America

Discussion in 'Philosophy' started by wompum, Apr 4, 2003.

  1. Hypocritical goverment policies,Bush and his John Wayne mentality,the obvious corruption of the upper levels of business,the lies about WMD,the recent exposure of certain US forces abuse of Iraqi prisoners,I don't envy Americans I think that it is one of the most racially and religiously divided countries in the world.
    I'm also not keen on the everyone can have a gun brigade, the more guns there are the easier it is for the morons of the world to get hold of them.

    The USA kicks ass braindead jocks who think that America can win any war shouldn't forget a little Asian country called Vietnam.

    Hopefully one day the sensible people of America will put a stop to all the bullshit, but I'm not holding my breath for that to happen.
     
  2. I did. You must have changed it. You like Herbalizer? One of my favourit bands


    As for the original post...hate is such a strong word. I don't dislike america ('specially south, haha) and don't dislike americans. But I can't accept the american foreign policy. 's arrogant, selfgood and ignorant. And from what I hear, there's a lot of poverty, shit jobs with low wages and a health system that doesn't work well in america either. But you can't judge a people by their leaders.
     


  3. you have no idea what your talking about, i think america should have pot illegal, way back when alchohal was illegal people still did it and once it was legalized more did it and there was more deaths, i think that if we were to legalize marijuana in 50 years they would be trying to legalize cocaine, its all just a cycle, and it has to stop before it gets to out of hand where our president cant help our country because he is on a trip, a shroom trip
     

  4. wrong. People hate america because you're arrogant fucking pricks. And you think that brute force solves all. But I don't want to get into an argument about which country is better. They all have their problems, there is no perfect system, and no one country is better than another.

    Just letting you know how it really is from the viewpoint of "America Jr."
     

  5. Do I understand this correctly? You are for the War On Drugs??
     

  6. now all im saying is if everyone did pot and it was made legal it would be a bad thing because people would be trying to legalize other drugs, i think pot isnt that bad of a drug but it should stay illegal


    p.s. im against any form of war, i think fighting wars is optuse and should be dealt with in a positive way, as in maybe if people could only smoke weed in a house, and dont drive on it like alchohal, it might work but people will still do it and kill inocent people, so either way leglizing it brings death
     

  7. Blocko's jealous of us Americans... ;)




    Oh well.... There isn't any other country I'd want to live in... guess thats all that counts to me..
     
  8. ^ u dont wanna live in a nation where health care is available to all citizens? not just the rich
     
  9. why run to another country instead of fixing the one you live in? and I like my health care. lol

    edit: Just noticed ludachris, yer post count, 420, haha
     

  10. heh, when i first made that post my sig was something about the war, and yes, anyone who can should pick up something by herbalizer or roots manuva
     

  11. You don't know what we think, or even who we are. Our governmental policies are that of our government and we the people only vote for two parties generally, one of them wins and we basically go with their ideals. It's not our(the citiznes') fault what our government does, for all we know the 'other guy' at any given time could have done twice as bad(or good).



    What about the 50% income tax in socialist countries? Kinda evens that out real fast, eh?
     

  12. That's a bad argument, I don't even have to do the math and I can tell you that it would take far less than a 50% income tax to provide healthcare or even food and homes for all of america.
     

  13. What are you talking about? I'm saying if you earn 100,000 a year in America you would get maybe around $70,000. In a Socialist country it would be more like $50,000. Where do you think they get the money for medicare? It's more of a 'are you responsible enough to decide where your money goes" type thing than anything else, but I do agree it sure would come in handy if you had no job or a low paying one.
     

  14. I'm talking about we need to find a perfect mix of capitalism and socialism, not one or the other. We easily have enough money in this country to house all of our citizens, feed them and give them healthcare. Personally I think the answer isn't to force people to give up money but to have an income cap. I'm sorry but no one's going to convince me that they need billions of dollars all to themself. And I did spend a great deal of my life in poverty, I know from first hand experience that it exists in america. If it weren't for social programs such as medicaid/medicare I might not be alive right now.
     

  15. The same applies to Britain man, I never will understand how entertainers and sportsmen can earn millions while our surgeons head for foriegn shores to earn a decent living.

    It don't make sense to me.????
     
  16. (WARNING AMATEUR QUOTER)

    Originally posted by stevebruser424:
    _____________________________________________
    now all im saying is if everyone did pot and it was made legal it would be a bad thing because people would be trying to legalize other drugs, i think pot isnt that bad of a drug but it should stay illegal


    p.s. im against any form of war, i think fighting wars is optuse and should be dealt with in a positive way, as in maybe if people could only smoke weed in a house, and dont drive on it like alchohal, it might work but people will still do it and kill inocent people, so either way leglizing it brings death
    _______________________________________________

    Hey, Legalizing or Illegalizing, it is only utilized when your government all out loses it's interest in it's people's welfare. They'd rather spend your taxes on buffing up a stronger imperialist police force to send abusers and nonabusers to jail. Rather, than find a more intelligent solution, and don't ask ME what that solution is, because I truthfully don't know that answer. I just think it's sad when your government (mine for example) invests tons of money in a police force targetted to it's own people, because of their Fucked problems (Stealing, Drug Abuse, Cigarrettes,Rape....etc.) Haha..This is coming from from a guy who is guilty of every one of those, EXCEPT RAPE! ( i just realized where that statemne t was leading me) That is truly the plague of all plagues, and that from which it sprouts from is truly immoral as it's predecessors.

    In conclusion, my society is crumbling under it's laws and so called "rights." I'm as well disgusted by the famine of heroes not arising from the ashes to which our troubled lives are piling.
     

  17. Well whatever, you said 'that's a bad argument' Then when I pointed out how it wasn't, you could've been like 'yea, you were right,' but no.

    And how is the answer not to force people to give up money, but rather to prevent them from earning it?? It's both or neither, and neither is the only way it's ever gonna work.
     

  18. You're argument was bad because america isn't a socialist country and wouldn't have to be to achieve universal healthcare and many other large scale social programs. Therefore the income tax rate of socialist countries doesn't matter. And please, tell me why anyone needs to have billions of dollars to themselves when a tiny percentage of that could easily buy enough food for everyone in america? Once we stamp out poverty then go ahead and get as much money as you'd like. People seem to forget that every thing you own, every cent in your pocket is something that someone else doesn't have, and they may very well need it.
     

  19. First off, you can't use the word 'therefore' if one thing has nothing to do with the other. Why exactly doesn't the income tax rate of socialist countries matter when I'm comparing the income tax rate of the US to THE INCOME TAX RATE OF SOCIALIST COUNTIRES.

    All 'my argument' ever was, was we pay 30% income tax in the US while most socialist countries pay 50%. They have free healthcare for all citizens, we don't. I never said one is better than the other, I actually remember using the words 'evens it out.'

    Now onto the billionaires. I actually have similar views to you on this topic, but I have come to the realization that it can't feasibly happen(evening out the huge gap between the rich and the poor). Money drives the economy, and forcing people to give it away or putting out salary caps would just never happen. Rich people lobby and get their way. Most of the govenment is rich.
     

  20. First off, you can't us the phrase 'first off' if there's no second :p Second, I don't understand how my words aren't related. I'm saying that whether or not some socialist country has universal healthcare and a 50% income tax (I don't know of any btw) that wouldn't necesarrily be true for us. It's obvious to me that this country could afford universal healthcare without a 1/2 income tax. Do you understand now or should I RETYPE IT IN CAPS JUST TO MAKE SURE?


    Okay but please do me a favor and specify which countries you're talking about. I wasn't gonna push that point but you keep mentioning it.


    Which is why the founding fathers put impliments into the consitution to avoid undue power in the hands of the corrupt. Namely the second ammendment and elections.
     

Share This Page