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BadKats CannaPharm: Medical Grade Oil, Cannabis Capsules, UV GLOWING Hash Candy, Canna Bombs more

Discussion in 'Weed Edibles' started by BadKittySmiles, Jan 31, 2011.

  1. i want to make your recipe for oil using coconut oil. i fully understand HOW to make it, there are WHY questions i have which i hope you can explain to me. forgive me i am new to this..If i follow intructions, the temperature never excedes 220F. 1hr, then freeze, thaw then back again at 220F for depending how many hrs the individual wants.i have read several postings which have the temperatures that the popular cannabanoids become activated at, and they adjust their vapes for those they are looking to get.for ex thc is in the 350F or so range where as cbd is in the 400'sF... so my question is how/why would all these cannabanoids be available in the oil whether it is cooked for 1hr or 5hrs, when they have different boiling? points and the temperature never excedes 220F ??
     
  2. #2282 BadKittySmiles, Aug 30, 2013
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     Extraction via a solvent, and heat released vaporization, are two very different things. :)
     
     
     Consider that in order to make a golden-clean smoking or vaping concentrate, you actually freeze ALL of your materials, and tools... everything from the herb, to the alcohol and the container... before beginning! If making a Golden Dragon or Golden-Lime Dragon, with food grade alcohol and flowers, rather than hash, you perform the same extraction method that you'd use for concentrates; very quick, cold washes, straining out the plant matter, and then we use heat & additional time when continuing the process to facilitate the bioavailability of the material that has been extracted, and to encourage additional CBN formation if desired.
     
     
       When making cannabis oil, the oil is your 'edible solvent'; it's thicker or more viscous and performs the full extraction with a few additional minutes, and like a Dragon, the remainder of the time spent processing is actually to facilitate the bioavailability of that material, and if desired, to encourage the formation of additional CBN. :)
     
     
     
      But in order to extract that material off the plant matter, without the use of a solvent, and instead by using vaporization, you need to rely on specific temperatures.
     
     
    That's where your confusion came in!
     
     
     
     A solvent strips the desired material, and temperature specific vaporization can also strip the material (but, while encouraging undesired degradation; one of the reasons edibles provide stronger and longer-lasting effects, from less canna).
     
     
     
      With that said, a solvent (particularly those we use) will not, in and of itself, cause the reaction that releases the carboxyl group causing decarboxylation of cannabinoids; that is the one and only step that is 'similar' to vaporization in the entire process.
     
     Which is precisely why we rely on a specific temperature, to pre-heat the dry cannabis, minus the oil, to begin with! :hello:
     
     
    In order to reliably decarboxylate cannabinoids, you need time and exposure to dry heat to readily release the carboxylic acid; once submerged in and protected by the oil, that process takes even longer at the same temps. :)
     
     
     
     Hope this clears things up! :wave:
     
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    So if I have a high cbd strain and follow your recipe.. I would have available cbd and not cbdV?
     
  4. sorry.. i reread your last two sentences.. that clears it up.
    i have recently discovered this medicinal world, and i'm trying to catch up and understand the ins and outs. ( mother has parkinsons and has taken a turn for the worst )
    thank you for your prompt reply and explanation.. god bless
     
  5. Hey badkat! 
     
    I recently discovered they have 100% MCT oil on amazon, NOW brand. How do you think it would work? Would It maybe be good to mix with some coconut oil or even be a possibility to use the pure oil all on its own?
     
  6. I have always wanted to know that too.. but if you watch her youtube video once of the batches she makes it looks like she just uses straight MCT oil
     
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    Hmm, im excited for her to chime in on this! I will order some soon if its worth it. 
     
  8. I've been making oils and edibles for years. I tried your way and then your candy recipe and completely wasted 6 grams of hash. Pretty pissed off since I only do small harvests and it was my entire hash collection until next months 4 plants come down. Been doing the corn syrup and butter way for years using less than adequate trim for bomb candies and my patient loves them. This shit didn't even join together properly and before i could even stir it a couple times it immediately turned into what looked like brown powdered sugar. Now need to use real buds to make my patients meds. Thanks for the loss.
     
  9.  
    I think that it is pretty crappy to blame someone else that has shared their time-tested and proven methods with everyone when you are the one who decided to try something new and then bombed.  I would look first at what you may have done incorrectly, since so many others have had great successes with BKS' recipes and methods.  Then I would point out that no one made you try them .... just being fair.
     
  10.  
    I'm a chef by trade. I can cook anything you'd like and very adept at following a recipe. I even redid the recipe a few times over without using oil and just making candy and it produced the same crap, crumbly candy. Granted I should have done that the first time but seeing as her methods are tried and true and proven and the fact that I fucking cook for a living should tell me that nothing would go wrong. I have everything that one could want or need at my disposal in the kitchen. So, I do blame her and her so called time-tested and proven methods when mine have never created something like this and I make it monthly and have for years. I will take the old method of butter and corn syrup and will gladly put my candy against anyone else's. I can even make them glow if you really want.
     
    What was created does and will get you high but why wouldn't it. It's made with double the regular dose. It is not in anyway enjoyable to eat and it has nothing to do with the taste. If I could upload pics from the phone I would show what it looks like and the sequential fails of regular candy. I had questioned the recipe the entire time and I really have only myself to blame for not trusting my instincts that the recipe is lacking something.
     
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    When your what? Hard candy?
     
     
     It doesn't sound like you have much or any experience making candy... I only said this because if you did, you'd know exactly where you went wrong, and much easier than any of us could; you were there, after all! :)

     If you're having repeated issues, I would definitely recommend following the recipe exactly, and researching hard candy trouble shooting tips for newer candy makers, but I will also take the time to provide a few below.... I do feel bad you've been having so much trouble, it's definitely going to be an easy fix once you learn the ropes!

     
     First off, if it's something you've never done before, you should always... always.... ALWAYS(!!!) learn how to make a hard butter candy, or peanut brittle first, before using a medicated oil!
     

     (And if you have done it before, then there shouldn't be any issues to begin with, right? Right! :) )
     

     It sounds like you had uncooked sugar contamination, either because sugar splashed up the sides of your pot early in the process, and you didn't wash down the sides afterwards, or because you chose to stir with the same utensil early in the process, set it down, then used it again later, after the candy reached the hard crack stage.
     
     
    New and inexperienced candy chefs should also try learning with a large portion of glucose rich corn syrup or invert sugar, the glucose content interferes with the crystallization that you're having issues with... this allows you to make a few more and larger learning errors, without destroying your candy. And just a small touch, can save even experienced chefs a lot of hassle if they aren't confident with the process; you need to be experienced and have a very steady hand and good timing to get away with using no glucose what-so-ever. :yay:


     And what's beneficial for new candy makers: the glowing candy already contains enough corn syrup, due to the tonic water! The directions would need to be followed particularly sloppily (beyond mixing contaminated utensils, and overly splashy stirring throughout etc), before crystallization can occur with all those long chains of glucose protecting you! If you don't feel you can stir carefully without making a mess along the sides of your pot, it's best if you don't stir at all.. early stirring really only serves to helps speed the dissolving rate of the sugar, it's not needed. :)
     
     
     
     In the end, with just a little reading and patience, making a hard candy (one that's no different from a common peanut brittle!), should be no problem for a skilled chef such as yourself! Especially if patients and users who aren't very experienced in their kitchens, and who don't have access to all the best tools, can get it down! :hello:  :)






     Just for good measure, here is a recent post on the same topic... making hard candy usually comes up a few times a month in the regular edible section :)

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    "Question about making hard candies (with hash oil)..."
     
     
     
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     The below should help... the first page of the CannaPharm also has a hard candy recipe, very similar to the one you've shared. it details when to safely add your hash oil, and how to blend it without altering the final consistency of the candy.
     
     If you're new to hard candy, you need to make a trial batch first WITHOUT your hash, but while still using the same oil used to make your hash oil. This way you can be sure you know what you're doing and your candy sets up properly! Many people struggle with their first few batches, it takes just enough stirring without stirring too much, and it requires adding the oil at just the right time, but not so late that it can't be blended evenly. I can't tell you how many times folks have come in to the CannaPharm or have emailed or visited, saying they spent a month's worth of their medicine on a batch of candy that wound up crystallizing, crumbling, and turning back into a glorified, medicated table sugar. :eek:
     
     Once it's past a certain point it's still useful for gently made syrups and for sweetening tea, coffee and other drinks, but that's about it! (It can usually be used for brownies, but cakes and cookies for instance sometimes flatten if the cooked and crumbled sugar is used.) :)
     
     
    Hard candy by itself is tricky until you learn to avoid partially dissolved sugar syrup and crystals on the side of the pan, which can crystallize and ruin the batch... this is why newer candy makes should ALWAYS start with a 1 : 3 / 1 : 5 ratio, of either one part rice, corn or other glucose containing syrup, with three to five parts standard cane sugar. If you're already quick and careful when making candy, you can get away with just a drizzle per each cup or two of sugar. If you're still learning, go on the heavy side.
     Glucose interferes with and disrupts the crystal chains that can form which can ruin the texture, consistency, appearance and even the flavor of your candy (sauces, frostings and other treats). You can even make your own glucose containing syrup (called invert sugar, this is what I do!) using cane sugar, a splash of water, and simple heat with a citric acid catalyst... the mixture is quickly heated to 236 F over medium high, once there the heat is reduced to low, and it is allowed to rest roughly at that temperature for 5 - 10 minutes. I'll usually remove it from heat all together just before hitting 238 F. This forms long (invisible to the naked eye!) chains of glucose which can interfere with and prevent sucrose crystallization. :hello:
     
     
     
     Anyhow, I'm sorry I got off topic a little, I hope it's helpful at least :)
     
     
     Here are the links! The first page of the below CannaPharm has the hard candy recipe I use; you can adjust the final temperature for different textures, select different flavors, slightly scald a very small portion of sugar syrup first with a little butter and milk to add to your candy base for a traditional and old fashioned caramel, add nuts for a peanut brittle, or seeds and even herbs or edible flowers, and when kept on the cool side, a tsp of agar powder or gelatin can make a mean gummy/taffy-like candy.
     
     
     Learning the simple hard candy recipe inside and out is a GREAT place to start with candy making, it's an awesome way learn how to make all kinds of traditional, to modern and new-fangled candies... and they are MUCH better than anything you can buy at the average grocery store, these days.
     
     
    Plus, they have weed in them.  :ey: :laughing: :yummy:
     
     
     
    If you just have a smoking hash oil at this point and it has not yet been made edible, this is where you'll need to start.
     
    The first is a photo tutorial, then a series of video tutorials that can be used with hash (a sticky-icky bubble hash was used during the video tutorial in addition to three methods for making canna oil with flowers).
     
    BadKat's Highly Activated & Bioavailable, Med-Grade Cannabis Concentrate (Edible & Smokable recipes included... similar to RSO/Phoenix Tears & BHO, but bioavailable & made with food grade/drinking alcohol)

    -Medical Grade Cannabis Concentrate-

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    If video tutorials are useful for you, here is the World Summit edition of the CannaPharm information....
     
     
     
    ( You'll be wanting Vol. 1 - & - Vol. 4. but I'll also include the previews, and the cuttings segment and hash demo..... the extra time-lapsed footage of little seedlings germinating and growing over the course of a day, obscuring the little GrassCity hello sign in a matter of seconds is pretty neat to watch, too. :yay:)
     
     
     
     
     
    Cannabis World Summit  : BadKittySmiles Headlines!
     
     
     
     
     Both Rick Simpson and I were the headlining 'star speakers' of the Cannabis World Summit, the Summit is an annual, 10-day, free and informative event, available to all members of our community who are interested in cannabis, in its medical applications, and in what the major players in the community are up to. :)
     
     
      Nine of the ten days featured three or more speakers for each day, Rick and I were asked to share the Big 4/20 day of the Summit alone due to the volume of content we provided the community, and to our track records with treating and even curing cancer, as well as other illnesses, with our medical oils! My medical oil video tutorials, Rick's interview, and his documentaries can be found on Day 5 / 4-20-2013, along with some bonus footage from Rick.
     
     
     
     
     Here ya go!
     
    BadKat's CannaPharm : The Cannabis World Summit Edition...
     
     
    BadKat's CannaPharm "The Cannabis World Summit Edition, Vol 1: Decarboxylation" by BadKittySmiles
     
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEa9a1riXl8
     
    BadKat's CannaPharm "The Cannabis World Summit Edition, Vol 2: Flowering & Revegetated Clones" by BadKittySmiles
     
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMKeEwMSgb4
     
    BadKat's CannaPharm "The Cannabis World Summit Edition, Vol 3: Hash Machine Demo" by BadKittySmiles
     
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shrUhcPLqb0
     
    BadKat's CannaPharm "The Cannabis World Summit Edition, Vol 4: Medical Grade Oil" by BadKittySmiles
     
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4v6wKwQO6Ko
     
    BadKat's CannaPharm "The Cannabis World Summit Edition, Vol 5: Powerful Topical Bone Bars" by BadKittySmiles
     
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spHr1m5ZQA0
     
    BadKittySmiles World Summit Preview.. Medical Grade Canna Oil, Hash, Edibles, Cloning and more!
     
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rffzSeSfeuM
     
    BadKittySmiles - GrassCity!!! - Cannabis World Summit - Comment to WIN FREE SIGNED BeeLine Hemp Wick!
     
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkbclJ5wZKk

     
     
    And a little 'Bonus Review' for the Weed Star Jackson #1 from the GRASS City shop!
     
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xqwu-_KpIWc
     
     
     
     
     
    Fast & frozen wash concentrate for smoking or vaping..
     
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    From BadKat's CannaPharm Vol. 5 : "Bone Bars" - Medical Grade Topical Cancer/Pain Treatment....
     
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    Day 5 - April 20
    And a few candy related things you can make with your finished oil....
     
     
     
    "An edible a day, keeps the doctor away!"


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    Or they can include apples...


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    A few more interesting treats, that are more on the gummy side....
     
     
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    Canna Gummy Candies, in the CannaPharm :hello:

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    OK, these are meringue 'candies' and they are a completely different beast, but they're still tons of fun!
     
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    UV GLOWING HARD Hash or Canna Candies

    -"Meddy" Moose Pops-

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    -Philosopher's STONES-

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     (Again, they're really easy to make, so long as you have a few unadulterated batches of hard candy under your belt... making at least one successful practice batch is a good idea; it makes a great snack if it comes out well, and it lets you know what you need to improve on, if something goes awry. [​IMG] )




    Good luck, and have fun! :wave:
     
  12. #2292 CannaClay, Sep 5, 2013
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    The statement in red shows us that you did not even read BKS' full recipe.
    Maybe you should read all of BKS' posts before trying to follow in her footsteps...  She makes it look easy but it takes time to get these methods down pat.
    Its great to know WHAT to do but the MOST important part of BKS' posts is that she gives the WHY which will help you understand where you went wrong or just to help you to perfect your processing.
     
  13. Just a quickie update.  I dried out my trim from the last harvest and did a room- temp 95% ethanol extraction.   I let it sit maybe 5 min, it really didn't get very green, but it was very well dried out and well cured; when I noticed it was turning darker I started straining it.   I divided and saved some for dabs and processed the rest on a glass dish at 220f in the oven for about 90 min, sort of a medium yellow gold/brown color when finished.   Very good results after redissolving in coconut oil and adding some lecithin, then putting into a commercial brownie mix.  It was a nice balance, at least for me.
     
    I haven't had as good results with vapped remains.   Seems like all that's left over are the sleepy cannabinoids, I used less than a quarter cup oil for a half ounce of left overs, perhaps I need more, or perhaps it just is too sedating for my tastes.  
     
    GG
     
  14. #2294 Afghancamel, Sep 6, 2013
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    I have referred to the Concentrate tutorial countless times for the info on degradation etc. The other day I read the tech in full and immediately wished I'd read it from the start ages ago.
     
    To my way of thinking, using oil as your solvent is asking for a mess. The idea of using alcohol to strip the goodies and then using oil to process them and to deliver them sounds a lot easier and cleaner.
     
    You say you processed for 90 minutes at 220F. Was that with all the alcohol still in the dish? I'm not so sure I'll be putting alcohol into my oven, I'm happy to wait for a natural evaporation.
     
    Following the tech exactly is easy enough, but do the alcohol and the oil bind well?
     
    I was thinking of adding the filtered alcohol wash( made with 95% alcohol Polish rectified spirit and decarbed herb) to a measured quantity of oil, placing it near a window until the alcohol has evaporated off, then processing the oil at 220F as per normal. Would that work? What are the pitfalls?
     
    I friend got me to make an oil for him a couple of months ago, using 90gms of leaf and 380mls of starting oil, 300mls recovered - the end product wasn't too bad. Now he wants me to make another for him and this time he has 115gms of leaf. 
     
    Would I be right in thinking that the easiest way to get the goodies from 115gms of leaf and into, say, 230mls of oil is to decarb, then strip with alcohol, then add to the oil?
     
  15. #2295 GGinCT, Sep 6, 2013
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    Afghan,
     
    I think it's easier to use alcohol first when you have fairly low potency starting material.   If my hash making skills were better I might make hash out of it first to accomplish the concentration and then use an oil extraction.  
     
    I put the dish in a larger pan of hot water and evaporated off the alcohol before I put it into the oven, it's all electric so no open flames, and I had good ventilation.  The boiling point of ethanol is around 175 F so your extract won't exceed this until after the ethanol is evaporated, then there is residual water as well.  I'm not really sure if that's the best way to decarb, or if it really would have been better to decarb the trim first.  Anyhow, the odor was minimal with the dish sealed on top with foil, I spread it out into more or less an even film over the bottom while evaporating off the ethanol.  If the material is really dried and cured there doesn't seem to be a lot of chlorophyll in the extract, at least compared to using fresh frozen trim.   I pressed to get out all the liquid, so I think the recovery may be better than when using frozen trim which releases chlorophyll when you squeeze it out.
     
    The alcohol extracted resins redissolved in oil very nicely, the dish was still fairly hot and I pre-heated the oil, then sprinkled lecithin on top and let it dissolve in.   I could have used a freezing step I suppose, although I didn't, just let it cool and added the oil directly to my brownie mix as directed on the package.  
     
    GG
     
  16. #2296 therealmatt, Sep 7, 2013
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    Unless you're talking about dry sift or bubble here, the math doesn't seem to add up. With a solvent extraction, a quality yield from good buds is about 20%, and up to 25% if you sacrifice quality for quantity or have some serious fire flowers. (Correct me if I'm wrong.)

    0.35g * 20% = 0.07g
    0.35g * 25% = 0.875g

    I realize that traces of potency are left behind even after the most careful and thorough solvent extractions, but what you're suggesting is that a dose of concentrate must be twice that of its intact bud equivalent. For this to be true, the concentrate would have to be only 50% essential oils, and that would be a pretty dirty extraction.

    Please explain. :)
     
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     Most people or patients who prefer hash and have regular access to it, often do so and choose to use it because the resulting oils are more concentrated, and they not only can handle, but these patients often require greater potency, so when speaking loosely or generally as above about the common dosage requirements we see, rounding to an even number, those numbers are roughly where a larger percentage of my patients fall depending on the form they prefer. :)
     The majority of my flower patients with a lower cannabinoid intake for instance, tend to require smaller doses making a direct flower to oil extraction easy to work with, while my regular concentrate patients who have built up their tolerance over time, and who smoke/vape and eat both flowers and hash regularly, are easier to provide for when working with hash and concentrates, and consequently their average intake is higher.  :)
     
     This is why the actual dosage instructions are to take your personal tolerance into consideration, by consuming a little less than you'd usually smoke or vape during a single session (or a day, if you are a high tolerance/heavy user). This is why I eventually stopped providing the quantities/ratios I happened to be working with during my tutorials, some oils were for myself and others were for patients over the years, and folks were occasionally relying too much on hard numbers, rather than their personal tolerance, even when I directed them in the same tutorial to do otherwise! There is no 'one perfect dose', it relies solely on the patient's tolerance. :)
     A brand new user who has never (or has not recently) smoked or vaped, will often only be comfortable working their way up in .05g flower increments! And if it is your first time, even as a regular smoker, you should start with half of the equivalent of your usual daily intake, and wait to see how you feel after 40 - 60 minutes. Dosing is based on the user or patient's tolerance and their personal medical requirements, not a single or specific number. :)
     
     
     
      Just to finish up, here is the rest of that quote you found, just so folks can see it in context!
     
     
    "An edible herb dose, is generally the resulting oil from 0.35g. With a concentrate or hash, a dose is usually around 0.15g. I try to give only basic guidelines because it's different for everyone, depending on your digestion, your tolerance, not to mention the quality of the herb or hash you're using. For some folks an edible made with 0.15g concentrate is too much, and others can take a little more. The dispensary recommendation is to eat half your edible containing the average dose (*ie, if you're familiar with herb in vape/smoked form, the equivalent of your daily intake), then wait 40 minutes to see how you feel before eating the rest.. "
     
     
     
     Hope this helps clear things up! :wave:
     
  18. #2298 therealmatt, Sep 8, 2013
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    It does indeed! Thank you very much. :) 

    I agree with the method and concept of determining the personally optimal dose. I was just wondering if I was missing something regarding concentration. I also didn't think to take into account the higher tolerance of hash consumers. Good call. :)
     
  19. Man this thread is awesome! I have a quick question about the canna oil. I am pretty sure I know the answer to this question, just asking for clarification just in case there is something I am not getting. There are a few different capsule recipes that you have. I was just making sure that if I wanted a less potent version of the hash capsules, I could use basically the same recipe for canna oil, but fill up capsules with that? Sorry if that is a dumb question but I'm fairly new to this. I used to make tinctures and I find working with coconut oil rather than alcohol to be a much easier so I am very interested in this. If it matters... I will be using about an ounce of high quality bud and a little trim as well. I am just looking to get as much out of the ounce as I can get to give me as long of a period of relief as I can get because I am unfortunately not in a medical state and do not have access to much. Any other suggestions or recipes to help get more doses out of it would be welcomed as well! Thanks for the help.
     
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    Well alot of people will point you to Badkats concentrate tutorial. I have not worked with that one yet so I cant comment on it. But I just follow  the canna oil recipe and I use high quality bud aswell. The only thing I do different is I use 1 tbsp coconut oil per gram of herb. This ratio could involve less coconut oil but I feel comfortable using this amount to make sure I get as sufficient an extraction as I can. However, I dont cap it. I usually make chocolates out of it, break off a chunk and eat it straight, put in coffee or tea, or melt over anything I am going to eat. It is really versatile and taste good as it is so in my opinion it is not "inconvenient" to not cap it.  
     
    I did try capping it for the first time a few days ago and I couldnt fit very much in so I definitly see the reason behind following the concentrate tek if capping is your end goal. 
     
    Good luck and im sure whatever you do will turn out great as long as you follow the tek exactly. You might want to try a small test run of an eighth just to see if there are any kinks or questions you come across. 
     
    Wegrass
     

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