Adolf Hitler

well, those scientists that helped the nazis (and ultimately the US) were there before the Nazis. And so a socialist Germany would have the same technological advantageous as the third reich. But being socialist and all, we probably wouldn't have that technology. And old Einstein wouldn't have left Germany, so they would've been the first to develop nuclear weapons and put a man in space. It makes me said really, Hitler is the only reason the cold war wasn't between the US and Germany.

 

Amen! Though Napoleon played a big part in it as well (e.g. he preached nationalism, and then a Serbian nationalist killed ol' Franz.)

Its actually a shame, because when Franz Ferdinand became emperor Austria-Hungary was going to be an amazing place to live.

(look up the united states of greater Austria)

 

Scientists who helped the US also helped Germany during the war-effort?

I'd like more explanation on that...


Also, Germany was a fascistic society, not socialistic.

Forget socialism.

They were facist!!!

Which basically meant Hitler (the leader of this facist society) was DETERMINED on the state, and socialistic-policies, sure. But so long as they "benefited" the state as a whole, and not necessarily the PEOPLE.

HE controlled policies, not the majority. It was NEVER socialism.

But either way, the/his policies did not, and could not, better HIM than any other autocratically controlled guvmint that could exist (if you're talking about a socialist guvmint controlled my any facist).

 

No, what i was saying is that before the war most of the Jewish scientists fled to the states and helped them build the atomic bomb. One of them being Einstein of course. And after the war the us brought over thousands of german scientists who pioneered the space age.

And fascism (from an economic point of view) is socialist. e.g. the state control's all manufacturing.

 

Well I agree with you.

Altough a dictator's view on economics can be different from what is "collectively better" for a state (ie, socialism).


And also, fascism, is in NO way the same as socialism.

That's the only point where I would disagree

 

well you forget that Nazism was only half fascist. the other half was socialist and that is why Germany economy was booming before the war.

Because its the only time in history someone has used socialism to actually benefit the people (economic wise, of course)

 

True, true.

But when studying it honestly, it was ultimately a fascistic society... And not socialistic.


I mean, what if Hitler wasn't there? Would Germany feel dissapointed from their losses of WWI and the Treaty of Versailles? Sure.

Would they have went to war with the whole world, and developed an extreme hate for the Jewish race? Probably not

 

I'm speaking from a purely economic point of view.
I know they were about 90% ultra fascist (somethings Hitler did would have made Mussolini have nightmares.) But they were still 10% socialist.

Let me rephrase that, they were a fascist society with socialist economic traits.

 

Read my edits.

I always edit

Speaking from a purely economic standpoint, you may be right, though.


Although that doesn't really hold much weight...

I mean, ANY country would gain an economic advantage from controlling another country...


It doesn't justify their/his actions, though.


And you say their policy was socialistic, which is just a laugh to me...


Did they invade Poland to simply ensure their economic stability, and that of Poland?

That's what pure socialism would have warranted.

 

Nothing will ever justify the actions of the Nazis. But, for being a society that couldn't even by a loaf of bread with a million marks, Hitler turned them into a great power and took on every major country in the world. (it took three superpowers to take them down, and that's saying a lot for a country in a depression that makes ours look like an economic boom)

 

No, the german economy was socialist. which aloud them to become a war machine. They then used that war machine to conquer europe.

 

Sure, with all do respect, most of the German people may SUPPORTED the war effort.


But the German GOVERNMENT was FAR from SOCIALISTIC, as far as it's government policies and funding and support for the war effort.


Sure, the people may have supported the idea of war (due to the administration's propaganda).

But the government was 10x more fascist than it was socialistic

 

Oh and because of fascism the German people believed what hitler wanted them to, and nothing else. So nobody really had a choice in supporting the war, because they were all brainwashed.


here you go mein freund, this is a great article about the economics of fascism.

Fascism: The Concise Encyclopedia of Economics | Library of Economics and Liberty

 

I dunno, I really don't need to read that.

But I DID read the first few paragraphs, and basically it supports exactly what I said.


Yep, as I read more, it was socialism, sure, like I said.

But It was socialism based on facism.

IE... Socialism controlled by a stong central power, who looks out for the state ahead of individuals...

Which is facism.

 

its states that from an economic POV, Fascism is socialism with capitalist ideals.

 

I dunno, don't slue the words of that article...

Besides that fact that fascism is based on the power of a centrally-controlled authority, while capitalism is based on the free-market and the authority of the consumers (ie, the individual consumer).

lol, ar