With Freedom of speech comes the Freedom to react. People need to understand that if they spew bigotry that there will be a reaction. The Alt-right/Nazis are a totally different ball game to the Baptist freaks. The Baptists might be spewing gobbledygook but they are harmless where as the fascists of the Alt-right are a real threat.
No, I despise the alt-right with every fibre of my being (I am an inscribed socialist, after all). But I don't see anyone here supporting alt-right views, or making apologizes for the violence they have committed (I may have missed it, though). You, on the other hand, have voiced your support for groups like ANTIFA, who used violence and intimidation (the very tactics that describe acts of terrorism) to attain political goals. And that's a big problem. Criticizing the far-left is not an endorsement of the far-right, or even the moderate-right.
We're going around in circles here buddy, I'll repeat myself one last time. Nazis and their supporters the Alt-right spew hatred and try to incite violence against various minority groups. Marching with a swastika and shouting anti semetic slogans is not free speech, it's an invitation to get beaten down which thankfully Antifa and other groups have done. It's just a shame that the majority of Americans haven't the balls or guts to stand up to the fascist scum that comprises the Alt-right.
The only one talking in circles here is you, I'm afraid. The point where I entered the conversation, Twisted (I believe) was talking about how ANTIFA's victims are rarely card-carrying fascists and how ANTIFA don't seem too bothered by making any distinction between Neo-Nazis and convention conservatives. And you responded with, "I disagree" (whatever the fuck that means). That was the centre of discussion. Not what you felt towards members of the Alt-Right. We're already aware of your juvenile attitudes concerning political violence.
Anyone who shares a platform or stands with Nazis is as culpable as the Nazis themselves. There are a lot of fanciful tales of Antifa attacking right wing journalists, etc... It's hard to decipher what is fact or fiction here as there is a propaganda campaign underway led by the Alt-right to try and divert attention away from their Nazi ways and paint Antifa as the problem rather than nazis and the Alt-right. Antifa is an umbrella for various far left and anarchist groups/individuals with no centralised organisation or leadership. Anyone can fly the flag and claim to be Antifa. If there were attacks on Conservatives who were not supporting the Alt-right or attending their nazifests then this should be condemned. I've no issue whatsoever with regular American conservatives, Republicans or genuine patriots.
Well, what you call "fanciful tales", others call incontrovertible evidence (mountains of video footage and eye-witness testimonies), but, hey, let's not split hairs here, right? And propaganda campaign? Good grief. The Alt-Right are a fringe political group comprised exclusively of impotent memers on the Internet--they have no reach in the media. And if you truly feel that way, then why did it take close to 60 pages of ANTIFA apologizing to finally say it?
it is regardless of how much you dislike it. You're contradicting yourself. A genuine patriot would understand both the far left and far right have the right to assemble and have a platform. Ya know, "I don't agree with what you have to say but you have the right to say it". Also, the "freedom to react" doesn't include violence or a "beat down".
I never said at any stage in this thread that I agree with attacking regular Conservatives/Republicans. That's a given. There are lots of fanciful tales floating about, very little proof that the attackers were in fact Antifa supporters or if they were in fact people pretending to be Antifa. The far right are up in arms about Antifa confronting them and are doing all they can to hide behind a blanket of free speech. Legitimate Antifa supporters in the US are at the moment concentrating on helping victims of the recent extreme weather events. Genuine Antifa supporters have no time for attacking innocents, they are only interested in going after fascists. Antifa are on the ground in Texas helping Hurricane Harvey relief efforts
A genuine American patriot wouldn't turn away when swatsika waving nazis march through their streets. America is a country for all races and creeds not just white Christians and any real patriot would understand and respect this.
A real patriot understands our origin and the constitution regardless of the hysteria caused by WWII. 1776 > 1945.
Then why the defensive attitude when someone brings it up? I provided evidence of ANTIFA attacking journalists and you responded with, "What about the KKK? What about the Alt-Right? Do they just get a pass?" Why this deflection? Oh, yes, I'm sure all of those swarms of people, caught on multiple cameras, or viewed my dozens and dozens of different people, located in a variety of different towns over the course of several different protests, all dressed in black, shouting popular ANTIFA slogans while attacking people in the streets are all probably just Alt-Righters infiltrating their ranks and providing them with bad publicity (despite there being no real outcry over these acts within ANTIFA). Are you insane? Where's the proof that they aren't members of ANTIFA? And where's this coming from--"legitimate ANTIFA supporters"? I thought ANTIFA was an umbrella term for a loose collection of "anarchist"/Communists without any formal structure or leadership. But now you're telling me you can spot the "legitimate" ones? Are they only legitimate when they are doing things you approve of, but when they act inappropriately they're "probably not even real ANTIFA"? This really is a religion for you.
I have yet to see any unbiased legitimate reports of Antifa in the US attacking anyone apart from Nazis and those that stand with them. I also never said or claimed I can spot who is legitimate or not. What I did state was that legitimate Antifa supporters should have no truck with attacking innocents. Let's stop being sensationalist and exaggerating. It's obvious you have a real bee in your bonnet regarding Antifa but there's no need to be getting so excited.
Real American patriots come in all different race and creeds, being a patriot is not confined to Conservative constitutionalists. There are just as many liberal patriots as there are conservative patriots. A real American patriot wouldn't piss on a Nazi or their ilk.
I'm not talking about modern conservatives or liberals. I'm talking about venerating the bill of rights. Race and creed are irrelevant.
That's not what a patriot is. A patriot is someone who loves their country and what it stands for. Patriotism is not confined to those who are fanatical about a scrap of 200+ year paper.
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