Another Tincture Thread - Try it, You'll like it

You have to reduce the whole thing first because of the water in the 151. You just want to add the least amount of fresh alcohol to reach your desired potency after it's become the gooey oil. If you make it too dilute and try to evaporate some off then you're going to run into the exact same situation as a bud original reduction. It will separate again and you'll have to do the full evaporation again then add less alcohol the next time. You can always dilute it more if it's too strong but why would you.

The difference is the 151 instead of your 190. It will still work for wax or the oil from reduction. You may need to warm it, just warm it for a few seconds, no more, so that the decarbed wax or oil will dissolve easier. Stir it well. This is true whether you start with wax, hash or flowers. The wax and hash are concentrated already and the original evaporation isn't necessary like the flowers.

If using 151 for bud then you have an extra step to make it a concentrate but once it has been turned to the gooey oil, you reconstitute it just like you would the decarbed wax or hash. You just want to use enough for the potency you want. If using flower then your final potency will be variable depending on how much you used. When using 151 for extracting bud or trim you need to differentiate between the original extraction and reduction and the reconstitution step. There are different factors at play.

 

It seems strange that small amount of excess moisture would have that kind of effect unless you're sensitive to that small of a increase.

 

It could be that. Many of the terpenoids are metabolites of others and it's possible the original compound isn't as friendly as its offspring.

 

I'm not surprised. You keep jumping around instead of getting one thing perfected at a time. You're trying to do too many things at once and letting other discussion here get you off track. It isn't rocket science but there are some things you have to pay attention to. You keep trying to hit a home run when you've barely learned how to swing the bat.

Maybe it's not for you. It's your decision. Tincture is much different than toking and has a bunch of nuances that can affect it. If you run up your tolerance instead of titrating then it's worthless. Not everybody gets it. If you'd make that trip for the 190 as suggested you might change your mind.

 

I'm happy to help, Yoda, and will continue to walk you through it until the cows come home if necessary. I'm not sure how you've gone through 9 oz in this short time since we didn't walk you through nearly that much. You started with that 3oz you used for the iso/151 concentrate but you had already done that.

The strains are important because they have different effects. I get the impression, though, that you're trying to reach a dab level effect without the dab. You're not going to get that from GD more than occasionally.because your brain is going to get accustomed to it just like other CB1 receptor compounds. Whenever you're ready I'll walk you through it. Forget the 151. Get the 190 whenever you can. I'm no stranger to cash flow issues. We'll be here when you're ready.

 

It depends on the terpenes. There are a couple left after a full decarb cycle but that's about it. I've done a few tests for comparison and found an average of 12 terpenes present of the 19 listed by my lab. Those vary by strain but the total number is similar and it's raw bud. I've never noticed more than 3 after decarb.

You can smell the terpenes vaporizing during the decarb. Those are the most volatile of the bunch but that's where the connection to boiling/vapor points end. Those designations are for vaping and not extended heat like a decarb for 40 minutes. The longer heat breaks the terpenes down into different metabolites, many of which have their own properties.

There are different kinds of terpenes and terpenoids with all kinds of structures and about 50% of them are more volatile than the others. The terpenes are the hydrocarbon structures whereas the terpenoids are the metabolites of those terpenes through oxidation and curing. That oxidation also takes place during the decarb as it does during normal curing. Without a bunch of science equipment we do the best we can to retain as much as possible.

 

While you may have a good stock of material, there's still no reason to waste it. Getting your process perfected by using small batches is much more efficient. It allows you to make a mistake like a jar falling over without losing sleep over it. You're trying to cram for an exam but you've only had the Cliff Notes version of the course and that seldom leads to full success. You may pass the course but we want you to be the head of the class.

Just hold up for a while. You're not going to get what you need from the 151 results so there's no need to continue to pursue that course of action. Once you get the 190 then many other options open up for you and then you can also start learning about your strains on a more intimate basis.

I know what you mean about the ER. I've been misdiagnosed several times and I've never left feeling better than when I went in. It took several visits to realize that I was on my own and to deal with the issues on my own. It's worked well so far.

I believe others will agree that it can get distracting trying to follow our conversations because we do cover so much ground and simultaneous discussions. Goodness only knows how I manage to keep things going at this level. I'm not sure there is an "off-topic" category here that could derail us but I'm also sure that we've lost people over the course of time because of our wide ranging discourse. The time will come, sooner than I want, when I won't be able to follow along, either, and it will be time to retire.

Never be sorry for seeking knowledge that can make your life and those around you better.

 

If you're looking for wake and bake Sativa effects, energetic and uplifting then you would probably want to use the Green Crack and maybe the Amnesia if you like that kind of effect. There are different types of Sativa THC effects. You have what most people think of, energy, clarity of mind, uplifting like you'd find in some of the landrace Sativas like Mexican, Columbian and some others but then you have others like Acapulco Gold, Maui, Waui, Nepalese and others that are more like a "trip" than a wake and bake. It's effects may still be energetic and uplifting but the head clarity is replaced by far more esoteric thoughts.

The Green Crack would be a good choice for whatever you make if you want that energetic, clear effect. The Amnesia will have more of that "trippy" effect. Amnesia Haze, on the other hand and like most Hazes, would be energetic. The difference in use might be the GC for the start of your day on a busy day when you have a lot to do. You might use the Amnesia on a day you may want some creativity and focus for a project. Both are Sativas but each has it's own personality.

The unknown Sativas will fall in the same category as above and you'll determine how to use those once you've smoked them. Sativas are the hardest strains to match the ingestion profile with the toking profile because of all the nuances. The White Widow and your Northern Lights and cross' will be much easier to dial in for your ingestion.

This may be your best bet for what you're seeking. It's probably the only thing short of dabbing that will get you the fast relief you seek. You can use the other products but if you need something fast, the pen would probably be something you should explore when you get the 190. Brass uses the GD with ejuice with a drip atomizer and I've seen others that do it also. Check it out.

 

A drip atomizer is closer to dab than a cartridge and your GD will provide the effects. BrassNwood is better versed in that than I am. I've had some solventless cartridges that have kicked my butt but never had much luck at making my own. If we can get a good QWET process for you then you'll have a lot more pen options.

The next lesson is going to be the first one all over again without the 151 influence. Just a 7g batch. We'll go from there.