The following theory is very loosely based on reality, however, I was stoned when I thought of this and it was very interesting/fun to think about it is based on the following IFS what if an advanced human civilization (atlantis) has existed for at least 10,000 years (possibly 26000) what if this civilization understood and applied near light travel what if this civilization advanced much differently than our own and thus did not spread throughout the entire world as we did but remained isolated what if this civilization needed to find a suitable planet for survival because there existed some threat to the earth I make the following wild assumption If the Atlantians somehow grasped interstellar flight and could travel at near light speeds one could imagine that it would be very very difficult to find a planet they could call home again. They may travel the universe for centuries without ever finding another planet as hospitable as earth. BUT WHAT IF? the atlantians intended to use the near light speed ships not to travel to another world but to travel in time to return to earth when the threat could be averted? Lets say that 10000 years ago they began traveling in (relatively) straight path with the near light speed vessel. I would imagine that at those speeds it would be incredibly difficult to navigate and essentially you would have to travel in a straight line. However they could use immense gravitational fields to navigate for them and arrive at their destination. So i'm proposing this. What if the atlantians intentionally traveled at near light speeds to use the milkys super massive black hole to do a U TURN and return back to earth by 2012? from wiki 26,000 ± 1,400 light-years is the distance to the center of the galaxy due to the galaxy expanding this number may have varied ten thousand years ago but their mathematics/astronomy would have been advanced enough to calculate a trip to the center of the milkyway (rather its edges to take advantage of the curve in space time) and use it to return to earth at a later date, say 2012 when the earth and the center of the galaxy would be in alignment...the mathematics and astronomy is far beyond my level of understanding, but I instinctively believe the center of the galaxy could be used to sling shot a near light speed traveler back to earth and maybe thats what the atlantians did. according to plato the atlantians taught the egyptians/greeks just about everything and people speculate they taught the mayans astronomy It is an improbable possible but extremely fun to think about this is what i'm envisioning
Its a cool story, if anything turn it into a fictional book. But I mean its all speculation until you find all the traces of these lightspeed ships and supercities. Its all about evidence in the end. I agree though it is an awesome thing to consider. Now I'd cut the Mayans out because they very likely did it on their own. But I like to think that if Atlantis DID in fact exist, and wasn't just another allegory, it would be the continent of South America. I got lots of blither to back me up, but meh..
From Wiki Time dilation and space flight Time dilation would make it possible for passengers in a fast-moving vehicle to travel further into the future while aging very little, in that their great speed slows down the rate of passage of on-board time. That is, the ship's clock (and according to relativity, any human travelling with it) shows less elapsed time than the clocks of observers on Earth. For sufficiently high speeds the effect is dramatic. For example, one year of travel might correspond to ten years at home. Indeed, a constant 1 g acceleration would permit humans to travel as far as light has been able to travel since the big bang (some 13.7 billion light years) in one human lifetime. The space travellers could return to Earth billions of years in the future. A scenario based on this idea was presented in the novel Planet of the Apes by Pierre Boulle. A more likely use of this effect would be to enable humans to travel to nearby stars without spending their entire lives aboard the ship. However, any such application of time dilation during Interstellar travel would require the use of some new, advanced method of propulsion. Current space flight technology has fundamental theoretical limits based on the practical problem that an increasing amount of energy is required for propulsion as a craft approaches the speed of light. The likelihood of collision with small space debris and other particulate material is another practical limitation. At the velocities presently attained, however, time dilation is not a factor in space travel. Travel to regions of space-time where gravitational time dilation is taking place, such as within the gravitational field of a black hole but outside the event horizon (perhaps on a hyperbolic trajectory exiting the field), could also yield results consistent with present theory.
interesting thought. very interesting. And none of them would be dead because when traveling at light speed what seem like years to us seems like seconds to them.
Damn, I hate saying it. But the Atlantis you believe in was invented by HP Blavatsky, then embellished by a fraud channeller called Edgar Cayce. A guy called Ignatius Donnelly also had a big hand in the story too (worth reading about him, interesting character), but...What Plato described was fiction, set within a play, it was a piece of satire, an allegory for the political situation at the time. He didn't think there really was such a race. All the stories of very advanced races with death rays, lights, and a large landmass are from later authors and are nothing more than supposition - or in Blavatsky's case, deliberate lies. Poor old Atlanteans, advanced enough to grasp interstellar flight but wrong about the impeding catastrophe. Cor, I'll bet they're annoyed... MelT
What I heard was that Plato was referring to Minoa. But as for myself - I personally believe Atlantis as ATLANTIS actually existed. Where? Check out the Great Bahama Shelf on Google Earth. The deepest the area gets is 60 feet, and the area is gigantic. When the sea-levels were lower (before the Ice-age, that whole shelf was above-water. ALSO, check out all of the continental shelves on Google Earth. They all get to 2,000 deep at the deepest. Before the Ice-age as well, these were most definitely above water too... I really don't think Atlantis was the only ancient civilization that was technologically advanced. Not by a long-shot.
to MELT I know its sounds stupid, It is in fact all pretty much unfounded. However there is some evidence of advanced civilizations previous to 6,000 bc. The sphinx for example was not created by the egyptians. Similarly in south america, the nasca lines and certain architecture would point to technology far more advanced than that predicted by archeologists. For example one of the "roads" at the nasca lines would seem to imply technology that was capable of vaporizing a mountain, or architecture in south america would imply the technology of diamond drill bits and advanced mathematics...thousands of years before they were thought possible I know its a lot of speculations... but again, fun to think about. It would be nonsense for me to actually defend the existence of atlantis, but at the very least I will keep my mind open to a similar civilization...
Atlantis obviously wasn't Minoan Crete, Plato described a continent WEST of the Pillars of Hercules, also describing the rare metal oricalcum (which was recently discovered in South America and exclusively there). The Greeks knew well of Crete and Plato would have just said the Cretans.
Honestly, it sounds like you've been reading a bunch of internet conspiracy theories and you put them together into one big conspiracy theory. As they intended you to do.
Lol, wouldn't your statement be considered a conspiracy theory? I can't really tell from the text if that was intended but its funny nonetheless and yes i suppose I did condense a lot of conspiracy theories, theres a lot of possibles and not all of them are probable , but its fun to think about the improbable, when the possible that has resulted in this sometimes mundane life is not enough Its what drives innovations, and as probable as future failures are, any progress is impossible without a leap of faith
I consider my statement my opinion, so you're free to consider it anything you deem necessary. As I did to yours. Indeed! it is very fun to think and make things up! but sometimes people don't recognize their own intentions and misguide people unknowingly. Don't mind me, just be careful with what you distribute out there. Theres already alot of confusion lurking out there.
Indeed, it is important to differentiate what we know and what we know is possible, and ultimately to act with wisdom with what we know is possible and act with skepticism with what we know is probable but still first we must consider the improbable before we can apply any skepticism, If we based everything on what we could see with visible light, the most we could possibly learn is 1% of that which is conveyed by the electromagnetic spectrum, sometimes the "seeing is believing" can severely impair our pursuit of knowledge, but similarly assuming we can simply imagine what we see in the shadows in a pursuit of truth is just as fruitless in all things we must find a balance
Then you're talking about a different Atlantis than that which Plato described (it being fictional and everything. It also varies vastly in size in all three 'channeled' descriptions of it, from a small island to a continent. It also changes in these same three theories (and in David Icke, Tsarion and Melchizedek's versions too) in terms of population and technology and has a demise anywhere between 10 and 20 thousand years ago. So really what you're deciding upon can only be personal opinion, based on a number of untrue theories - none of which fit with Plato. There are a lot of areas of the earth that have been submerged/exposed over the last 50, 000 years, it doesn't make any of them Atlantis. There's also a vast shelf off New Zealand, that'sbeen going up and down for millions of years. Being submerged doesn't automatically make it Atlantis, particularly as said above, that it's in the wrong direction to be Plato's Atlantis, even if he hadn't meant it as fiction. I really don't think Atlantis was the only ancient civilization that was technologically advanced. Not by a long-shot.[/QUOTE] [quote name='iMPREPREX']It really depends what you mean by advanced? Civilisation as we know it (ie, moving from being a hunter gathereer society) happened in Turkey around 12, 000 years ago. The Sumerians and the Egyptians weren't advanced for their time, they simply had the assistance of accumulated previous knowledge, as do we. Can you think of any civilisations, with times and locations, that you believe these advanced races to have existed in? And what makes you think that they did? MelT
I get really annoyed when these half baked pseudo histories get put into the science section. If its something that cannot be rationally proven all the way through, it doesn't belong there.
I know it's fun, but apart from the usual problems of no known artifacts (advanced beings using non-ferrous metals as supposed would leave them behind), and the lack of buildings. Every single civilisaton that has existed on earth has interacted with other races and traded with them, influencing everything from design to language, but there's nothing. There's no trace of them in our DNA, no stories of their exploits - apart from the ones made up by modern writers... I understand why you do extrapolate from the above, but again you're slightly off the mark. The Nazca lines were made simply by moving aside the surface rocks, no technology was needed. They seem to date to the late 300bc/650ad. Their size can be accounted for (not all are vast as implied, the biggest is about 700 feet long) by simple line-of-sight calculations. There is stonework in SA at places such as Machu Pichu where large stones are fitted so closely together by masons that you wouldb be hard pushed to get a sheet of paper between the stones, but again, no advanced technology was needed for this, just a stick chalk and other stones to shape the building blocks. A researcher and his team went there replicated the walls some years ago perfectly, using just these tools. Could you tell me any instance of more advanced work than this there? The Sphinx is certainly Egyptian BTW, built on top of - and from - one of the many rocky outcrops of a similar shape that fill the desert around it. The rock is obviously certainly older then the Egyptian civilisation, but the carving of the Sphinx that was made from it isn't. It was made somewhere after 2, 500 BC, possibly by Khafra or Khufu, builder of the 'Great Pyramid'. MelT
My apologies, as you say it cannot be rationally proven, however I am very interested in forming the calculations for "time" travel. How fast would you have to go to "skate" around a supermassive black hole? How long is the sun's orbit around the milkyway (wiki says 225,250 million years). Has the sun drifted towards or away or not at all from its center? And of course how would you attain near light speeds? By a gradual acceleration or a sudden one possible by unknown technology? These are things that are again a little iffy but worth discussing if you would rather shy away from atlantis or 2012 ideas, they're really not essential for time travel
In all honesty, you're probably right, the most logical explanation tends to be the simplest explanation. Most likely as you say, mankind was no where near interstellar time travel 20 to 10 thousand years ago, I mean they would have needed an entire infrastructure to build and carry out this technology, something we have no evidence for. What I propose is pure nonsense but it got me thinking on how we could use the milkyways center to shoot us back here I made this crappy diagram
Nothing wrong with thinking about stuff is there? Sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't, but it's good trying MelT
I don't think I believe in Atlantis but it's fun to think about it. Like, what if they lived at a point in time where they were superior to every other race, how you say they taught everyone. They ended up using a lot of their resources and were on the brink of extinction, so they devised a plan to travel somewhere in the future where resources will return (2010) and on that date in december, their whole island/continent appears back into the ocean from which they left (kinda like lost) and it creates massive earthquakes, tsunamis, etc. thus destroying earth. Hahahahaha so faded right now
im sorry to put a negative outlook onto such a cool thought, but im going to give you my input. the downfall of the whole light speed theory is that your mass would increase over the period of prolonged exposure to the high rate of speed. yet another downer to this is that even if a shrinking device was developed to combat the effects, great difficulties would have to be solved because even though you have been shrunk to the size of a pea so that you will be regular size after the trip, that pea would still weigh the same amount as it did in the original size. these are just factor to consider for anyone who would like to try and make this idea a reality