Administration Weighs Legal Action Against States That Legalized Marijuana Use

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  1. Administration Weighs Legal Action Against States That Legalized Marijuana Use


    WASHINGTON - Senior White House and Justice Department officials are considering plans for legal action against Colorado and Washington that could undermine voter-approved initiatives to legalize the recreational use of marijuana in those states, according to several people familiar with the deliberations.

    Even as marijuana legalization supporters are celebrating their victories in the two states, the Obama administration has been holding high-level meetings since the election to debate the response of federal law enforcement agencies to the decriminalization efforts.

    Marijuana use in both states continues to be illegal under the federal Controlled Substances Act. One option is to sue the states on the grounds that any effort to regulate marijuana is pre-empted by federal law. Should the Justice Department prevail, it would raise the possibility of striking down the entire initiatives on the theory that voters would not have approved legalizing the drug without tight regulations and licensing similar to controls on hard alcohol.

    Some law enforcement officials, alarmed at the prospect that marijuana users in both states could get used to flouting federal law openly, are said to be pushing for a stern response. But such a response would raise political complications for President Obama because marijuana legalization is popular among liberal Democrats who just turned out to re-elect him.

    “It's a sticky wicket for Obama,” said Bruce Buchanan, a political science professor at the University of Texas at Austin, saying any aggressive move on such a high-profile question would be seen as “a slap in the face to his base right after they've just handed him a chance to realize his presidential dreams.”

    Federal officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the matter. Several cautioned that the issue had raised complex legal and policy considerations - including enforcement priorities, litigation strategy and the impact of international antidrug treaties - that remain unresolved, and that no decision was imminent.

    The Obama administration declined to comment on the deliberations, but pointed to a statement the Justice Department issued on Wednesday - the day before the initiative took effect in Washington - in the name of the United States attorney in Seattle, Jenny A. Durkan. She warned Washington residents that the drug remained illegal.

    “In enacting the Controlled Substances Act, Congress determined that marijuana is a Schedule I controlled substance,” she said. “Regardless of any changes in state law, including the change that will go into effect on December 6 in Washington State, growing, selling or possessing any amount of marijuana remains illegal under federal law.”

    Ms. Durkan's statement also hinted at the deliberations behind closed doors, saying: “The Department of Justice is reviewing the legalization initiatives recently passed in Colorado and Washington State. The department's responsibility to enforce the Controlled Substances Act remains unchanged.”
    Federal officials have relied on their more numerous state and local counterparts to handle smaller marijuana cases. In reviewing how to respond to the new gap, the interagency task force - which includes Justice Department headquarters, the Drug Enforcement Administration, the State Department and the offices of the White House Counsel and the director of National Drug Control Policy - is considering several strategies, officials said.

    One option is for federal prosecutors to bring some cases against low-level marijuana users of the sort they until now have rarely bothered with, waiting for a defendant to make a motion to dismiss the case because the drug is now legal in that state. The department could then obtain a court ruling that federal law trumps the state one.

    A more aggressive option is for the Justice Department to file lawsuits against the states to prevent them from setting up systems to regulate and tax marijuana, as the initiatives contemplated. If a court agrees that such regulations are pre-empted by federal ones, it will open the door to a broader ruling about whether the regulatory provisions can be “severed” from those eliminating state prohibitions - or whether the entire initiatives must be struck down.

    Another potential avenue would be to cut off federal grants to the states unless their legislatures restored antimarijuana laws, said Gregory Katsas, who led the civil division of the Justice Department during the George W. Bush administration.

    Mr. Katsas said he was skeptical that a pre-emption lawsuit would succeed. He said he was also skeptical that it was necessary, since the federal government could prosecute marijuana cases in those states regardless of whether the states regulated the drug.

    Still, federal resources are limited. Under the Obama administration, the Justice Department issued a policy for handling states that have legalized medical marijuana. It says federal officials should generally not use their limited resources to go after small-time users, but should for large-scale trafficking organizations. The result has been more federal raids on dispensaries than many liberals had expected.

    Shield rattling and teeth gnashing,,,all they need to do is paint their faces blue and hire some witch doctors to round out the picture. If they will build more prisons,we will come. :smoking:
     
  2. Obama administration floats trial balloon in New York Times


    There's nothing this administration hates worse than leakers… except when it's doing the leaking intentionally to use the media.
    There's no better tool for official leaks than the New York Times, which has a policy against using unnamed government sources - a policy that it ignores constantly.

    Administration Weighs Legal Action Against States That Legalized Marijuana Use
    WASHINGTON - Senior White House and Justice Department officials are considering plans for legal action against Colorado and Washington that could undermine voter-approved initiatives to legalize the recreational use of marijuana in those states, according to several people familiar with the deliberations.

    Even as marijuana legalization supporters are celebrating their victories in the two states, the Obama administration has been holding high-level meetings since the election to debate the response of federal law enforcement agencies to the decriminalization efforts.
    [...]
    Federal officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the matter. Several cautioned that the issue had raised complex legal and policy considerations - including enforcement priorities, litigation strategy and the impact of international antidrug treaties - that remain unresolved, and that no decision was imminent.

    The Obama administration declined to comment on the deliberations, but pointed to a statement the Justice Department issued on Wednesday - the day before the initiative took effect in Washington - in the name of the United States attorney in Seattle, Jenny A. Durkan. She warned Washington residents that the drug remained illegal.


    The article goes on to explore some potentially extreme options with no indication that these specific options are being considered.

    This appears to be a blatant political trial balloon using the New York Times to see what kinds of reactions there are and what political fallout might come from action… or inaction.
     
  3. In Which Harold & Kumar Go Into Hiding


    Well, dammit.

    I was so very excited about all that sensible drug policy we were going to get out of President Obama in his second term. I mean sure, Obama had spent a good deal of his first term waging more raids on medical marijuana clinics in four years than Bush had waged in eight. And his administration defended DEA agents who point guns at the heads of children during drug raids. And his appointees continued to defend the carnage in Mexico as merely the consequence of good, sensible drug policy.

    Sure. There was all of that. But there were also all of these progressive pundits who kept telling drug war reformers that they should go ahead and vote for Obama anyway . . . because they just knew, or at least they were pretty sure, or at least they had heard rumors, that maybe, possibly, Obama would turn the corner and show some leadership.

    Remember Marc Ambinder? Under the headline "In His Second Term, Obama Will Pivot to the Drug War," Ambinder wrote . . .
    According to ongoing discussions with Obama aides and associates, if the president wins a second term, he plans to tackle another American war that has so far been successful only in perpetuating more misery: the four decades of The Drug War . . . the best thing a president can do may be what Obama winds up doing if he gets re-elected: using the bully pulpit to draw attention to the issue.

    Remember Lawrence O'Donnell?
    Although, president Obama thinks it's entirely legitimate to have a conversation about whether our drug laws are doing more harm than good, he has absolutely no intention of having that discussion in the United States until after he is reelected to a second term. With exactly 204 days remaining until the election, that makes possibly ending the war on drugs the 204th reason to vote for President Obama on November 6th.

    Remember Ana Marie Cox?
    Obama appears to be part of the growing number of politicians who are willing to recognize that not only is the drug war a failure, but that the only solution to the crime and misery it exacerbates is community engagement, treatment for addicts, and appropriate consequences for abuse by casual users.

    Yeah, so never mind to all of that. Here's Charlie Savage at the New York Times:
    Senior White House and Justice Department officials are considering plans for legal action against Colorado and Washington that could undermine voter-approved initiatives to legalize the recreational use of marijuana in those states, according to several people familiar with the deliberations.
    Even as marijuana legalization supporters are celebrating their victories in the two states, the Obama administration has been holding high-level meetings since the election to debate the response of federal law enforcement agencies to the decriminalization efforts.


    Marijuana use in both states continues to be illegal under the federal Controlled Substances Act. One option is to sue the states on the grounds that any effort to regulate marijuana is pre-empted by federal law. Should the Justice Department prevail, it would raise the possibility of striking down the entire initiatives on the theory that voters would not have approved legalizing the drug without tight regulations and licensing similar to controls on hard alcohol.

    More Coloradans voted for pot than for Obama. No matter. We can't have something as silly as "the will of the people" undermining the might and authority of the federal government. Court action to undermine the initiatives is only one option the administration is considering. Here's the other one:
    One option is for federal prosecutors to bring some cases against low-level marijuana users of the sort they until now have rarely bothered with, waiting for a defendant to make a motion to dismiss the case because the drug is now legal in that state. The department could then obtain a court ruling that federal law trumps the state one.

    Notice what words and phrases do not appear in the New York Times article: pivot, possibly ending the war on drugs, whether our drug laws are doing more harm than good, the drug war a failure, crime and misery [the drug war] creates.

    You'd think that if Obama were going to "pivot," simply leaving alone two states that overwhelmingly legalized pot and gave him their electoral votes would be the best place to start.

    As for "bring some cases against low-level marijuana users....," I think that means you, Harold and Kumar. Hope you guys aren't dog people.
     
  4. No comments were allowed at the NYTimes so the couch dwellers and Pete labeled it the feds trial balloon,,to see how people reacted,so it is time to hit your emails to your legislators and Obama in support of CO and WA,,it is what they want to hear.

    As if stopping the effort of reform in 2 states will close the issue,,WE have just begun to fight!
     
  5. I hope there's a lot of backlash against this.
     
  6. Well lets just take a step back and and rationalize what all is going on.

    US citizens vote for legalization and regulation

    On the other hand Drug cartels and the US Government still remain steadfast that cannabis should remain illegal .

    How is it that a criminal organization and the united states government both support the same status quo of keeping cannabis illegal. There IS reasons for this and its being hidden behind doors and a agenda has been and still continues to be played out with $$$$$ motivating both our corrupt fuck government and these out of control cartels. :devious:

    Breaking the taboo touches on this subject nicely. Just seems like im living in a world thats fantasy... How am i a younger adult who see's these atrocities so blatantly while other older and more "experienced" adults sit in there cozy homes ignoring all these huge problems staring America in the face.:mad:
     
  7. Well, if Obama attempts to derail what the people have done in WA and CO, you will know, without ANY doubt, that he is a hypocrite. The man was a huge smoker in his teens, so he KNOWS there is nothing wrong with weed.
     
  8. because they've sold their idealism for a wife, 2.5 kids, and fancy cars. they can't AFFORD to see the things you and others see so clearly.

    so the only option for them is to do everything in their power to keep the illusion going.

    but as time goes on, the question $creaming for an answer will be: who are we even fooling anymore?
     
  9. Nice statement, couldn't agree more. Social norms, stigmas, and the media have destroyed individualism and free thinking. People are too caught up w meeting a life deadline then actually smelling the roses...

    Oh and to touch on the main topic, Obama doesn't care about anything MJ related. He's a pawn, who played his cards right to become an overnight president. Don't waste your time believing his rhetoric, look at his actions. Wanna know how he feels about MJ?

    Ask the families of all the businesses his Justice Dept has raided...
     
  10. #10 claygooding, Dec 7, 2012
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    ^^^you both left out that 80% of the "older" adults do not live in the part of town where people are getting busted,,the only middle class and upper class people supporting ending the war on drugs are ones that have had first hand introduction to it's harms.


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    The problem is obvious,,time for a longer handle,,,Spain,Portugal and Uruguay are further away
     
  11. I'm an American who hates America an majority of Americans all bcuz of how they treat my gal Mary !
     
  12. Legal action:laughing: Its all made up. If they want to uproot everything this country was founded on then well...they can.
     

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