Aggressive War and Terrorism Are One and the Same! So Who Are the Real Terrorists?

Limecat · Mar 21, 2011

Seems appropriate given our current involvement in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Libya (who knows where else that we don't know about).

For those that don't know, LewRockwell.com is great.

Aggressive War and Terrorism Are One and the Same! So Who Are the Real Terrorists?

by Gary D. Barnett

Recently by Gary D. Barnett: The Intent of the U.S. Ruling Class Is Total Tyranny: We Must Stop It!

Do U.S. politicians and their puppets in the mainstream press really want to talk about terrorism and genocide happening in other countries? Do they really think that these accusations will not come back to haunt them? Contradictions and hypocrisy abound in this conversation, and it is about time that the truth is told.

According to Wikipedia, the word "terrorism" has over 100 meanings, and currently has no universally agreed upon, legally binding, criminal law definition. This is unfortunate, but most understand the real meaning whether they choose to apply it properly or not. The word "terror" comes from the Latin verb terrere meaning to be frantic with fear or terror. Generally speaking, terrorism is the use of violence or threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes. It is violent acts intended to create fear, and these acts are perpetrated for a religious, political or ideological goal, and deliberately target or disregard the safety of civilians. In November of 2004, a United Nations Secretary General report described terrorism as any act "intended to cause death or serious bodily harm to civilians or non-combatants with the purpose of intimidating a population or compelling a government or an international organization to do or abstain from doing any act." I think of terrorism as any act whatsoever intended to harm in any manner any innocent citizen or his property for the sake of gaining politically or economically, or by instilling fear so that these same ends can be achieved. In other words, any individual, group of individuals, or government apparatus that carries out any deliberate act of aggression that harms innocent civilians is committing a terrorist act! So who are the real terrorists in this world?

Certainly, anyone who straps a bomb to his body with the intent to harm others would be considered a terrorist. Any group that planned and carried out any act that would maim or kill innocents in order to make a political statement would be considered terrorists. But also, any government or nation-state that ordered and carried out aggressive military exercises that resulted in the deaths of innocent civilians, whether purposeful or not, would be committing acts of terror in my opinion. But those who practice self-defense by protecting themselves, their families, their friends, their countrymen, and their property from harm, whether individually or collectively, are certainly not terrorists!

So where does this leave us? The answer to a few questions might help us understand who or what is the real threat. Who instills the most fear worldwide? Who maims and kills the most civilians and non-combatants? Who gains more power, control, and wealth, and benefits the most due to terrorism?

If you answered al-Qaeda, you would be dead wrong. Of course, we in this country have been programmed by government and the media to immediately equate all terrorism with Muslims, the adherents of Islam, and while there are certainly plenty of Muslim terrorists, their numbers pale in comparison to the real terrorists among us. In fact, if one takes the time to research modern terrorism, it is evident that most believe it only applies to those individuals and fringe groups who are outside so-called democratic nations. Most, especially the neo-conservatives think that terrorism is the scourge of only democratic governments. The Arab world is far and away considered the main source of terrorism, but in my opinion, that is because of not only a lack of understanding by the masses of what terrorism really is, but also because governments and their puppets in the press have continually lied about the atrocities being committed.

I will make few friends with the following statement, but let me say clearly that in my opinion, the United States government, and those in the U.S. military who willingly do the bidding of the government by prosecuting immoral and aggressive wars and acts of hostility, and those who are partners in these crimes, are the worst terrorists in the world today! Bold as this may sound, let me explain why this is so.

Without question, the worst single terrorist act in United States history was the attack that took place on September 11, 2001. On that horrible day, 2,996 people were killed, and many others wounded. It was truly awful, and was purposely meant to harm the innocent. If one goes to Wikipedia and does a little research to find out what are supposed to be the worst terrorist attacks in history, the worst event listed since the 1940s is 9/11. But it is important to understand that the nuclear bombs purposely dropped on civilian centers in Hiroshima and Nagasaki in WWII, (remember our definitions) bombings that killed 200,000 innocent people, are not even mentioned as terrorist attacks for that period. The slaughter of innocents including many women and children at Waco by our own government is also not listed. Obviously, those entities reporting on such matters simply do not consider any attacks against innocents by the U.S. government as terrorism. They also ignore all U.S. attacks during wars, aggressive or not, even if targeted purposely against civilians, and do not consider them terrorist acts. This is telling. Remember, those bombs were dropped after the Japanese government, military, and Emperor had agreed to surrender, only asking that the Emperor remain in place. (John V. Denson explains the truth about these horrendous terrorist attacks in his article, The Hiroshima Myth.) These unwarranted attacks against Japan were far and away the two single greatest terrorist attacks in history!

No individual, group of individuals, or any country's government and it's complicit partners have in recent history caused as much death and maiming of innocents as the U.S. Empire. None! In my opinion, the U.S. has never been in any morally legitimate war since the American Revolution, and in the past century only the two world wars were congressionally declared. Even if I leave out all war and aggression prosecuted by the U.S before 1946, the list of aggressive actions and undeclared wars since is staggering. Over that period of time, American military interventions have been responsible for the death of millions, the wounding of many millions more, and the displacement of untold millions more; over 10 million refugees in just Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq alone. Many, if not most of these casualties were innocent civilians and non-combatants. No country or foreign government has attacked the U.S. during this period of time, yet U.S. forces have continually practiced aggression, including total war and occupation, against countries worldwide. These are but a recognizable few of the places that the U.S. has intervened militarily against in the past 65 years: The Philippines, Puerto Rico, Korea, Iran, Vietnam, Central America, Iraq, Cuba, Somalia, Yugoslavia, Bosnia, Haiti, Sudan, Yemen, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Syria.

According to the study I linked to above, which is a partial list, American military interventions against foreign countries have occurred 80 times since 1946. Not a single one of these countries ever attacked the U.S. mainland. There were certainly terrorist attacks against American interests during this period, but those were criminal acts, not acts of war. Almost all of them happened outside of this country where American military presence was felt. If they were aimed toward civilians, they were evil, and if they were aimed at our military during any aggressive occupation, then they were in most every instance not acts of terror, but of self-defense. It would be no different here if we were aggressively occupied by a foreign power, regardless of the so-called reasoning. We would, and properly so, defend ourselves with all our might. Would we then also be terrorists?

My intent is not to just target or bash America, but any who practice terrorism individually or collectively. My aim is to expose that which is hidden by governments and the mainstream media, but known in the hearts of most around the world. That is that governments are the worst terrorists among us. It is time to tell the truth about the horrors of terrorism and war because these things are now one and the same. Immoral acts of evil now occur almost every day, and all around the world. Innocents are terrorized constantly, and are at more risk than ever before of being harmed due to this lunacy.

This nation has become the poster child of aggressive war and occupation, of murder, of imperialism, of torture, and of imprisonment without trial. Our government over just the last few decades has been responsible for the deaths of millions of innocents, and to this day is continuing to advance that reign of terror. Leslie Stahl on 60 Minutes in 1996 ask our own Secretary of State at the time, Madeline Albright: "is the price worth it?" when speaking of the deaths of 500,000 thousand Iraqi children; their deaths due strictly to brutal U.S. sanctions. These innocent children were all 5 years of age or younger. Her reply: "I think this is a very hard choice, but the price â€“ we think the price is worth it." What an admission! Was it worth it for our national security or was it worth it for the oil? Neither reason of course is legitimate.

As I write this, the U.S. Empire has once again started and is waging another war of aggression against Libya. This is by all accounts an evil display of force that will surely result in the deaths of many more innocents. It is also the third war being waged by the U.S. at one time, with other wars surely in the works. While those warmongers clamoring for yet another war to "save" the people of Libya are applauding, their hypocrisy is evident. More innocent civilians will perish from this earth while the politicians scream about protecting the innocent. What a tangled web they weave with their lies. Their terrorism continues in earnest!

This madness must be stopped, not only for the sake of all those innocent victims overseas, but also for the sake of all of us. These atrocities are being done in our name by our own corrupt and evil government. The more terror that is spread by the U.S. governing apparatus, the more reprisal we all will face in the future. For the sake of humanity, I hope the masses take their heads out of the sand and accept this truth. The country that currently poses the greatest threat to the world is the United States, and the U.S. government and its accomplices are also the primary instigators of world terrorism. All of us have a moral responsibility to stop those in government who would terrorize others. Who will stop them if we don't?

Aggressive war is the epitome of terrorism, and the U.S. is the king of aggressive war!

March 21, 2011

Copyright Â© 2011 by LewRockwell.com. Permission to reprint in whole or in part is gladly granted, provided full credit is given.
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As Above So Below · Mar 21, 2011

While I have yet to read this (too tired, will read in the am lol) I believe we should get rid of the term "terrorist" because it has a broad definition that can literally be applied to ANYONE!

NasaJoe · Mar 21, 2011

Yes we are terrorists for supporting the unarmed people of Libya. You need to be a coward to be a terrorist.

Limecat · Mar 21, 2011

NasaJoe said:

Yes we are terrorists for supporting the unarmed people of Libya. You need to be a coward to be a terrorist.
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Did you even READ the article? I'm going to say....no.

Keep up the propaganda though, the corporatists in Washington LOVE you!

KingTut · Mar 21, 2011

Xblunt-manX said:

While I have yet to read this (too tired, will read in the am lol) I believe we should get rid of the term "terrorist" because it has a broad definition that can literally be applied to ANYONE!
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Like the United States government.

ng_hammy · Mar 21, 2011

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmBnvajSfWU]YouTube - LOWKEY - TERRORIST? (OFFICIAL MUSIC VIDEO)[/ame]

"It's like the definition didn't ever exist ,
I guess it's all just dependent who your nemesis is,
Irrelevant how eloquent the rhetoric peddler is,
They're telling fibs, now tell us who the real terrorist is."

Seriously though, it's just rhetoric and how you analyse the discourse.
In one situation someone is a freedom fighter, in another a terrorist. They're the same thing 99% of the time. It just depends on what social construct the powers that be want you to associate with them at any given time.

By the proper definition, the US armed forces are the biggest and most destructive terrorist organisation to have ever existed.

dirtydingusus · Mar 21, 2011

"You Can't Kill Terror"

You can destroy an army
You can kill a man
But you can't kill terror
And terror is what I am
Terror your servant as you struggle to rule
How can you kill terror when you use it as a tool
So when you write the history books remember to omit it
The sickest thing about your race is that you won't admit it

Decapitation, a merciful way for one to quickly die
Just think if they'd slowly plucked out both his eyes
Far better than being buried alive
Think of the babies you buried alive

You can't kill terror
So let's declare war
There's so many dead that we can't keep score
Madness and reason we at once combine
This is a war that can last for all time
The War Against Terror
Sublime!

It's man against monster and only both can lose
Fate is pre-ordained for you, so there's no side to choose
So much like hurricanes you seek to name the cosmic crime
To give a war a name is just a way for you to mark your time
Just think of the babies you buried alive
They haven't quite died

I just got some news from the Central Command
It seems the war didn't go quite as planned
It seems like terror is winning the battle
The humans are killing each other like cattle
The bodies are piled up from Rome to Seattle

Decapitation, a merciful way for one to quickly die
Just think if they'd slowly plucked out both his eyes
Cut off his penis and shoved it in his mouth
Just like they do down south
You can't kill terror
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[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcRi0PaKPoU]YouTube - GWAR-You Cant Kill Terror[/ame]

"War Is All We Know"

They came from the sun
From the east, from the west all around
So fate's die is cast
They marshaled their forces and found us at last
So it's come to this
The child is the destroyer
The young god comes to slay

War

Son kill the father
For blackness is all that i crave
Shells explode across my hide
Take me death, i am your slave
For i don't have soul
And i don't have a heart
Come then and face me
But first you must suffer my wrath

Hatred of all things alive
War is all we know

They say war is a last resort
For me it's the only way
I have tried reading their poetry
It suits me better to slay
All that i touch seems to break in my hands
Then it just bursts into flames
The piteous pleadings as innocents die
Only an odor remains
So burn the bitter butter
Prepare the murder machines
Bring me my scabbard, my halberd, my hauberk
Fetch me my enchanted greaves
My walls they are melting
The drugs they aren't helping
Is it time for the old gods to die?
To arms is the only cry

Hatred of all things alive
War is all we know
The humans must feast on their gods
We know it fucking blows

Hatred is a seed that's easy to sow
Buckets of blood will help it to grow
And raised on high, the fetid throne
Death is fate's master, he sits alone

They say war is all we know
If only that were true
No matter how i work my schedule
There's always other things that i do
But excuse me now, there's a tank at the door
And that slave's head just rolled cross the floor
He tries to say something and that something is puke
Right about then the pigs set off a nuke

War is all we know
Hatred

When i said i loved war, i lied
It fucking sucks on the losing side
And speaking of which, my face is on fire
A lightning withdrawl, we quickly retire
A flury of carnage, my brainpan is nicked
To my unending shame, my ass just got kicked
And as the shells fall in a relentless hail
The fortress was gutted and we had to bail
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[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nf5jQ_Kr7EQ]YouTube - GWAR-War is All We Know[/ame]

BumbleBeeHive · Mar 21, 2011

We call it terrorism, doesn't really matter what we call our enemies.... we will always treat them the same way.

Anonimo · Mar 21, 2011

MJU1983 said:

Seems appropriate given our current involvement in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Libya (who knows where else that we don't know about).

For those that don't know, LewRockwell.com is great.
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This terrorism bullshit has been plain as day to me for as long as I have been smoking weed, I wonder if there is a connection there

As for why is it allowed to pass?, well all you have to do is look up. Many of us know but the rest of them are pawns of the opposer and/or just apathetic to anything that doesn't directly affect them or their shit.

The two greatest flaws of humanity are certainly laziness and cowardice.

LewRockwell seems cool though I reserve the right to change my mind, so many things used to be awesome.

I thought Zeigheist was kinda of kool until I got to that nutty no one will work and computers will run our life part. Did you know that asshole charges people to visit him and look at his shit.?

I wonder if we will ever know a time of peace.

dirtydingusus · Mar 21, 2011

Anonimo said:

Did you know that asshole charges people to visit him and look at his shit.?

I wonder if we will ever know a time of peace.
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the only time you will know peace is if you can clear all your thoughts...while you are taking a shit....

Spikoli · Mar 22, 2011

like i always say:

the only difference between a terrorist and a revolutionary is, revolutionaries won.

rubbs · Mar 22, 2011

Jadams posted this on another thread

watch the FKN Newzzzz
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10SWynoqTdY&feature=player_embedded"]YouTube - UN KILLS KILLERS TO STOP KILLING - FKN Newz 031911[/ame]

Limecat · Apr 12, 2011

Hey, President Obama. We appreciate you trying to pronounce our country's name correctly but could you please stop murdering our civilians?

Pakistan Tells CIA to Halt Drone Strikes - WSJ.com

Drone strikes are opposed by an overwhelming majority of Pakistanis, and are widely seen as a violation of Pakistan's sovereignty.
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Obama looks like more of a neocon than Bush, just based on the numbers:

Drone attacks in Pakistan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Year of the Drone | NewAmerica.net

42 drone attacks under W racking up a death toll of 362-425 (2004-2008)

192 drone attacks under O racking up a death toll of 1,073-1,858 (2009-2011)

cball · Apr 12, 2011

MJU1983 said:

Hey, President Obama. We appreciate you trying to pronounce our country's name correctly but could you please stop murdering our civilians?

Pakistan Tells CIA to Halt Drone Strikes - WSJ.com

Obama looks like more of a neocon than Bush, just based on the numbers:

Drone attacks in Pakistan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Year of the Drone | NewAmerica.net

42 drone attacks under W racking up a death toll of 362-425 (2004-2008)

192 drone attacks under O racking up a death toll of 1,073-1,858 (2009-2011)
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isn't it more or less the fault of these guys...not just the puppets (bush/obama) in the oval office? Congress could force the recall of all troops if they really wanted too...problem is the profits...the war industry won't like losing $$$...

headsh0t · Apr 12, 2011

cball said:

isn't it more or less the fault of these guys...not just the puppets (bush/obama) in the oval office? Congress could force the recall of all troops if they really wanted too...problem is the profits...the war industry won't like losing $$$...

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You have a good point, but when you have a figurehead who approves of it, the people will never call for real changes from Congress.

Limecat · Apr 12, 2011

cball said:

isn't it more or less the fault of these guys...not just the puppets (bush/obama) in the oval office? Congress could force the recall of all troops if they really wanted too...problem is the profits...the war industry won't like losing $$$...

http://www.jewishjournal.com/images/bloggers_auto/congresslarge.jpg[/IM][/QUOTE]

Well that wouldn't be fair to call democrats war criminals, and war mongers since they paint republicans (read: George W. Bush) with that brush...

And really, we see Congress doesn't care about the Executive Branch overstepping its Constitutional Authority.

Sucks for us.
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Kylesa · Apr 13, 2011

The US Government are no doubt the terrorists. The crimes we have committed in Iraq are no better than the acts we condemned (Hitler, Cuba, Russia, etc.) in the past. It's really a shame what we've done in Iraq, and I have no second thoughts about saying that what the US Government has done to the country of Iraq is the the worst thing this country has ever done, collectively, in our entire history.

It's a damn shame that people aren't more pissed off about Iraq (and Afghanistan) and I'm even more saddened that people let Obama just steamroll his way into Libya. The US Government, no doubt, is creating a backlash that will make 9/11 look like a joke. We single-handedly devolved the entire country of Iraq into a giant US-hating machine, and it's only getting worse as the economic chaos we caused to Iraq is now forcing Iraqi's to leave their country and move to surrounding countries.

In other words, we screwed the pooch big time.

Limecat · Apr 13, 2011

Kylesa said:

The US Government are no doubt the terrorists. The crimes we have committed in Iraq are no better than the acts we condemned (Hitler, Cuba, Russia, etc.) in the past. It's really a shame what we've done in Iraq, and I have no second thoughts about saying that what the US Government has done to the country of Iraq is the the worst thing this country has ever done, collectively, in our entire history.

It's a damn shame that people aren't more pissed off about Iraq (and Afghanistan) and I'm even more saddened that people let Obama just steamroll his way into Libya. The US Government, no doubt, is creating a backlash that will make 9/11 look like a joke. We single-handedly devolved the entire country of Iraq into a giant US-hating machine, and it's only getting worse as the economic chaos we caused to Iraq is now forcing Iraqi's to leave their country and move to surrounding countries.

In other words, we screwed the pooch big time.
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Totally. We have been messing with that country for longer than I've been alive:

Iraq–United States relations

How many Iraqi's died in the 1990's thanks to us? 500,000? 1,000,000?

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZtPzOukjZA]YouTube - Ron Paul: Impeachment & Predicting 9/11 in 1998[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RM0uvgHKZe8]YouTube - Madeleine Albright - The deaths of 500,000 Iraqi children was worth it for Iraq's non existent WMD's[/ame]

Rotties4Ever · Apr 13, 2011

all of the states that fall under the UN: to them terrorist is anyone who woke to this bullshit and tired of it
in actuality the real terrorrists are running the show and have been for a while now, good luck getting them to step down like egypt's corrupt leader did..cause it aint happening

maxrule · Apr 13, 2011

Kylesa said:

The US Government are no doubt the terrorists. The crimes we have committed in Iraq are no better than the acts we condemned (Hitler, Cuba, Russia, etc.) in the past. It's really a shame what we've done in Iraq, and I have no second thoughts about saying that what the US Government has done to the country of Iraq is the the worst thing this country has ever done, collectively, in our entire history.

It's a damn shame that people aren't more pissed off about Iraq (and Afghanistan) and I'm even more saddened that people let Obama just steamroll his way into Libya. The US Government, no doubt, is creating a backlash that will make 9/11 look like a joke. We single-handedly devolved the entire country of Iraq into a giant US-hating machine, and it's only getting worse as the economic chaos we caused to Iraq is now forcing Iraqi's to leave their country and move to surrounding countries.

In other words, we screwed the pooch big time.
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But the government says that only a few dozen children were killed in Pakistan by unmanned US drones and not hundreds as the tinfoil hat wearing Pakistanis are claiming.

We better trust the government because our leaders are all steadfast bastions of honesty.

We are dropping Gandhi like humanitarian bombs on Libya because we are so peaceful and lamb like.

Why Obama should get another Nobel and the US should be commended for its dovish bombing campaigns and its convalescent air strikes.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3NFU3KL0uo&feature=feedf]YouTube - Bombs for peace? 'UN completely disgraced in Libya'[/ame]

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