Another Tincture Thread - Try it, You'll like it

Yeah, I've always made the "Dragon Oil" instead of reducing all the way down to rso using the transfer. I've made rso when it was needed specifically for something but always preferred the transfer. I've started to have issues with oils over the last few years thanks to liver problems so I haven't made any Dragon oil in a while. That will be the next thing I do so that I can compare that directly with rso for my current medical needs. A lot of people really like the Dragon oil

Have you seen the last guide I posted a couple of weeks ago about the double saturation extraction for making GD or rso? I have started writing out the details going along with the video over in the Dragon Lite thread with the intention of then copying it over here. However, I've just gotten as far as the filtration with the reduction still to go.

I used some 13% bud that yielded 6g of rso and I must say that it works very well at .25g dosing but I still want to compare the Dragon oil against it. Here's the link in Dragon Lite that has the written details up to the reduction. Hopefully I'll get it finished in a day or two then copy it over here. Right now it's rough for me to sit for long at my keyboard so I have to work around that.

Dragon Lite.....another Tincture Thread

 

I don't use 2 full washes for hash. After the main extraction I'll use a couple of ml to rinse it a little but not much. You can always do it like the oil and leave the hash in it. That can get a little gritty, though.

 

Believe it or not, I have not deserted the ship. I apologize for not being more active but I'm logged in everyday in case something comes up and I'm needed. But mostly I've just been following along and liking the discussions.

I'm hoping to finally get some action going on my neck now that the doctor and insurance are on the same page. For now, though, it still getting harder to lift my head for very long so I still won't be very active for a while.

However, I have not been idle. I have been continuing to work on the inactive medical tincture for viral infections including one with mct oil but that one takes a bit of doing. I've made an inactive GD that I'm going to use as the THCa component for the tincture because THCa isolate is so expensive but the isolate is easier to add to oil that uses no heat which could activate it. I'm going to do a natural solvent transfer, I suppose you'd call it. I'm going to mix the mct oil and the GD and let it natually evaporate just to see how the bonding goes with that. I'm thinking that I'm need some low heat at the end to achieve that but not enough for it to convert to THC.

Anyway, I will have something on that in the coming days but please bear with me.

 

So what do your friends think about the things you've learned here at GC?

 

The natural decarb is very simple since you don't decarb it first. It's made exactly the same way except for that. If it's a hash tinture then it won't need to be reduced but if you're using shake, you'll probably reduce it some. For a natural decarb you would let it reduce naturally without heat.Then just stick it in a dark cupboard for 4 months, sealed. If you want to monitor it personally you can always try it as it cures so you can see just how it changes over that timeframe.

 

Anti-Viral Cannabinoid Tinctures
THCa, CBDa & CBGa


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This is following the same path as my previous posting about the new information concerning the acidic cannabinoids CBDa and CBGa and their potential for treating covid in the early stages. THCa is the other cannabinoid and it's supposed to be the most helpful of the group. However, I was designing that for those who did not want any association with THC. Because these cannabinoids will lose that carboxyl group and become decarbed, having a high dose THCa change to high dose THC could become a problem for some. The others won't cause any psychoactivity but that THC sure will.

In this posting we are going to incorporate THCa into our blend. It is said to be king of the hill in providing the health benefits. Also, medically, it is supposed to be about 10 times more potent than THC so here we're going to try to add THCa to our tincture without activating it and that is going to pose a problem for the MCT oil. I bought some CBDa and CBGa isolates, 10g each, for about $60 and those can just be added to any medium. The THCa isolate is available but it is too expensive for me. So how do I get around that?

I'm going to try something new. I have made an inactive GD with 10g of flower, no decarb, and I am going to try a "natural" solvent transfer by mixing the two then letting the alcohol evaporate with no heat. I don't know what's going to happen when it's fully reduced. Will it bond like that or will I need to give it some heat and how much to preserve that carboxl group? We're going to find out.

We started this line of research a couple of months ago when the news came out about the acidic cannabinoids and their possible effect on Covid-19. CBDa, CBGa and THCa are the cannabinoids being discussed. I was wanting to make this without the THCa for a friend who isn't comfortable with THC isomers. Since the THCa can convert to THC in time and become psychoactive, I thought it best to start without it. The other two, CBDa and CBGa are supposed to be effective for this. Here's that link if you want to review it.

Another Tincture Thread - Try it, You'll like it

In that one I used hemp flower that was high in CBDa and CBGa. To get high CBD and CBG it would need to be decarbed. So I made an alcohol tincture without decarb, "inactive". This also would include all the natural terpenes since there is no heat to vaporize them so it's a "natural tincture".

This version will also be "natural" but it will include THCa extracted from flower for an alcohol version and also an oil version, both full spectrum. It will be full spectrum because it's extracted from flower but we're going to cheat a little. The full spectrum will be extracted from the THCa flower but then the CBDa and CBGa will be added as an isolates instead of flower. However, if one does not have access to those, they can always use the high CBD, CBG hemp flower for the same results.

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In this post we're going to add THCa to the initial formula of CBDa and CBGa. We extracted it using hemp that was high in CBDa and CBGa and not enough THC isomers to make a difference. We're making this one using an alcohol extraction but it is a standard THC extraction without the decarb so that it's "inactive". Since it was a research project I only used a single wash, I guess you'd call it a "nug run". I didn't reduce it at that point. I had used minimal alcohol and recovered 45ml of inactive very bright green GD from 10g of 13% flower so it should have enough THCa concentration.

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So here I have the inactive THCa tincture. I could add the isolates now but this is intended to be a MCT oil tincture so I'm going to wait until I've transferred the GD to 60ml of the oil. And because we want to keep it inactive, we don't want any excessive heat for any period of time. So this is going to naturally evaporate. The "research" in this research project is to determine if a natural solvent transfer is viable. Will it bond? Evenly distributed?

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The image on the right above shows 60ml of mct oil and another 45ml of the inactive GD with the GD sitting on the oil. I let it sit out for 2 days at room temperature until it seemed to all evaporate. There doesn't appear to be any residue left on the side of the beaker.

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There hasn't been any heat used up to this point because we're making an inactive oil that contains all the natural terpenes as well as retaining the acid cannabinoids. Heat, even low heat, will release those carboxyl groups given enough time. But I don't know if the cannabinoids left behind from the transfer have bonded or dispersed evenly just from the evaporation so I placed it on my coffee warmer until the oil reached 90°-105°F. I would then take it off for a while and then warm it up again, about 4-5 times. Gently. It never got hot enough for long enough to initiate conversion to THC. Remember, though, that this is still just the inactive THCa extraction. The CBDa and CBGa still need to be added.

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Now it's time to finish building our medical tincture. The extraction of the flower provided us with our THCa but there's not enough CBDa and CBGa to matter. We want high percentage of all three of the acid cannabinoids and in order to achieve that I'm going to use isolates for those two. I used one gram of the CBGa and a gram of the CBDa and lost a little there due to my hand shaking.

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I again warmed the tincture to about 90°F since I was trying to dissolve the isolates into it. That's not really very warm and shouldn't cause any conversion. The isolates didn't dissolve very easily at that low temperature but I didn't want to heat it any higher or longer. I then let it sit for a day or so and stirred it occasionally until it all dissolved. This is the finished product.

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This tincture needs to be kept refrigerated to inhibit the conversion of those cannabinoids, especially the THCa. While I've made this as an anti-viral agent, it is also supposed to be a heavy anti-inflammatory, anti-cancer agent as well as being a treatment for MS, Parkinson's and other nervous system issues. Since I don't have a fever or other viral symptoms, it's diffiult to try it out to see if it works so I've decided to see how it works as an anti-inflammatory. I have lots of inflammation to try it out on. I have been using it daily in a capsule. I tried to use it sublingually but it was bitter as hell so the capsule was a better way. I expect the bitterness is from the gram each of CBDa and CBGa in just 60ml of oil. It's working real well. Very noticeable.

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