now your narrowing it down to human consumption. Before you said everything. There's still a difference between legal and regulated. A cannabis plant will never be legal as a house plant. They are beautiful and as a decorative plant it wouldn't be for human consumption. There's always going to be a governing force that regulates the sales and distribution of things. That's not at all what I'm talking about. Back to my aloe vera example. As a gardener its legal for me to grow how many ever aloe vera plants I want. I can benifit from those plants however I want unregulated. Cannabis will never be legal like that, therefore as a gardener it will always be regulated and never be legal. If it was legal anyone could plant 200 plants for personal use and stock piles in jars, in every so called legal state. They're regulated states, not legal
Just about everything legally sold is regulated. I can't really think of much that isn't. The only things that have very little regulations aside from a basic tax and label are brand new products that enter the market, that almost always end up being more regulated. Point is almost everything that's legally bought and sold has some regulation attached to it. I brought up human consumption because our subject is more relative to that. Your aloe vera, though legal for you to grow for personal consumption and no plant count limit, is still regulated by the FDA. Marijuana just has more regulations than aloe vera, and even more so than alcohol, even though it's being presented to the public that it's supposed to be regulated like alcohol. If you truly believe that marijuana will not be regulated like alcohol, that's your personal belief, but I believe that once it's federally legalization the demand will want a market for it that's similar to alcohol, and with that comes the personal garden. I think below this is where people draw the line on "watered down legalization". I understand because of federal law it may be hard to write an initiative like that, but many of the "stakeholders" writing these initiatives seem to be making them more restrictive for their own personal monetary gain, at the expense of everyone else, because they see an opportunity. Eventually, I don't see any reason that if the public wants it, that it won't have regulations at least on par with alcohol, with it being deemed less harmful than booze.
What about those counties I mentioned earlier? If they vote to ban home grows and shops. Do their opinions not matter? I'm all for regulating it like booze, and yes we will lose a few rights ( personally I don't believe we'll lose growing rights but that's me) but we will have a much better system than the current.
my aloe vera plant is not regulated. Are you saying the fda regulates the aloe i have in my house. Lol that's absurd. Aloe vera bought at the store is regulated by the fda, I never once mentioned that. Its legal for me to grow aloe vera unregulated. Until I can grow and possess cannabis in the same way its just regulated. You said everything legal is regulated I'm saying its not. Tomatoes bought at the store= regulated. Tomatoes grown at home= unregulated. Cannabis bought at a legal dispensary= regulated. Cannabis grown in a legal home grow= regulated
Why don't you think we'll lose our growing rights? That is the current trend lately. Either that or you have to go through the hoops with licensing to grow a few plants. The AUMA is still allowing cities to "regulate, but not completely ban" your 6 indoor plants, which means they can even restrict that right an inch away before a complete ban. To keep semantics simple : Your aloe vera plant itself is regulated, just as all food crops are by classification, it just isn't subjected to stricter regulations where you label it and such until you start selling it. Depending where you live there are jurisdictions that will "overregulate" your garden and will harass you over growing certain plants /growing too many vegetables. There are minor codes and regulations on everything that people don't think about because there's one for almost everything. But most things, including alcohol, aren't being nearly subjected to the regulations that are being proposed for weed. BTW, your pez candies that you purchased are also regulated, lol.
who regulates the plants I grow at home with exception of cannabis? I do not sell anything of any sorts. Everything I grow is for my personal use and is definetly grown without regulations, except for cannabis. The fda does not regulate my aloe vera. Who polices my legal aloe vera grow? Lol I do not sell it. At 1st you said everything legal is regulated. I agree everything bought and sold legally is regulated. Only thing is i wasn't talking about that, you changed it too that to fit your need. This is the 1st time I've discussed legally bought and sold other then the pezz. Which sure the manufacturer is regulated but I'm not. I can buy as much as I want legally along with millions of other products. Unfortunately i do not know how to make pezz at home or it could be completly unregulated to. Guess I'll stick to cannabis. It be a bitch raising the sugar cane and all. That shit gets tall. I do not sell any plants I have regulated or unregulated.
http://reformca.org/freedom/2016/01/10/run-away!-r... RUN AWAY! RUN AWAY! Why are MMRSA supporters now running for their lives? by Mickey Martin \t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tJan 10, 2016 "It is just a harmless little bunny," they said. I tried to tell them that the rabbit they were negotiating with was the most foul, cruel, and bad-tempered rodent they had ever set eyes on... That the rabbit had a vicious streak a mile wide, and was a killer! But none of them wanted to listen. They were so bold in their miscalculated predictions that the Medical Marijuana Regulation and Safety Act (MMRSA) was going to be great, finally providing some structure to the cannabis industry in California. They have wandered around for months since the passage of these three laws patting themselves on the back for helping create this "revolutionary†new regime of regulations that will govern the unique cannabis industry here in California. But apparently none of them, or the lawmakers who voted on the damn thing, actually read the law in its entirety or contemplated the repercussions of setting arbitrary deadlines; and trying to create a whole new State government agency that forces a dozen already established agencies to figure out how to all work together in harmony to regulate an existing billion plus dollar industry that has existed here for decades. The most egregious issue that we see is the decimating of patients" rights to cultivate their own cannabis in the State due to the March 1st deadline put into the law, apparently as a "mistake†(rolls eyes). The result was obviously not a mistake to the League of Cities or CA Police chiefs Association who immediately began encouraging municipalities across the State to incorporate a ban on cultivation to get ahead of the looming deadline. They even provided them with sample ordinance language to help them get moving in that direction… and the results have been catastrophic. What has resulted is cities and counties across the State moving to ban cannabis cultivation altogether in an effort to get something on the books before the erroneous deadline passes. They are not banning "commercial cannabis activity.†No… They are banning patients" right to cultivate their own cannabis, as well. Tens of thousands of patients, often in remote areas with little options for access, are now forced to be outlaws for growing a few plants for their personal use. In an effort to comply with the new laws (which a bunch of jackasses promised the community would be a positive thing), what we are seeing is a sweeping effort to outright make cultivating all cannabis illegal. Way to go. It is humorous to see the people who have been touting this as an amazing evolution for the cannabis community now backpedal as patients, activists, and citizens sharpen their pitchforks and light their torches. The likes of Nate Bradley with the California Cannabis Industry Association who called the laws a "significant victory for the industry†and who gave the Governor a virtual reach around upon signing the laws is nowhere to be found as these municipalities ban cultivation, which will ultimately limit supply, increase prices, and create a vast new era of prohibition in the State. His most current statements in the press have suddenly acknowledged that there are "a lot of negatives†in the law, and now refers to it as a "mixed bag.†Funny… It wasn"t such a mixed bag when you were blowing smoke up everyone"s ass about how great it was, and how your work was instrumental in its development. Good to know you have seen CCIA paying membership numbers spike tenfold since the inception of your lie and complicity in the destruction of the cannabis industry in the State. You are a real hero. Same goes for the self-inflated wannabe cannabis superhero, Hezekiah Allen, of the Cannabis Growers Association (formerly known as the Emerald growers Association). No sooner did the Governor"s pen hit the paper, when Hezekiah rebranded the EGA and set out on a statewide tour telling folks why they needed to give him money if they wanted to be a part of the new program. Yawn. Never saw that coming, player. I am never surprised when a slick-talking charlatan walks into town and starts shaking down the locals for cash to save them from themselves. The problem? The California Growers Association, and their fearless leader "Hez†have ZERO pull at any level of Government… Fed, State, or local. If anything, the lawmakers who they believe they are convincing find their arrogance amusing, while they disregard the approach completely and create laws to ban cannabis. Good old Hezekiah has gone around for months telling everyone why the MMRSA is the greatest thing since OG Kush. He is quoted in the SF Chronicle after the Governor signed the bills saying "This is the single best thing that could have happened.†Yeah? Maybe you want to tell that to the gigantic part of the population who has just been banned from growing their own medicine; but I doubt it. Cowards never apologize for their mistakes, and it seems that Allen continues to double down on his lies. He is now promising that the "fixes†being put forth will right the wrongs. Fat chance, kid. Is this your first day? Have you ever dealt with local government outside of your little triangle? Once something is passed it is incredibly hard to reverse. Local officials are not known for their courage or willingness to spend political capital on weedheads. Don"t worry. We will be waiting for your apology. Chances are a ban put in today will stay a ban for years to come. But keep giving your hard earned outlaw money to these CGA hucksters to "protect†you. Americans for Safe Access, and their California overlord, Don Duncan also touted the bills as "historic†and a "positive step†for the cannabis community. They went as far as stating, "ASA worked diligently with lawmakers for the last three years to win important concessions for patients. ASA made sure that the rights of individual patients to cultivate their own medicine without state licensing, regulation, or taxation was preserved.†Yet now that they see that their efforts in no way preserved the right of tens of thousands of patients, and instead supported a law that has resulted in their loss of rights to cultivate their own medicine, they still have yet to apologize. While the March 1 deadline was a glaring issue in my assessment of the laws, somehow the folks at ASA, and these other groups, seemingly just missed the "typo?†How? Why? What were you thinking? Now they want to cry that… "The deadline for local licensing of commercial medical cannabis in March has caused some cities to overreact,†Duncan said. "In some cases, local governments are even banning marijuana cultivation by individual patients. That was never the intent of the law, and it is unlikely that provision will remain in state law.†Anyone who read that part of the law with a critical eye could see that this would be the overwhelming result of the March 1st deadline, yet all of these geniuses just somehow missed it? In fact, I would go further to state that they even suggested it in an effort to overcome local opposition, and attempt to open areas of the state where lawmakers failed to act. It is certainly not an area that the League of Cities would have brought forth, even though they have used it to their strategic advantage by creating hysteria around it. The League of Cities would NEVER have made the State the "sole licensing authority†if a municipality failed to act by March 1. But what you won"t see is any of these folks taking any responsibility for the major fuck up. Nope. They will continue to put lipstick on that pig until you get drunk enough to want to bang it again. I will continue to pass. Thanks. CA NORML, and their leader Dale Gieringer also decided to support the MMRSA going as far as stating… "MMRSA is a helpful first step in what will be a lengthy legalization process.†Helpful how? To who? Here is another group who is supposed to be fighting for the cannabis community"s rights, and somehow they just "overlooked†the deadline mistake too. He is also hopeful that a meaningless letter from Jim Wood, one of the bills authors, will somehow "help cool down local officials who have been stampeding to restrict cultivation without adequate consideration.†Keep dreaming, man. You guys left the door wide open and are now surprised that public officials have driven a truckload of cultivation bans through it? Who left you in charge of anything again? With friends like these…. The deadline that has not gotten as much fanfare has come and gone too. January 1, 2016 was the deadline for cannabis businesses to be in "good standing†with their local jurisdictions to receive priority licensing. The problem is that NO ONE on the production side of the industry is in good standing with shit. We have been left out in the cold all of these years, and now have no right to any priority over those who will certainly flock to the industry when licensing fires up. Nope… You are just another number in a sea of numbers. But when the other looming deadline of January 1, 2018 comes and there are not enough licensed producers to fill the shelves of the dispensaries just remember we had this conversation. So what else did they forget or overlook? How many more "typos†are in these laws? How many times will these fools eat crow on their decision to support this effort, and in turn the overzealous regulatory regime they now want you to support in the Sean Parker Adult Use of Marijuana Act? As we get further down the rabbit hole and they begin to realize that they were accessories to this crime that will destroy the cannabis industry for years, will they ever apologize for their "mistakes?†No… No they will not. They will continue to talk out of the side of their mouths about how they had to make these concessions, and how the laws would have been so much worse without their public support for them. But what about the word, "NO.†Did you ever think of that? The reason they even allowed certain "representatives†of the cannabis community (and I use that term loosely as none represent me, or any of the folks I work with) a seat at the drafting table was because we indeed do have a lot of power. If those who were charged with fighting for our rights actually grew a sack of nuts and simply said, "NO. We will not support this bullshit,†maybe there could have been a more sensible solution. But these folks, so enamored with their 15 minutes of fame on the big legislative stage, decided to roll over and play dead. They agreed to "do something†rather than doing nothing, even if that "something†will prove to be detrimental to most of those people they claim to represent. Don"t do me any favors. Thanks. Sometimes the best deal is no deal; but the sense of urgency to get something in place before the 2016 effort has proven do nothing more than shoot ourselves in the foot; and has now developed the framework for just as bad of a law for adult use as medical use. You guys are geniuses. So as the hellfire and brimstone reigns down on the industry, and everyone wakes up to the fact that what they helped to do was literally shut down 90% of the current cannabis industry in favor of an overregulated mess that will severely limit who can pay to play, just watch as they run further and further away from their once full-throated support for this mess. The deed is done though. Your impatience and inexperience in government relations has left you wondering what the fuck happened and trying to figure out how to make lemonade out of the huge pile of lemons you left us with. The "harmless little bunny†just chewed your goddamn head off and all you have to say is it must have been a typo and that you hope it gets fixed. It is like playing cards with my sister"s kids. You folks are worse at this than even I could have imagined, and now we all get to pay for it… So RUN AWAY! RUN AWAY! Run far away and never come back…. Please. Thanks.
http://news.yahoo.com/california-marijuana-growers... California marijuana growers face new crop of local bans By LISA LEFF 5 hours ago SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) - When the California Legislature passed the state's first comprehensive medical marijuana regulations in September, pot advocates hoped the move heralded a new era of trust in their often-tumultuous relationship with wary local officials and police. So far, it hasn't turned out that way. Facing what appears to be a rapidly closing window for action, dozens of cities and counties from across California are racing to enact new bans on marijuana-growing. Some apply only to commercial cultivation, both indoor and outdoor, but many would also prohibit personal pot gardens that have been legal - or at least overlooked - for 19 years. "Any other industry that created four months of seasonal labor and hundreds of thousands of jobs...we would be giving tax breaks to those businesses," medical marijuana dispensary owner Robert Jacob, a member of the Sebastopol City Council who has been fighting pot-growing bans proposed in Sonoma County. At issue is a paragraph in the 70-page framework approved in the closing hours of the legislative session that would give the state alone authority to license growers in jurisdictions that do not have laws on the books by March 1 specifically authorizing or outlawing cultivation. Lawmakers involved in crafting the package say the deadline ended up by mistake in the final compromise regulations. Assemblyman Jim Wood, a Democrat who represents California's prime pot-growing region, included it in earlier versions as a way to free local governments from a responsibility they might not want, spokeswoman Liz Snow said. "It was a way to try to make it clearer in terms of, 'OK, local jurisdictions. If you want to act, you should be thinking about it, working on it now. Otherwise, we will all defer to the state,'" Snow said. Even before Gov. Jerry Brown signed the regulations, which create the first statewide licensing and operating rules for California's sprawling medical marijuana industry, Wood announced he would introduce an emergency bill this month deleting the March 1 deadline. The League of California Cities and the California Association of Police Chiefs, while supporting the fix, nonetheless have advised their members to enact cultivation bans ahead of the original cutoff date as a precaution to preserve local control. The two groups fought hard last year for provisions stating that to be eligible for licenses the state expects to start issuing in about two years, anyone involved in the commercial medical marijuana trade must first obtain a local operating permit. Tim Cromartie, a lobbyist with the League of California Cities, said the guidance to ban all medical marijuana growing outright stemmed from the conclusion that the short time frame did not give local officials enough time to draft, debate and refine their own cultivation rules. "Most cities, their staff have no clue how to begin writing one of these ordinances. Their first thought is, 'Don't the feds prohibit this? How can we do this?'" Cromartie said. "We know of jurisdictions that didn't want to have to ban, but they did it under the point of a gun." With new proposals being introduced and voted on almost daily, no one knows yet how many of California's 58 counties and 482 cities have taken the league's advice. The California branch of the National Organization for the Repeal of Marijuana Laws, or NORML, which has been monitoring what it's termed "the banapalooza," said more than 160 jurisdictions either have passed or introduced legislation to outlaw only commercial cultivation or both commercial and personal growing. The crackdown has been a source of frustration for veteran pot farmers who hoped the new state regulations would bring clarity to their gray corner of the medical marijuana industry and instead find themselves "recriminalized," said Hezekiah Allen, executive director of the newly formed California Growers Association. Unless the local bans are lifted or modified, they would make medical marijuana growers in those areas automatically ineligible for the potentially lucrative and limited number of agriculture licenses the state expects to start issuing in 2018. "Certainly we have been disappointed with the League of Cities, how they have chosen to proceed," Allen said. "A lot of the jurisdictions had a predisposition to ban, and the March 1 deadline unfortunately gave them cover to ban."
Yes that's right!! it gives the counties options to have both delivery and walk in. Or just one of the two, or nothing at all. I don't believe that mmj is going to be outlawed in Cali. There is a coalition in San gabriel Valley in Los Angeles county that allows only delivery. But other cities (like Bakersfield) is very weed friendly and they love the tax revenue. Walk in dispensaries with green cross signs in plain view on every major blvd. As far as home grows are concerned, they don't want to see acres and acres. They don't want too much weed growing in 1 area, so they regulate that. Even if they completely outlaw personal home grows, do you think Cali stoners are gonna throw thier seeds away? Oh hell to the no!! The Emerald triangle will go to war, as that is thier primary source of income.
The Emerald Triangle isn't going to any "war". They are going to do what they've always done and this time just sell it to the black market. Cali Stoners who grow now in these banned areas are risking heavy fines / jail time. These bans were much less extreme with how far they enforced them legally before. The March 1st deadline has created even more chaos. I honestly cannot believe the AUMA text is modeled directly after this law without seeing how this is going to play out.