Aw crap, I'm a conservative...

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Zylark, May 15, 2010.

  1. Of course, the best examples always come from South Park.

    If Islam is so peaceful, how come South Park can show Buddah doing lines of Coke, Jesus watching internet porn, and so on with other major religious figures... but Comedy Central not only censors all images of Mohammad, but censors even Mohammad's name from being said on the show.

    If the little darlings are so peaceful, why the need to censor?
     

  2. Well that's your choice.

    Just remember, we call a person a good Christian if they follow the teachings of Jesus and try to emulate the way he lived. A person who deviates significnatly from those teachings we would call a bad Christian.

    But a person who simply follows what the Koran says, and emulates Mohammad's life is considered... well, wouldn't we also call that a good Muslim? It then appears that it's the 'good Muslims' that go around raping infidel women, killing people in the street, etc. That's what Mohammad did, that's what Muslims should do. The only Muslims that are really compatible with western civilization are, by definition, the bad muslims. Those that don't do what the Koran tells them to do.
     

  3. Not bits of the Koran. Have you read the whole Koran?

    If you had, you would know that it's really, radically, fundamentally different from other 'holy books.' Namely Mohammad goes around raping children and killing people.
     
  4. The Bible advocates the murder of gays but I certainly wouldn't say that a Catholic who goes on a homosexual-killing-rampage would constitute a 'good Christian', and I can't imagine you would either.

    The core messages of all religious texts are ones of peace, harmony and understanding. Nevertheless, they all have portions that demonstrate how the life and times of the authors rubbed off on some of the stories within. Thank God we don't live in the Dark Ages anymore.
     
  5. Hmm well call me crazy but even if Mohommad rapes children in the Koran I'm pretty sure an Iranian Muslim raping his neighbor's child would not be considered good practice of Islam... :rolleyes:
     
  6. You have clearly not read the Koran. It contains only a message of peace harmony and understanding by dominating your enemy, killing them, and enslaving their women.

    It shows you clearly have not read the book.
     
  7. Well, I purport that due to the observation that the vast majority of Muslims - especially those in developed countries - live peaceful lives alongside other community members of different faiths, genders, sexual orientations, etc. one can conclude that my understanding of the teachings of Islam is much more widely held than your understanding.
     
  8. But you haven't actually read the book.

    And you get your information from a media that goes out of its way to whitewash anything bad about Islam.

    So, not reading the book, and drawing observations only from a biased source... you reach the conclusion that the biased source wants you to reach.

    Good for you. You're doing a fine job allowing other people to think for you

    Now please read the book and take a look at what actually takes place around the world by the barbarians, both in their own lands and in the lands they are invading.
     
  9. You sound like a centrist/libertarian.
     
  10. Additionally, perhaps you can list for me the countries where the little darlings of the religion of peace are living so peacefully?

    Saudi Arabia? Iran? Iraq? Egypty? Somalia? Libya? Sudan? Pakistan? Afghanistan?

    It seems the only countries where the followers of Mohammad aren't executing gays, terrorizing women, destroying all minority communities in their presence, etc... are the countries where they have not yet obtained majority or near-majority status so as to impose Sharia law.
     
  11. Sir Elliot/Zylark/anti-Muslim folks!

    You say that the Koran is a book of hatred, rape, murder etc unparalleled to other holy books such as the Bible. You accuse people of having not read the book and thus recieving information from unreliable sources concerning the Muslim religion - the contemporary Muslim religion, which is not to be found in the Koran...

    Anyhow, back it up. I have read the first few pages of the Koran and found them quite funny (some bullshit about a golden cow), but I haven't read the Koran to the same level at all that you presumably have to go lecturing people about how they 'need to read the Koran to understand' etc. So, enlighten me and other 'liberals' - find us some Koran verses that highlight how Islam and the Koran are not on a part with Christianity and the Bible, how the Koran and Islam calls for anti-Semitism, how Mohammed rapes children and whatever else.

    This should be somewhat time consuming, but relatively easy for either of you, and absolutely vital to launching a proper argument. All you've done so far is make what are essentially groundless claims - they could be true, they also might not be true, and there's no way I and likely anyone else here can agree with you unless the evidence is in and we've seen what makes Islam such a 'violent religion' as opposed to other religions. Until you do provide some evidence, there's no choice but to take your words as nothing more than unverified claims...
     

  12. Malaysia and Turkey to name just a couple...
     

  13. i dont think there should be genocide anywhere, i simply saying that if the israelis stopped trying to expand there would be less conflict. and i also think hamas and hezbollah are terrible groups i can just understand their mindset
     



  14. This fight goes all the way back to Isaac and Ishmael.



     
  15. I side with Palestine. The Israeli government effectivley turned Gaza into a concentration camp (and you could argue the country had no right to exist in the first place), and has all the big weapons that america gave them (including white phosperous, banned in warfare). And the Palestinians through missiles a few km over the border. But yeah sure, the jews are the ones being persecuted.
     
  16. Doesn't really work like that. You can't just take a couple verses out of context and expect it to give you some kind of supreme understanding of a specific religion. Can't do it with the Koran, nor the Bible.
     

  17. Communism is the only ideology which represent your ideal my friend.


    There cannot be freedom for an individual without equality. Then freedom is unequal and calculated by capital. The Capitalist class hold the freedom in American society.


    This is not true. Hating Zionism is not jew-hatred. Leftists don't support the hanging of gays and the sexism, we support a struggle of anti-imperialism within a wider perspective of class struggle.


    I am a Communist and I believe in all the freedoms you mention, the difference between me and the average American reactionary is that I realise the freedoms mean nothing without a system which operates upon the principle of equality.
     
  18. #39 Zylark, May 16, 2010
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    Too easy, most of the koran (if counting pages) is all about jew-hatred, killing infidels, apostates and people who criticise islam. So examples are plentifull. And I will provide you with a few, but first, a word from the former grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Arafats uncle no-less, and the organizer of a muslim SS division and close collaborator with the nazi regime preceeding and during WW2 (translated from “Mufti Papers: Amin al-Husaini’s Letters, Memoranda, Speeches, and Appeals from the Exile Period, 1940-45” No. 104):

    The mufti was responsible for denying some 480,000 jews escaping Hungary and Bulgaria in the latter parts of the war. They all ended up in deathcamps. Later the mufti was instrumental in creating the Muslim Brotherhood, of which Hamas is a member, and also CAIR and MSA in the US.

    But back to koranic verses since you seem to lazy to read it yourself, and thus live in ignorant bliss where you deny the barbarism of islam:

    Killing infidels:

    [8.12] When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.
    [2.191] And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers.
    [9.73] O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination.
    [9.123] O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil).
    [48.28] He it is Who sent His Apostle with the guidance and the true religion that He may make it prevail over all the religions; and Allah is enough for a witness.
    [48.29] Muhammad is the Apostle of Allah, and those with him are firm of heart against the unbelievers (...)

    And so on and so forth. If you wish I can quote you plentifull of verses displaying hatred for jews, subjugation of women, encouraging slavery, allowing using lies to promote and protect islam, treating non-muslims as second-class citizens. The list of barbarism found in islam is endless. And unlike the barbarism found in the Bible, most in the old testament, the koran is to be taken literally according to all islamic traditions (sunnah), and all good muslims are encouraged to follow the example of Muhammed, whos' life is described in the Hadiths. Which is why pedophilia is allowed in islam, since muhammed married a 6 year old girl, Aisha, and consumed the marriage (raped her) when she was 9. Which is also the lower age of (legally) marrying girls in Iran.
     
  19. #40 tharedhead, May 16, 2010
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    Were the unbelivers in question all supposed to be Jews, I thought Islam was in conflict with a variety of local Pagan beliefs as well?

    Many religions have a "my God is going to kick your God's ass and kill you all" section. Mine does. Check out Deuteronomy :eek: Don't forget, other countries were not taking in fleeing Jews either, and they did not have the Koran as an excuse
    The Tragedy of the S.S. St. Louis

    Arranged marriages...and the exact age of Aisha..

    Thereby giving me an excuse for Hendrix...hey, any excuse for Hendrix :)

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8BBipmqKxg]YouTube - Jimi Hendrix If 6 Was 9[/ame]
     

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