United States presidential election 2020 Bernie Sanders 2020

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Green Wizard, Jan 26, 2019.

  1. Why the FUCK do people use the phrase "fully semi-automatic?" I've seen it other places. That's like saying a "full partial-eclipse." Sheesh.
     
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  2. I’m voting for Bernie while grittin my teeth. Your ho wet, releasing her queef.


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  3. I did watch that video. I also read about it. Did you?
     
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  4. Seems more like this in particular is closer to an imitation of Europe and the Nordic countries where their hours per week worked are lower but they are paid higher like this is suggesting. I fully support this, why wouldn't anyone. You're making more money still (if you were working below $15) but you also have more time off. It's a healthier and more enjoyable life. Granted, over there I saw a country doing 37 hour work weeks, 40 hours, so it's not much of a difference but. But I did think I remembered seeing a country or two recognize 32 hour work weeks as full time.

    Bernie is a Democratic socialist afterall...

    But granted this is America and in particular Fox news, so, we're kinda stipulated on the fact that we should be working 50 hour work weeks for 7 bucks an hour so we can save for binoculars to scan the lands for all these abundant "saving grace" jobs.
     
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  5. Corporations & elte 1% control how those we vote for actually vote) not just by lobbying either, there are several ways. Bernie says they love socialism as long as they are on the receiving end of what the 99% can squeeze out. This includes time actually working which for years has included working at home at night and weekends, checking company mail at all hours, etc.. In some lines of work.

    "In the 1950s, a typical CEO made 20 times the salary of his or her average worker. Last year, CEO pay at an S&P 500 Index firm soared to an average of 361 times more than the average rank-and-file worker, or pay of $13,940,000 a year, according to an AFL-CIO's Executive Paywatch news release. (2018)"
     
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  6. Making excuses followed by deflection. Nice job. Bottom line is Bernie was paying people less than what he was advocating for a minimum wage, he was called on his hypocrisy and instead of just raising their pay he reduced their hours.and you try to make it sound like a humanitarian gesture. LOL
     
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  7. The comparison here though is not to the CEOs of the world, but to Bernie. Why is Bernie making millions and paying his campaign workers peanuts?
     
  8. "It does bother me that people are going outside of the process and going to the media," Sanders added. "That is really not acceptable. It is really not what labor negotiations are about, and it's improper."
    Says the guy who is trying to use the media to fundamentally change a country.
    Bernie is such a piece of shit!

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  9. "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country"
     
  10. Dishonest argument. A campaign is not a business. I didn't donate my $27 dollars to pay somebody else not running for President. Bernie doesn't take corporate donations. He's not bought off like corporate whores like yourself. Now who's a piece of shit?
     
  11. It was messed up that initially sanders was paying less than 15/hr. But it’s kind of hilarious that after resolving this issue people are misrepresenting what happened. The staff being referred to was full time salaries workers. On average they were making about 36k/yr with benefits. But they were working 60-80 hour weeks which is common on campaign. Because they were working such long hours effectively they were making under the 15/hr. This is why the campaign tried to create a maximum threshold for hours worked. It was messed up that they were working such long hours and the issues has now been resolved due to the fact that the staff is unionized and voiced their concerns to the campaign. But it’s amazing how resolving this problem (that Bernie likely wasn’t even aware of as he’s not checking the hours of his low level staggers) has turned into dumb hypocrisy takes. Sanders campaign never paid hourly workers less than 15/hr and was only paying less than 15/hr to salaried workers due to oversights which have now been corrected. Moral of the story unions and collective bargaining benefit workers.
     
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  12. #693 ReturnFire333, Jul 22, 2019
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    Well if you are convinced that 60 hour work weeks are normal, then no, it would never be "humanitarian" to you. I wasn't trying to come across that way either, but I also don't believe we should be spending the majority of our lives at work. Freedom is a bunch of bullshit to a 40+ hour work week.

    My mother spends all of her time at work with no retirement, no paid leave, very little leave (weeks out of the year) and she'll be working until she dies because, all because she wasn't a college person? I'm sure everyonee must have to be able to go to college and if they don't they are bullshitting or lazy.

    Or maybe, these jobs simply aren't there in abundance. Why wouldn't they be, you so readily ask? Because it's less profitable to be a humane employer.
     
  13. None of my links hid those circumstances...still found it hypocritical...and interesting his solution is just one of the negative effects raising the min creates. Workers getting their hours cut. He could have started paying his salaried employees $15 ph for over 40 or even 50. Right?
     
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  14. Still trying to figure out how this is such a bad negative. People are so conditioned in America to their damn jobs man. Gotta get those ridiculous hours in.
     
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  15. Those brainwashed by the corporate owned right wing medias (including the neolibs CNN & MSNBC and others) rhetoric of "trickle down" economics need to be deprogrammed. The "elites" have so much money they only spend a tiny fraction, the rest is kept in the family generation after generation. The lower 2/3's of us get no benefit when they sit on mountains of money that is working for them but not the "good of the whole"...

    With a "living wage" it not only reduces the amount our tax dollars go for food stamps and other programs but those bumped up to $15 will actually go out and "buy stuff" putting more money in circulation. This helps the REAL ECONOMY not just the on paper corporate Wall Street economy which is NOT a true reflection of prosperity... (despite what you here from Cult45 blowing their tRumpets)
     
  16. You are right, it is not such a "bad negative". More humorous than anything...Mr. Minimum Wage getting called out by his own. A negative is that he will lose the productivity represented by the extra hours.
     
  17. Nothing helps food stamp reduction more than a job. Obama set a food stamp receiver record. Trump's policies have reversed Obama's dismal affect there. That isn't even a goal to the socialists. Your negativism is not represented in reality.
     
  18. What do you believe is the difference between the "real economy" and the "paper economy of Wall Street"? Why do you believe that only the "elite" benefit from a good stock market or a good economy? Around half of working Americans have investments of some kind, when the stock market gains value they gain wealth. If you have retirement savings you benefit from the stock market going up. Even if you don't, profitable investments increase your employment opportunities and increase your standard of living. If you think "the rich" have most of their money under a mattress you're mistaken, that rich person's net worth is mostly in their own enterprises or providing capital for someone else to use for economic activity.

    Ironically it's high taxes and excessive regulations that encourage the rich to truly "hide it in their mattress" by storing it in offshore tax havens instead of investing it in their own country.
     
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  19. About half of American households own virtually no stock. A recent study found that about 84 percent of stocks are owned by about ten percent of the highest income earners. The truth is about half of this country gets no material benefit from stock market increases.
     
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