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  1. #1081 puffnstuff1960, Jul 9, 2014
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    Im currently doing a Horsetail fern, Comfrey FPE.  Do I store it as is or does it need to be deluted first.
    P.S Gonna store in quart jar should I poke holes in top.

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  3. Strain it. Store it. Dilute it when you use it. No holes in the top of the jar.
  4.  Thanks stevebomb  I did dilute 1/4 cup to a gallon think I read that somewhere anyhow.  
  5. It won't hurt anything, just not necessary.
  6. #1087 Anatman, Aug 16, 2014
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    Stinging nettles best utilized how?
    Mulching, adding to compost, FPE, or a short botanical brew?
    Your french link, coot, says to ferment nettles just for a few days to make the extract, rather than the month or so that I'm usually familiar with for fermenting brews.
  7. stevebomb
    When you want to learn about using comfrey it's best to head to gardening forums based in England. For aloe vera you want to hit the forums in Australia and when it comes to stinging nettles the best sources are from France.
    That's been my experience anyway - LOL!
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  8. #1089 Anatman, Aug 16, 2014
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    And if you want to learn about pointless pop-culture hit the American forums? Mr. Honey Boo-Boo expert :ey:
    That does make sense, though, that "Trucs d'artan" site makes it seem like France is doing a lot of research on nettle extracts to make some commercial products. I can only assume they'll come up with something as standardized as barley malt for brewing.
    Edit: now that I think about it, I lived with a French man once and when my friend and I went out and harvested some nettles to make a nettle tea (for human consumption), he scolded us for pulling up the roots, too. "Ugh, you are supposed to leave the roots so it will remain growing."
  9. #1090 over dere, Aug 16, 2014
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    There were products manufactured in France based on stinging nettles beginning in the mid-1920's - fertilizers, insecticides and fungicides. The heirs sold the company to Monsanto's European division about 10 years ago and Monsanto did what they do so many times with these purchases - they shut it down. Completely.
    That should tell you something about the efficiency of stinging nettles...
  10. So....It's super effective. Good thing I have loads and loads and loads of it all around me, planning on collecting seeds to plant or just to transplant them closer to my house (within walking distance, opposed to 5 miles away).
    3 days of soaking, and the brew's already getting that classic smell. That French site has 2 methods listed for utilizing nettles in a brew, one's only a couple days, and one lets it sit for 2-3 weeks; I'm going to do both.
    I just spent 3 hours weeding and mulching, and have a couple blooming plants (ghost chili, habañero, beans/peas, eggplants) growing in my ultisol that I want to give a little fertilizer boost, and that stinky bucket of sludge keeps calling me to use it...
  11. stevebomb
    Since you have a lot here's another way to use stinging nettles' roots. Take a piece of the tap-root and grate it like carrots. 
    Add 1 cup to 1 gallon of water and let that stew for a couple of days. Use 1 cup of this brew to 1 gallon of water for a very effective fungicide.
    Another recipe from France I picked-up a while back...
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  12. Those French make the best recipes! First toast, then fries, now tea? Good stuff! Lol


    Ua Mau Ke Ea O Ka Aina I Ka Pono
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  13. I thought we were supposed to call them Freedom Fries and Freedom Toast like Landslide Smirk asked Amurika to do after 9/11 to show our support for he & Dick 'Undisclosed Location' Cheney...
  14. i went to a small school in a small town in the south. (I graduated with a class of 80 people, 20 dropped out senior year). I remember until about 2004 they referred to fries as "Freedom Fries." Written on the lunch menu, board, and referenced verbally. Even us immature 13-year olds knew that was a joke.
    Whoa uguys, I'm huge into figuring out the feeding schedule for us as good as we do for our ladies, but if u wanna start eating millet and other fruit, vegetables, nuts, bran, seeds & beans to be healthy (and especially if you're fermenting them), you should definitely know about goitrogens and phytate (phytic acid), feel free to check out Terra Preta Spokane on FB, I've compiled a few things on there already if u wanna take a quick look at some stuff. Especially millet though, it's been directly associated with goiter
    \nBottom line - Warm water soak with rye flour and LAB (aka EM1, aka lactobacillus) breaks down phytate and neutralize phytic acid, and boiling destroys SOME goitrogens SOMETIMES
    \n- Philosoferstoner
  16. Would freezing a botanical tea extend shelf life or would it have negative effects? I'm wondering if the freezing would break down compounds that we are trying to maintain structural integrity with this style of teas.
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  17. I've noticed a renewed interest in using different plants as fertilizers and pesticides in our organic gardens so I thought I would re-post this article I got from a French gardening site several years ago.

    The information is not mine, but worthy of a share to the organic crew.

    Plants to the Rescue of Plants

    The basic method of fermentation is simple enough, which is not to say anything goes. First you need a container made of a nonreactive material. A 50-gallon plastic garbage can works fine. You need to cover your container during fermentation, but not tightly, or it might explode! Either punch some holes in your garbage can lid or cover the can with a piece of burlap or other cloth. While you can use smaller containers, 50 gallons is an optimal homeowner-scale size that is big enough to help moderate temperature extremes during fermentation.An unheated garage or outbuilding is a good place to conduct the fermentation, the speed of which is temperature dependent. The higher the temperature--up to a point--the faster the fermentation.

    The water you use is very important. The ideal source of water is rain, being free of calcareous minerals or additives such as chlorine which can retard or stop fermentation. If you must use hard well water, add a bit of vinegar to it to lower the pH. City water should be allowed to stand several days to allow the chlorine to evaporate before you use it for your extracts.

    The duration of fermentation can range from a few days to a couple of weeks. When the mixture stops bubbling when you stir or otherwise move the contents, fermentation is complete. Check your brew daily.

    It is imperative that you filter your extract. Doing so stops the fermentation from going too far, and also prevents globs of stuff from plugging up your sprayer or watering can when you apply the brew. Use a very fine strainer lined with cheesecloth, an old clean teeshirt, anything short of a coffee filter or other filter paper, which filters out too much.

    Store your extract in stainless steel or plastic containers in a cool place, around 40-50 degrees F being ideal. French folks like to use 5-gallon plastic wine containers, appropriately enough. While a wine cellar is also an excellent place to store your extracts, make sure to label carefully!

    Once you have your made your extract or infusion, you of course need to apply it. Most often, you spray it on, just as you would a conventional pesticide or foliar fertilizer, taking care to cover the undersides of leaves. But some remedies are applied as a soil drench. This is best accomplished with a good old-fashioned watering can.

    Okay, now that you know the basics, here is the roster of beneficial plants and how to use them.

    Wormwood (Artemisia absinthium) Perennial plant with silvery, aromatic foliage.
    Action. Repellent, especially against cabbage butterflies and codling moth on apples during period of egg-laying. Fungicidal against rust on currants.
    Fermented extract (2 lbs. of fresh plant material to 2.5 gallons water) Undiluted for rust on currants. Undiluted sprayed on soil to repel slugs. Diluted to 10% against codling moth and cabbage worm. Note: Do not throw detritus of fermentation on compost, as it will slow its breakdown.

    Fernleaf yarrow (Achillea millefolium)
    Perennial plant with ferny, silvery, aromatic foliage and white flowers.
    Active ingredients: pro-azulene, a volatile oil; isovalerianic and salicylic acids (salicylic acid is aspirin, which is why a tea of this plant reduces pain and fever in humans.)
    Action. Promotes compost breakdown; potentiates fungicides.
    Cold maceration. 1 oz. of dried flowers in 1 quart of water; macerate 24 hours. Add to fungicide treatment, such as horsetail or tansy.

    Garlic (Allium sativum)
    Needs no explanation, except to say that garlic is perennial if left in place.
    Active ingredients. Sulfur-containing compounds.
    Action. Insecticide and fungicide.
    Preparation. In decoction: chop 4 oz. peeled cloves and add to 1 quart water. Bring to boil, cover and remove from heat, infuse for one hour. Strain and use without diluting. Used as a soil drench, excellent to prevent damping off of seedlings. In oil maceration: Place 4 oz. of peeled cloves and 2 T. linseed oil in a mixer or blender and pulverize. Filter, washing the filtrate (and mixing in) 1 qt. rainwater. Store one week before using. Adding a bit of soap as a surfactant before spraying is useful. Effective against aphids and mites.
    Note: This is a great use for spare garlic at the end of the winter storage season, which is beginning to sprout and taste unpalatable.

    Cocklebur (Arctium lappa). Infamous biennial weed.
    Active ingredients. Tanins, mucilage, resins, sulfate and potassium phosphate, calcium, and magnesium.
    Action. Fungicide effective against mildew on potatoes.
    Preparation. Use the whole plant before flowering. The root has the most active ingredients. In fermented extract, use 2 lbs. fresh plant to 2.5 gal. of water. Attention: strong odor! Filter and dilute to 5% before spraying on potato foliage. Also, just pick the leaves and use them as a mulch on your potatoes.

    Nasturtium (Trapaeolum majus). Flowering annual.
    Active ingredients. Sulfur-containing compounds.
    Action. Fungicidal against canker on tree fruits. Insectifuge against white fly (repellent).
    Preparation. In infusion, 2 lbs. fresh leaves in 5 quarts of water. Boil water, add leaves, infuse like tea one hour. Use undiluted on fruit trees. Dilute to 30% to spray tomatoes against mildew.

    Comfreys (Symphytum officinalis, S. x uplandicum). Flowering perennial.
    Active ingredients. Allantoin, which stimulates cell multiplication. This is why allantoin is such an excellent ingredient for skin creams, especially for chapped skin.
    Action.Comfrey is a powerful stimulator of all cell multiplication, e.g. growth. It stimulates microbial growth in the soil, and in compost, thus acting as an 'activator'. Comfrey stimulates seedling development as well as foliar growth.
    Preparation. In fermented extract, use 2 lbs. of fresh leaves in 2.5 gal. of water. As a soil drench, dilute to 20%; as a foliar fertilizer and seedling fertilizer, dilute to 5%.

    Spurge (Euphorbia lathyris). Hardy perennial.
    Active ingredient. Euphorbone.
    Action. Repels moles and voles, but must be prepared and sprayed to be effective. Having the plant on your property does not suffice.
    Preparation. In fermented extract, harvest the stems and leaves; the terminals have the most active ingredient, from April to October. Caution! The milky sap of this plant causes skin irritations! Wear long-cuffed gloves to protect your hands and arms. Use 2 lbs. fresh plant material per 2.5 gals. of water. Spray around cultivated areas.

    Bracken fern and male fern. (Pteridium aquilinum, Dryopteris felix-mas). Perennial plant.
    Action. Insecticide and insectifuge.
    Active ingredients. Gallic and acetic acids; tannin; cyanogenic heterosides; potassium; aldehydes transformed to methaldehydes after fermentation.
    Preparation. In fermented extract, 2 lbs of fresh leaves to 2.5 gal. of water. May be fermented simultaneously with nettle or horsetail. Dilute to 10% before spraying. Effective against some pests of potato and grape, very effective against wooly aphid. Note: bracken fern is indigenous in many areas, especially in well-drained acid soils, and is often considered invasive, as it is rhizomatous.

    Lavender (Lavandula angustifolia). Flowering perennial.
    Active ingredients. Over 250 different compounds!
    Action. Insectifuge, insecticide.
    Preparation. In fermented extract, 2 lbs. of fresh plant material per 2.5 gal. of water, dilute to 10% before using. For dried material, use 7 oz.
    In simple infusion, use 4 oz. of fresh plant material in 1 qt. of water, or 2/3 oz. of dried plant material per quart.
    Note: If you live in a cool climate, your lavender will be less potent than that grown in a hot climate. Double the quantities or use dried plant material from a southern source.

    English Ivy (Hedera helix). Perennial vine.
    Active ingredient. Heteroside which is liberated during fermentation.
    Action. Insectifuge and insecticide against white fly, spider mites, and aphids.
    Preparation. In fermented extract, use 2 lbs. chopped leaves in 2.5 gal. of water. In observing fermentation, don't confuse the foam caused by the saponins in the leaves with the gas bubbles of fermentation. Dilute to 5% before spraying. Beekeepers in the 18th century rubbed their hands with ivy to protect themselves from bee stings. Caution! The extract is toxic and must be kept out of the reach of children. Also, many people are allergic to the sap of ivy and/or to the fine hairs on the reverse of the leaves. Wear gloves to protect yourself.

    Lemon balm. (Melissa officinalis). Perennial aromatic culinary and medicinal herb.
    Active ingredient. Many aromatic compounds.
    Action. Insectifuge against aphids, mosquitos, white fly, and ants.
    Preparation. In infusion, 2 oz. of fresh plant in 1 qt. of water. Allow to cool, filter, and spray without diluting. Note: Do not use on seedling beds as it can prevent germination of seedlings.

    Peppermint. (Mentha piperita) Perennial aromatic culinary and medicinal herb.
    Active ingredients. Many aromatic compounds.
    Action. Insectifuge and insecticide against aphids and spider mites.
    Preparation. In infusion, 4 oz. of fresh plant in 1 qt. of water. Allow to cool, filter, and spray undiluted.
    In fermented extract, 2 lbs. of fresh plant to 2.5 gal. of water. Ferments extremely fast. Dilute to 10% before using. Note: Impedes germination so don't use on seedling beds.

    Stinging Nettle (Urtica dioica). Perennial weed.
    Active ingredients. A cocktail of ingredients still poorly analyzed but including formic acid, as well as iron, nitrogen, and many trace minerals. Acts as an immunostimulant for plants.
    Action. Strongly stimulant to both microbial and plant growth, thus a compost activator as well as fertiliser. Insectifuge and sometimes insecticide against aphids, mites, and other pests.
    Preparation. Use of the whole plant before flowering. Studies have shown that including the roots adds a fungicidal action to the extract. In fermented extract (the famous purin d'ortie), 2 lbs. of fresh plant in 2.5 gal. of water, fermented for a few days only. Dilute to 20% before using as soil drench or foliar feed. Use full strength as a natural herbicide (it kills with 'fertilizer burn' because it is so rich). Soak bareroot plants for 30 minutes in the pure extract or for 12 hours in a 20% dilution before planting to stimulate rapid establishment and vigor.

    The nettle reigns supreme among plants for fermentation in France. The fermented extract is sold commercially in garden centers, and clubs and associations of nettle fanatics exist throughout France. Needless to say perhaps, but wear gloves when handling nettles. It's not for nothing they're called 'stinging.'

    Horsetail. (Equisetum arvense). Perennial plant and medicinal herb.
    Active ingredients. Diverse alkaloids, nicotinic acid, silica.
    Action. Insectifuge, preventive fungicide, plant tonic and growth stimulant.
    Preparation. In decoction, boil 1 lb. of fresh plant with 5 qts. of water for 1 hour, allow to infuse 12 hours, filter and dilute to 20%.
    In fermented extract, 1/2 lb. of dried plant in 2.5 gal. of water. Dilute to 5% before using.
    Horsetail, along with nettle and fern, form the Big Three among medicinal plants for plants, according to the French. I remember my Swiss grandmother gathering horsetail and drying it in pillowcases for use in astringent poultices.

    Pyrethrum (Tanacetum cinerariifolium). Perennial.
    Active ingredient. Pyrethrins.
    Action. Insecticide against aphids, cabbage fly, whitefly, carrot fly, and others. Does not hurt bees.
    Preparation. Harvest the flowers when open, and dry them. In infusion, use 1 oz. in 2 qts. of water. Filter when cool and spray undiluted. In fermented extract, use 3 oz. in 2.5 gal. of water. Dilute to 20%. Spray after sundown or in very early morning.

    Horseradish (Armoracia rusticana)
    Perennial culinary herb.
    Active ingredients. Sulfuric heteroside, glucosinolate.
    Action. Fungicide against blackspot on cherries.
    Preparation. In infusion, 12 oz. of fresh plant material (leaves and roots chopped) in 2 1/2 gal. of water. Filter when cool and spray undiluted. In fermented extract, 4 oz. of chopped root in 2.5 gal. of water. Use full strength on seedlings for damping off.

    Rhubarb (Rheum rhaponticum).
    Perennial potager plant.
    Active ingredients. Oxalic acid as salt of calcium.
    Action. Insectifuge against aphids, caterpillars, and other larvae. Repulsive to herbivores.
    Preparation. In cold maceration, use 1 lb. of chopped leaves in 3 quarts of water; allow to soak 24 hours before filtering. Use full strength. This is a great way to use rhubarb leaves as you eat the stalks.

    Rue (Ruta graveolens). Perennial herb.
    Active ingredients. Tannins, heterosides, malic acid, glucosides, and others.
    Action. Insecticide and repulsive.
    Preparation. Harvest fresh leaves and stems before flowering. In fermented extract, 2 lbs. of fresh plant material in 2.5 gal. of water fermented for 10 days. Dilute to 20%. Repels mice, chipmunks, and other chewers. Spray against aphids.

    Dockweed (Rumex obtusifolius). Perennial weed.
    Active ingredients. Have not been studied.
    Action. Fungicide against canker on apples and pears.
    Preparation. In infusion, 2 lbs. fresh leaves in 5 qts. boiling water. Filter when cool, spray full strength on cankers. Treat young trees preventatively. Spring is best time.

    Soapwort (Saponaria officinalis). Flowering perennial.
    Active ingredients. Saponins.
    Action. Insecticide, insectifuge.
    Preparation. In infusion, 4 oz. fresh material in 1 qt. boiling water. Filter when cool and spray undiluted. In fermented extract, 2 lbs. fresh plant material in 2.5 gal. of water. Dilute to 10% before using.

    Sage. (Salvia officinalis). Perennial herb.
    Active ingredients. Monoterpenones, including thujone, camphor, and others, aldehydes, coumarin.
    Action. Insectifuge, fungicide.
    Preparation. In infusion for insectifuge, 4 oz. of fresh plant material in 1 qt. boiling water. Filter when cool and use full strength. In fermented extract, 2 lbs. of fresh leaves and terminals in 2.5 gal. of water, diluted to 10%, against mildew on potatoes.

    Common Elderberry (Sambucus nigra). Large shrub to small tree.
    Active ingredients. Sambucine.Action. Powerful repellant; fungicide.
    Preparation. In decoction, 2 lbs. of leaves soaked for 24 hours in 2.5 gal. of water, then boiled for 30 minutes. Spray undiluted against aphids, beetles, caterpillars. In fermented extract, use 2 lbs. fresh leaves in 2.5 gal. of water. Use undiluted against shelf fungus infections on trees.

    Tansy (Tanacetum vulgare). Perennial plant (invasive in sandy soils).
    Active ingredients. Not studied.
    Action. Insectifuge, insecticide, fungicide against rust and mildew.
    Preparation. In fermented extract, 2 lbs. of fresh plant material in 2.5 gal. of water. Use nondiluted against cabbage fly. In infusion, 1 oz. of flowers in 1 qt. of boiling water. Filter when cool and spray undiluted against aphids, mildew, and rust. Caution: don't throw residues on compost as tansy inhibits its breakdown.

    This season, why not experiment with this new (old) dimension of organic treatments? It's not only we humans who stand to benefit from medicinal herbs. The power of plants can come to the rescue of fellow plants as well!​
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  18. Awesome list chunk, thanks! Already added to my notes compilation :D
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  19. ^^^ Bump!!!
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