Botanicals

Discussion in 'Growing Organic Marijuana' started by MI Wolverine, Nov 30, 2011.

  1. Thanks for the information!! I just looked at the website for Coe's Comfrey. I need to do some more reading on the bocking #4. Some places that I read say that it wont produce sterile seeds where as other sites say that it wont produce seeds at all?:confused: I wonder wich one it is?
     
  2. Hey,

    Thanks y'all. Its nice to get some response; but I don't understand the remark smeone offered "no thanks. I am not sure what to say. So
    Thank you H2T, yes I just today was able to connect with him and asked these questions.
    Therr have been some major power outages and tree damage that has taken priority here and there; so his answers were simply this:
    Drip irrigation is best to manage planting in the heat.
    Some of the most potent plants survive the extreme African heat.
    The bocking #14 is a more shallow rooted variety. With slightly more allantoin and less protein than #4.
    That's why he choose #4 for its use as fodder and compost primarily.
    Possibly the best remark I can recall is his saying use what you have available.
    Try and leave the root larger the first year and take cuttings after it has bulit up itself.
    I will try and find the tape of the interview and add what other facts he offered as simply things he has learned studying Lawrence Hills.

    Thanks all.
    I hope you are having a wonderful summer.
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  3. Im planning to put my plant in my garden area. I still have some space out there and it floods twice a day from bubblers. So I think that should be covered on the watering part...I like it when things come together:hello:. My biggest concern is the invasive aspect of this plant so I just need to find out if the #4 is sterile like the #14?
     
  4. Urlove, that is an excellent source for Comfrey and information concerning Bocking #4.

    I have Bocking #14 but am placing an order for a few #4's.

    Thank you,

    Sam

    p.s. tried to rep you, but gotta spread it around first.
     

  5. Okay. I had to go back a read some things all over again. I completely misunderstood how russian comfrey is the platform for all the bocking strains (if I understand that right) which makes all the strains sterile. Thanks again!;)
     
  6. #747 pointswest, Jul 12, 2012
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    Jerry, I am back from vacation now and have harvested the syrup from the comfrey plant material. When I left on vacation the brew had been working for 2 1/2 weeks and there were still many stems left. I let the brew set another two weeks until I returned from vacation and found only fibers from the stems and most of the other material was either syrup or muddy like sludge.

    I strained this sludge and syrup through a 5 gal paint strainer and stored in a bottle. The mash was added to the compost pile. The fresh plant material amounted to about 5 gal stuffed tight into the bucket. The final yield was about 1/2 gal of syrup from the 5 gal of fresh plants. This week I brewed an EWC, compost kelp, and molasses ACT, so I had to use that tea first and save the FPE for later.

    I have been apprehensive about using these concentrated FPE's since I stunted a couple of seedlings with some dandelion tea. I am much more cautious now and start with 1:30 ratios until I see if it is too strong or not. My tomatoes that I used the dandelion FPE have grown larger than any other in the garden.

    We will try the comfrey FPE in two weeks on the MMJ plants and I will try to post results of this. After the application of the ACT two days ago, the on-site grower says the plants have grown 3-4 in since the application.

    PW
     

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  7. Does anyone use a set of rules for how long a botanical tea can be stored for? In the higher learning thread LD mentioned that he stores alfalfa tea for months. How long is "months"? I would imagine that temps play a big part in this as well, correct? My garage sits in the the low 100's on average in the summer time:(...

    The only precation that I know of is to smell the tea and for that alcohol smell...what about a time line?

    I just threw a few tbsp of nettle in a gallon jug of water for use in the next few weeks (or longer if it will last).

    Thanks.
     
  8. About three months is a safe number. But honestly it at about a cup n a half per gallon, it doesnt last much longer than that anyway.
     
  9. #750 Chunk, Aug 10, 2012
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    I lifted this information from a French Gardening forum and thought the information was relevant to this thread. Some of you are fighting PM and there are some plants and recipes here with fungicidal compounds. A lot of the plants are local to me, and some I grow.....hope this information s of some benefit to our members.


    Chunk
     
  10. Wow, Chunk! This is the post that this thread was missing.
     
  11. Are you serious?? GCITY has been doing some weird stuff lately.... I can see every post on this thread except for Chunks last post. Just a huge white space where I'm sure there is tons of glorious information.

    Boro
     

  12. I'ma saving this for sure! Thanks so much for sharing.

    Having said that....I have seen English Ivy referred to in this way before, but in my 30+ years of growing (outdoor perennials and houseplants) the only mite infestation I've had came via an English Ivy. They loved this thing! Threw it out (tried eradication, they kept coming back) and have yet to try again. I've seen them (spider mites) on ivy growing outdoors as well. Anyone else? :(
     
  13. #754 Loo Entis, Aug 18, 2012
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    As always, thanks to everybody for the goldmine of information! Chunk and LumperDawgz2 have mentioned redpigtools a couple of times...funny thing is that it only takes me 15 minutes to drive there, never heard of them before now:confused:. I won't visit until I have $500 saved up :eek:, because EVERY tool they carry will someday be MINE!

    Here is the main one I want (has been posted earlier). Think I will start a new hobby with this tool; hunting dandelions:cool:

    So far I have 7 pages of notes from LumperDawgz2, now its time to stalk Chunk and later on Microbeman:devious:. After reading so much organic porn I am now a convert!

    For some reason it feels like I've barely glimpsed the tip of the iceberg...you guys leave no turn un-stoned...my reality is ripping at the seams...

    You can spot Lumper @ 2:19...just in case you're curious to see what an organic terrorist looks like...
    :gc_rocks:



    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZ0j1cHLM2M]Shpongle - No Turn Unstoned live - YouTube[/ame]
     
  14. Hey I was wondering if anyone had some insight to fermenting fresh aloe vera?
     

  15. You could look thru here - I'm too lazy.

    Search Forum - Keywords: Aloe Vera User: Lumperdawgz2

    Grasscity.com Forums - Search Results

    :)
     
  16. The point being of fermentation? Aloe Vera is the shit fresh from the plant I use it all the time. fillet it or just cut it open with a few slices and shake it in the water good to achieve the "plant steroid" effect of Aloe Vera... Be careful with using more than 3" of a mature Aloe blade per 2 liters of foliar spray, it helps as a surfactant to help neem oil stick to the leaves and also helps root elongation and aids in the propagation of cuttings....
     
  17. SH - mebbe you'd better look at this first before fermenting...

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jack oneill
    would chopping up some aloe vera and putting it a gallon of water n let it set for a week, work? or does Lily of the Desert have more biologically active compounds?
    jack oneill

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    Products like those from Lily of The Desert (aloe vera is a lily, BTW), what you are getting is a full-strength extract (sometimes called juice or gel - a difference without a distinction). This means that if you have an aloe vera plant then you could cut a leaf (aka fillet), remove the gel and that amount you extracted would be comparable to the same amount from the bottle product.

    You would not want to do what you're asking about and that is because of the Benzoic acid that is in very high levels in aloe vera juice. Sodium is added during the process which creates Sodium Benzoate - a fungicide. You have to add some kind of fungicide and the organic versions will have Citric acid, Potassium Sorbate, Ascorbic acid, etc. as the arresting agent.

    If you were to cut up an aloe vera plant, put the pieces into a tank of water you would create a toxic mess - Benzoic acid begins to ferment within 20 - 30 minutes once it's exposed to air.

    Buy the bottled product - check the labels for the arresting agent used in that specific product. Lily of The Desert has at least 3 versions that would be suitable.

    HTH

    LD
     
  18. What I do is shake it up vigorously and use it all up right away, picking up pieces of gel that may be left on the top of the soil... I like the idea of the fungicide, because I've used sliced Aloe leaf in the bottle with some neem oil before and didn't use it all up until like a week later. It still worked, I don't think it fully fermented like that other batch I tried where I filleted the gel and put it in the spray can and after a couple days of using the same bottle I notice a deterioration in plant health :( changed the water out and things were okay...
    So key from what I'm getting here and from my experience is if using fresh stuff is: use it up quick or add some citric acid. Also use it sparingly, mature leafs can be very potent.
     
  19. See I figured I would go to each thread on each question I had, worthless when you have Jerry around! Remind me to just ask on your thread more often haha

    Sounds like I will be adding a small amount to the res in my SIPs and using an even smaller amount when I spray with my kelp tea to help with stickin!

    I am going to remove a decent amount of gel and add some citric acid and try that out for a while, my plants not big enough to take a cutting each week! Until... you know... I make 20 out of her...

    Anyone else have that problem with normal plants? Once you have one and know how to propagate, it becomes all you want to do? haha

    Thanks Jerry!

    HaGGarD
     
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