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Discussion in 'Medical Cannabis: Treatments & Patient Experiences' started by clinton, Apr 1, 2007.

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  1. #1 clinton, Apr 1, 2007
    Oregon has the best medical canibis laws in the nation. Paitents are organized there also. What a blast to attend parties where everyone is sharing great smoke. A sponsor of our group hosted such a party last evening.

    It would be to anyone advantage to check out oregongreenfree.com. We have over 1000 members state wide. We also help run the clinic in our area. Some of you are missing out.

    clinton
     
  2. #2 clinton, Apr 4, 2007
    Next Saturday, I will be among 230 other card holders at the OGF Annual Canibis Cup where growers from all over the state will display the best of their craft. I will have to sample and decide which I like best; someone has to do this.:) Dont ya wish you could go to events like this? You could if you had your Oregon card.

    clinton
     
  3. #3 clinton, Apr 8, 2007
    The cup winners were the strains OG Kush and Medicine Woman. What a total blast. Wish you were there. The hash was great also!!

    clinton
     
  4. #4 Dalax, Apr 23, 2007
    Wow man that sounds amazing.
     
  5. #5 clinton, May 25, 2007
    We will roll a 9 pound joint. Have to use shop vac to lite it.

    :wave::smoke:

    clinton
     
  6. #6 TTipper39, May 30, 2007
    ROCKY MOUNTAIN SMOKE RINGS in YOUR DIRECTION!! AHAHAHAAaa that's GREAT. BAKE ON, BROTHER MAN.//COmidnightrider46
     
  7. #7 Ars moriendi, May 30, 2007
    with all due respect to the med-mj cause

    it is pretty damn selfish to push for legalizing pot when others do require access to things like amphetamines for adhd/narcolepsy opiates for pain ect

    instead of pushing for silly cards 'n bullshit laws you should be pushing for peoples right to self medicate no matter what drug they require

    not everyone has health insurance or the time/desire to be poked 'n prodded when they've already found what helps them live normal lives

    doctors shouldn't have any say in what you choose to use or grow in your own home

    this is clearly proven by the high prices at medical clubs in places like cali

    why the hell should a cancer patient be forced to go to a doctor over 'n over till they decide to give the thumbs up for a medi club card? why should growers be forced into such price points? if you wanna grow your own or buy it should be cheap 'n open to all who need it
     
  8. #8 clinton, May 30, 2007
    I dont think it selfish to fight to use a medicine that helps you. Anyway you can not compare prescribed drugs with MJ. It can not be prescribed until it is rescheduled. Anyway the sick and dieing do not have time to wait for someone to act in their behalf.

    At this time a few states recognize MMJ. It is wonderful to get togeather and share. My paitents get their meds for free - I give them over 1/2 pound per month, given at harvest. Cali prices are to high at dispensories. Oregon has none. Medical grade (the best) is easily available for under $200 per ounce down to free. It depends upon the grow costs. We just cover our costs - no more.

    I agree with you that the medical care sucks. At this time the card is the best thing going for a paitent. Very ill people can not tolerate the stress of getting busted.

    Anyway I really didnt understand the point you were making.

    clinton
     
  9. #9 Ars moriendi, May 31, 2007
    you can compare them and thats the major divide that'll kill your dream of medi mj for all

    we gotta accept self-medication across the board even if it seems to slow progress as in the end we'll all lose out and many who require medical mj in states less enlightened will suffer just as much as the folks in constant pain that mj can't fully cover

    sure a cancer patient needs it but people with lives to live are forced into a chaoitic mess of thoughts simply becuase they can't afford do jump through hoops for things like adderall

    the more open you guys are to helping everyone the less these power mad pricks can do to stop you from over growing the world :)
     
  10. #10 clinton, May 31, 2007
    The reason I said you can not compare phama druns and MMJ is that pharam drugs are legal for your doctors to prescribe. The doctor can only recommend MJ.

    All the MMJ users and grower support legalization for all. It is wonderful to know how much you may have and how many plants etc. Since MJ is medicine how can you fault anyone for signing up for a card? I was black market sourced for years before I got my card. It was no big deal. My 20 year old son was ticketed with a gram last week - $500 fine! Busting people with weed is so evil. Canibis users are hurting no one - not even themselves.

    Here is the catch - if we give or sell MJ to anyone without a card, or if we consume it publicly we can get arrested. We run clinics twice a month from my chapter, we see teenagers who wear a sling and try to get a card. We will no cross legal lines to help you get stoned. Hell I was always able to find it. Inforcement in most cases is a low priority crime.

    clinton
     
  11. #11 Ars moriendi, May 31, 2007
    ^ thats my point

    RX drugs aren't legal unless you jump through hoops same goes for pot

    you distance yourself from people 'just getting stoned' like they somehow have less vaule

    thats exactly why you guys are forced to fight for every little thing cuz ya don't and can't have the numbers you need behind you

    the second you stop pretending a cancer patient is any more in need than a depressed teenager looking to get baked or a ADHD case without the means to be a doctors bitch is the second you'll have all legit* drug user support behind ya

    * legal drug users aren't doctor brown nosers imho anyone who finds a cure and lives their lives without a decline is a valid user

    hell ya may even get non-users to see exactly how wrong they are
     
  12. #12 clinton, Jun 1, 2007
    I would like to see everyone have access to medical care. Until that is corrected we will have an unfair system - one based upon economics not compasson. I know a lot of strait people - who never considered MJ - who now realize they were lied to about MJ. They now use MJ but some still are shy about revealing that fact.

    But yes, I think it a higher usage to use canibis for pain and other medical reasons rather than to just get high. One has a greater need if you can see that. If I had to chose between a cancer paitent in chemo or someone wanting to be entertained - the paitent would get it every time. I also believe everyone should have access to this harmless herb.

    The reason medical people are distancing themselves from the stoner image is because so many people belittle how much medical releaf paitents get. Its wrong to assume medical card holders are just stoners. As far as passing judgement on someone elses use or medical conditions - I have not and will not do that. All paitents are equal to me. If there were more MJ everyone could have it in abundance. It is just if I had to chose who needed it most - I would hate that job.

    My group just obtained a 4000 sf building to hold meetings, classes, cliniics, and to distribute clones. We went to local LEO who were invited and who came to our building. We are educating LEO and others about the fact that marijuana is medicine - even if you dont have a card. We are able to openly organize and help people grow is because we follow the letter of the law - we stay within the limits set by law. Most cops tell me MJ is not a problem like some other things like meth and alchol.

    You seem somewhat bitter, but please dont get jealous or pissed because some people can get cards. You should be glad because as more people get cards and their families see the benifits - the law will be changed. MMJ benifits every lover of herb, as the big lie about mj having no medical value is over thrown, so will be the evil laws.


    clinton
     
  13. #13 Ars moriendi, Jun 1, 2007
    lmfao ok dude whatever you wanna make yourself believe to sleep at night is fine by me but just know that this 'childish stoner' isn't bitter mearly pointing out things as they are

    you're seriously being a hypocrite by citing 'stoners' as something different than medical users when everyone uses it for personal reasons

    they are one in the same no matter how you slice it as some need it to keep food down others require it for insomnia and still others use it to keep from slicing their own wrists based on feeling out of place

    many opt to self medicate with pot over things like SSRI anti-depressants and you seem to feel they aren't as worthy as someone dying of cancer

    lol news flash buddy someone in perfect health can still be living in hell or not living at all based on state of mind alone

    hit me back with the whole 'stoners shouldn't have medical cards' bit when you've actually experienced clinical depression bi-polar disorder adhd and any number of other life long diseases :)
     
  14. #14 clinton, Jun 1, 2007


    I dont know what the dispute is. I support everyone having access to MJ. I had a breakdown and major depression for 8 years so I know the suffering of the mentally ill. MJ helped me stay alive those 8 years. I suport mj for everyone. I dont put anyone down for use with or without a card.

    Cards are isssued differently in different state. I believe Cali allows cards for mental illnesses. You are cranky and not reading what I am telling you. You seem to be fighting some other person. Dont make the mistake of believing all MMJ paitents are the same.

    I am not a hypocrite in what I am saying Ars. I do protect the few rights ill people have. If you dont see the difference between a chemo paitent puking guts out and someone wanting to be amused. If there is a limited supply. I would give the meds to the sickest paitent. What I dont like seeing is people getting medical cards on false pretenses. When people do this it weakens the ability for the ill to get the meds as the recreational smokers have purchased that strain. Rec smokers should grow their own.

    I think all use of MJ is medical. Even people without a diagnosed problem can benifit. I support leaglazation or at least reschedule. I dont understand why you seem pissed over this issue. Where have I put you or anyone without a card down. The facts are that legal medical marijuana is believed to be a rouse to get high. I fight that idea every day.

    I repeat if you missed this point: As medical marijuana gets accepted - it opens the door for everyone to use. It is banned only because of lies about it being a gateway drug, addictive, causes crime etc.

    I know people who had never used or even been arround MJ. They worked as cops and other professions. But when they get ill or their kids - and MJ is a souce of releaf - all those just say no people - get cards and now support mj.

    Please reread what I have said to you and look at your responses - see what I mean? Anyway mental illness is a disease and should be covered by mmj laws.

    clinton
     
  15. #15 Ars moriendi, Jun 1, 2007
    I get where you're coming from and I respect that you've taken the time to help people

    but my point does stand - the longer you let this card stuff go by saying 'its the only way it currently works' the harder it'll be to say "Hey it's our bodies our minds and we shouldn't be forced to pay you or anyone else for the right to do as we wish to/with 'em" alone or in unison with other drug users

    granny shouldn't need to answer to the man cuz she has a garden fulla buds :)
     
  16. #16 clinton, Jun 1, 2007
    Ars you are a good person. I do really understand your point. We medical MJ people are very active in pushing for legalization or rescheduleing. If you visit my home site OGF, you will see a large number of forums just to get peole organized.

    It is a tuff battle because of all the lies about MJ. That is my target - lies about MJ. I do see medical people organizing because we check cards to make sure everyone is legal. This way we can give to them without any legal hasstles. It would be hard to find 400 non card holders - and then party openly with all of them - many you have never met - would you feel comfortable not knowing all are card holders? Who are cops?

    I and my friends have relationships with other organizations. We hold THCF clinics in our building twice monthly. We get in on Hempfest, MMJ marches. We have smoked out at the capital steps. Yesterday we invited the chief of police from Bend and the local sheriff over to our building. The cops were very curious that we were so open with them. We dont fear the cops. We spent time telling them about MJ laws and mmj. They promissed to keep an eye on our property and give it firsts priority if there were a breaking or other unpleasent happening. We have spoken to the DA. I will be starting a MJ online webcast soon. We are on radio and TV. WE ARE ACTIVE.

    We are fighting for everyone right to use canibis. What we need to do is write letters to our law makers. Tell everyone how MJ has helped in illness. I can not take narcotics - and with a spine like mine, thats what doctors suggest. They spin their head when I tell them a mild narcotic with canibis treats pain conditions better than opiate alone.

    I piss doctors off.

    clinton
     
  17. #17 whpeace, Jun 2, 2007
    I have much respect for what you are accomplishing Clinton!
     
  18. #18 Ars moriendi, Jun 2, 2007
    well said bro I just hope medical users will inturn show their love by aiding people who can't get cards aren't set up with health care and really don't feel they should be forced into the system simply cuz they've found a drug that works

    if we could all stop playing the 'stoners are ok but speed users aren't' game we'd all be better off as all these substances would be freely given at your local drug store for pennies on the dollar no questions asked

    we're all fighting the same sick profit machine that is the legal system you guys just need it bad enough to accept being watched instead of treated equal

    one day we'll get there 'n the fuckers making money off death will be cryin' their way to an empty bank account :D
     
  19. #19 Alphå, Jun 2, 2007
    Great points you guys... Rep for all.

    I think the bottom line is that it is unconstitutional for the government to tell us what we can and can't put into our bodies.

    It was illegal in 1937 with the marijuana stamp tax, and it was illegal when nixon started the drug war.

    The fear behind the governments drug war is that people will become addicted... Much like china in the early 20th century with the opium problem. It was starting to spread around the world.

    Unfortunetly they (politicians) have brainwashed themselves for the past 100 years so bad that they dont listen to science anymore.

    Even beyond medicinal purposes... Marijuana is not a dangerous drug, and it does not ruin anyones lives. Prohibition does. It should be legal for people who NEED it, as well as for people who WANT it.

    Don't get me wrong, I completely support legalization on any and all fronts, but there are people out there who have cards because they want them not becuase they need them. That's where the recreational and medical legalization lobbies bleed into each other.

    If we're going to win this 'war' (its more like a slaughter when your up against the gov't), we much remain objective and not abuse any part of the system in order to show that it works.
     
  20. #20 Alphå, Jun 2, 2007
    Oh and I'm pissed becasuse medical users hog all the good pot. You dont know how sick I am of pulling fluffy things out of my bud and sifting through seeds. Commercial growers really dont know what they're doing...
     
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