weeks.

    When the flowers are at peak maturity and look snowy, the plants are cut down. Leaves are stripped and turned into hash. Buds are dried and then put in mason jars and 'burped' - given occasional breaths of fresh air - in a regime that cures the pot, turning it sticky and stinky. Then it is put in the turkey-basting bag and brought to a dispensary for sale.

    The costs are minimal, falling as low as 20 cents in electricity and plant supplies for established growers whose pot would retail for as much as $20 a gram, a Los Angeles-area law-enforcement source estimated. That would take the cost of producing a pound of weed to under $100. The Rand Corporation puts the price a few times that, still offering plenty of room to drastically cut retail prices.

    Wilcox's plan includes a seven-acre site with a 100,000-square-foot growing space, a bakery, a testing lab, job training and growing equipment production at the site - which would need to win one of the four Oakland permits to go into business. If it did, it would produce 58 pounds of cannabis a day at wholesale prices of $2,500 to $3,000 per pound and send the city more than $2 million per year in taxes if a three-per-cent growers' tax were initiated.

    But Oakland could complicate his math. The city is considering an eight-per-cent tax on cannabis farms, more than double the top rate in Wilcox's economic analysis.

    MARKET FORCES

    The drive to legalize marijuana is based in the hardscrabble reality of California finances, and voters want to get paid. The invisible hand of the market also may act more like a fist on the price of marijuana. Once the Golden State, California is now the poster child for political dysfunction, tied for the lowest credit rating among the 50 states.

    The prospect of a sin tax on a culturally acceptable drug has been gaining advocates for years. A bill in the state legislature would legalize pot, charge $50 an ounce tax and, according to state accountants, bring in $1.4 billion per year.

    A more likely path to legalization, though, is Proposition 19, the brainchild of the Tax Cannabis movement, which would let local governments decide whether and how to regulate sales and cultivation of marijuana and would let anyone in the state 21 years or older use it.

    A just-released study by the independent state Legislative Analyst's Office says that Proposition 19 could raise hundreds of millions of dollars over time.

    California may be overly optimistic, according to a new Rand Corporation study. By the time taxes are high enough to produce the billions that California wants, they will have created a thriving black market. "So now you have the dual evils, lower prices and still a black market to deal with," researcher Rosalie Liccardo Pacula said, referring to the $50-an-ounce charge.

    If marijuana were legalized, Rand projects the price of high-quality marijuana to fall to as little as a tenth of current levels and says that usage could more than double as consumers respond to cheaper prices. A single joint, which at today's potency is enough to get a single person high a couple of times, would cost $1.50, even taxed at $50 per ounce.

    More than half of that cost would be the tax, though, and as the novelty of legalized pot wore off, consumers who at first found a $1.50 joint a rock-bottom deal, might start to see it as a rip-off. The same joint could be had, untaxed, for half price on a street corner. "As time goes on, the black-market prices will look more appealing," said Pacula.

    But there is one way, Rand found, for California to boost tax revenue substantially: exports. "California could actually make a lot of money from taxing marijuana and then exporting it to other states," said study author Beau Kilmer.

    Using publicly available prices of marijuana throughout the U.S., researchers imputed the costs of smuggling and calculated that high-quality California marijuana, even at taxed prices, could undercut current prices of comparable pot in 42 of 48 continental U.S. states, even with the $50-per-ounce tax that Pacula calculates would create a black market. Six times as many marijuana users are outside California as in the state, Rand quoted federal studies as showing.

    One industry source, who is still involved in illicit drug circles and requested to remain anonymous, said he recalls prices falling in Los Angeles as medical marijuana dispensaries exploded there. Early on in his career, high-quality marijuana went for $6,000 to $7,000 a pound. "Now you are getting $3,500. What's going to happen when you legalize? You are going to take it a couple of states (east)," he said. Growers and vendors with expensive taste would not be able to continue to lead the high life at legal prices, he said.

    Also, not everyone buys the theory that California will become a rogue drug state that can undermine national efforts to put a lid on marijuana. The free market is pitting different cities eager for marijuana revenues against one another, and small growers at the Oakland council meeting threatened to leave the city if taxes were too high.

    U.S. drug czar Gil Kerlikowske, director of the Office of National Drug Control Policy, in an interview cast cold water on California export potential. "I quite frankly don't see that," he said. "I just don't see it as being something that suddenly people in Kentucky say, 'Ah, now marijuana can be shipped in from California."'

    MEXICANS AND MORALITY

    The response of Mexican cartels could be the most significant issue for California, which hopes to drive illegal drug operators out of business. The drug industry source from Los Angeles sees organized crime throughout the marijuana trade in southern California. They grow in the mountains, but they also search the cities for independents. "Once they find out who you are, they will tax you," said the source, miming putting a gun to a head. He was skeptical that legalization would change the industry.

    If done poorly, legalization may simply invite them to put down roots, say law enforcement personnel, who fear the Mexican mafia will take the hit to profits, go legitimate and start supporting political candidates who back their causes.

    "The cartels already have the supply lines. They already have the business, they already have the product. The only thing you are going to do is give the cartels a legal drug to sell," said L.A. Sheriff's Department's Walsh.

    Despite the money at play, Californians may decide the issue on the basis of morals, just like many of the creators of the Tax Cannabis movement.

    "My big thing is ending prohibition, getting people out of prison who shouldn't be there, stop the violence, get better police protection, return respect for laws and law enforcement," said Richard Lee, the founder of Oaksterdam University in Oakland, a school which teaches marijuana growing.

    He funded the signature drive that put Prop 19 on the ballot, which he says cost him his status as a millionaire. Civil rights, he said, was the name of the game. "That's what I got into this for. It isn't to protect the small grower, protect the big grower, make jobs here.

    Those are all ancillary things and I think the free market will take care of itself and the culture and different local jurisdictions will decide how they want to handle those issues."

    Recently the California chapter of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People came out in support of marijuana legalization. "This is not a drugs rights issue, this is a civil rights issue. It is time for them to stop using my community to populate the prison system on such minor offenses such as having a joint," said Alice Huffman, the NAACP California president.

    Legal marijuana may not solve many of the problems associated now with the drug, but some proponents have an answer - legalize harder drugs as well. NAACP and a group of cops who favor legalization, called Law Enforcement Against Prohibition, agree this is the first step. Legalizing heroin and cocaine is a much harder sell, but there is an answer to that too - start with legalization for medical reasons - just like marijuana did.

    "This is the beginning, the tip of the iceberg on drug reform. I think like some countries where heroin is treated more medically than criminally, we have to look at that. I think we have to try and get all of the underground black market drug stuff out of the way so that law enforcement can focus on the real issues," Huffman said.

    HELLO, AMSTERDAM

    Two different paths for legalization have already been sketched out in Northern and Southern California with medical marijuana.
    Oakland has limited itself to four dispensaries of medical marijuana to control its habit.

    Oaksterdam University appears to have helped turn around downtown. A doctor's referral service recently opened across the street from the school and a nearby coffee shop is modeled after Amsterdam - a cramped cannabis bar in back of a shop that sells brownies and coffee in front. Nearby businesses are pleased with their neighbor and wheelchair-bound Richard Lee is treated as a hero when he rolls around the streets, stopping reluctantly to pose for pictures with passersby.

    The undisputed king of the medical marijuana dispensary industry is located at a nearby marina. Harborside Health Center has blond wood counters, dozens of types of marijuana, and an attentive staff that offers free acupuncture and massages to patients seeking its medicine.

    Los Angeles is a different story. Walsh estimates that detectives manage to shut down four or fewer dispensaries a month, a rate at which it will take years to winnow down the 600 to 1,000 sites to under 200, as the city council has ordered.
    Two recent dispensary murders highlight the danger.

    On Venice Beach, it's clear that medical marijuana has become a joke way to score some pot. A second-floor dispensary is just a man sitting in a small room with a computer and a security officer. Below, the Kush Doctor chain offers $150 marijuana evaluations to get the referral needed for legal medical marijuana.

    A young woman in a tiger-print bikini bottom and tight white T-shirt hawks medical 'referrals' to buy weed. "The doctor is in," she coos.




     
  2. I don't really like this idea of industrialized legalization at all.

    It is going to kill the quality of product and just push even more shit indica genetics out on the market because of the commercial turnover on growing masses of indica strains.

    Quality > Quantity.
     
  3. I will take legalization w/ industrialization over remaining the way we are now. I can grow my own if the compamies don't produce the kind of marijuana I want to smoke,the taxes are too high or just because I can.
     
  4. They will end up taxing the shit out of it and putting tons of restrictions on potency etc.


    Then it will be illegal to posses non commercially grown stuff.


    This kind of legalization gives way too much control to higher authorities.
     



  5. I doubt it, I think most of the customers will be people who have smoked for a pretty long time and generally prefer higher quality bud so the suppliers should tailor their supply to that, also everyone should be growing their own if this passes which means you should always have a friend you can buy from.
     

  6. Grow your own
    Grow your own
    Grow your own
    Grow your own
    Grow your own
    :hello:
     
  7. Like I mentioned in the previous post,

    There is no way they will let individuals privately grow this if its been legalized industrially.

    They will have 100% control over production and price..



    This add so much red tape and bullshit, and doesn't help out private growers at all, it fucks us over.
     
  8. Kind of like these plants that I already harvested, right...?
     

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  9. i could see that happening.
     
  10. You need to read the proposition,it does allow personal grows,what it does not provide for is growing enough to sell it for a living.
     
  11. Even if it is Illegal, just like homebrew and if I wanna grow some tobbacco plants in my yard, the feds have something better to do...

    Its when you mass produce, but ultimately MAKE MONEY is where they would come in and have a problem with it and shut you down. Seems Fair to me.

    I guess you would have to pay taxes if you wanted to actually make money and go into buisness. It only seems like 4 licences are being given out... hmm.

    I would Imagine they would sell seeds as well just like I can go buy diff Tobbacco strains in seed form.
     

  12. That is exactly my point.


    Right now... you can justify spending $1000 on a grow op setup.

    Your crop will end up breaking even.


    When an oz is $40, who the fuck is going to be able to afford to grow personal?

    If you can't make money off your personal grows that sucks...



    Part of the allure to growing Cannabis is that its a


    CASH CROP



    When its 40/oz, its no longer a cash crop and no longer worth growing privately...



    This proposition just takes all the power and control private growers have, and says 'Haha fuck you, we are in control now, no more profits, and LOWER potency INC'
     
  13. #13 oltex, Jul 24, 2010
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    That is 4 farms in Oakland,that is just for Oakland. Sacramento can have 8 or as many as they want and so can Weed. Each local government can decide on number of licenses and size of farms. READ these articles before taking it for granted we are being screwed.
    And READ Proposition 19 and any of several analyzed copies of it before making a statement such as"they won't let us grow our own" or "this just hurts the little grower".
    The only people legalization will hurt financially are the people that now depend on it to make a living illegally. When it comes down to keeping the dealers and illegal growers for profit,I chose ending the war on marijuana and the imprisonment of people for growing their OWN marijuana.
     


  14. dude, enforcing "non commerically" grown stuff would be so hard. They allow people to grow their own tobacco, brew their own beer?. I dont think you know what your talking about, you sound like a conspiracy nut.
     
  15. In a nutshell if 4 big companies are the only people producing cannabis that people consume, that is going to push all currently *privately* grown bud out of the market.


    When those private growers aren't making money... they aren't growing more dank bud...


    Then the only bud there is.. is shit commercial stuff...


    You don't get the best quality product for cheap.... The only way its efficient to max plants out *NOW* is to go BIG scale if you want the big dank nugs...


    Nobody is going to be able to afford to do that privately when shit is $40/oz man...
     
  16. Okay pal, how much does it cost you to make your own micro-brewery to make your own beer?


    ???

    How much does a 6 pack of beer cost?

    Is it worth operating your own micro-brewery? NO.



    How much does it cost to run a big enough grow op to get really good quality product on a scale with decent returns??


    More than you can sell for $40/oz in bud....


    I don't know how many other ways I can say this....




    There is a cannabis economy in place right now whether you realize it or not, it might be illegal and off the books, but this proposition is just going to fuck everything up....

    Supply/Demand/Equilibrium...


    And this stuff is NOT going to be dank bud, its going to be shit that is controlled by government standards.
     
  17. Hey warl0ck want an easy soultion if you dont wanna buy the 40/oz crap commerical stuff??

    Oh yeah, grow your own...People will still take pride in their homegrown, because theres nothing like smoking your own bud. Dude, marijuana is currently federally illegal, and your coming up with hypothetical situation of big marijuana companies "ruining" the plant....cmon.
     
  18. Not sure why everyone is worried about the potency of the weed. No where does it state they will be controlling how strong it is, however it mentions that if you want top shelf you'll go to boutique growers. Same thing with alchohol...
     
  19. #19 oltex, Jul 24, 2010
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    "In a nutshell if 4 big companies are the only people producing cannabis that people consume, that is going to push all currently *privately* grown bud out of the market."

    Please read and get someone to explain to uou that the 4 farms in Oakland and only for Oakland area. If you don't like any of the 4 strains those farms are raising,just drive to the next town and see how many farms and how good their smoke is.
    If every city in CA has 4 farms,how many different strains,levels of quality and price
    with each competing for customers?
    It would be a "best job ever" to be a pot critic,traveling all over Ca and sampling and critiquing all the different farms buds.
     
  20. Hey, if everything works out great, I would love to be wrong!! :hello:



    I am just skeptical of something like this because it leaves the door open for government control, and you know the US gov't will snatch up any kind of control they can have over this.
     

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