As of recently, I have been very interested in exploring more about our world, but also the power of our own minds. Through research and self experimentation, i have learned things, and made hypotheses on the subject of mushroom "trips" and the nature of psilocybin mushrooms. While i am still compiling a lot of my findings into workeable thoughts, I would like to contribute this knowledge to the comunity, hopefully starting some good conversation, and possibly persuading other people to do their own research and experiments with mushrooms. To start off, i personally beleive that while we are in control of our "reality" as such, we are also in control of our world, and what we can do within that world. I dont mean this simply as in "you make your own destiny" but more so in the way of "if you think, you can achieve" many experiences i have had, and many personal battles i have won have lead me to have the beleif that our world is creatied exclusively in our own minds, and while we can all exist in the same world, we all live in a different one. My first theory on mushrooms is what i like to call the gateway theory. Mushrooms and many other halucinogens have been seen as gateways to another world, or a key to unlocked doors, and i agree. My first evidence to back this up, and again, this is research which i have conducted myself, is the fact that when you enjoy mushrooms, everything is beautiful. It was a particularly vivid mushroom experience i had that led me to ponder on why things are so beautiful, for multiple reasons while on mushrooms. When you first start to feel the effects of mushrooms, you notice that everything has a slight twinkle to it, like it was brand new and had just been polished. lights look brighter and colors are much more vivid. the reason that this seems to happen, at least in my findings, is the fact that your eyes are already starting to dillate, and light is hitting your eye in a different way to the way you would usually see it. This led me to make another assumption, and that is on the particular color spectrum that becomes more visible while on mushrooms. when i was watching a sunset, i noticed that a lot more seperation was occuring between colors, another interesting thing id never noticed before. a particular hue has also been reoccuring in my experiences. often, i find that objects that are white, or reflect light well, will have a blue color to them, as if you are seeing ultraviolet light, as well as the normal ROYGBIV spectrum. Another thing that has also been the focus of a lot of thought, and research, has been the apparant loss of depth perception that you have while tripping. while meditating outside one night last week, i perceived an odd occurance in the space i was sitting. it seemed like objects illuminated by the same light source, or sources as myself fell into a very localized zone or scene. it was as if each area thhat had a major source of light other than natural sources, was grouped into a scene, as if from a movie. aas i observed it more and tried to understand exactly what it was that was creating this feeling of being part of a particular scene, and aas i watched a bus travel down the road past me, it occured that maybe it was not a loss of depth perception, but an increased perception of depth and surroundings. When i returned to my room to further think about this, i had the sensation while looking out of my window from accross my room, that i was no longer grounded as you usually feel in any room, regardless of floor in a building, but i was feeling exactly how high up i was as if standing on a platform with no walls around me. it was an odd feeling and i had to sit down and think for a minute. this is still a puzzling subject because i am not able to put into words exaclty the shared feeling i was able to derive from others experiencing a similar sort of effect. This is all a fragment of what i plan to make into a larger collaboration of writings on mushrooms, but what do other people thhink about the concept of mushrooms and other natural psychoactive substances being a gateway to the world we really live in?
It's almost like mushrooms give you a chance to see the world if it were made perfectly (like the world of forms from old greek philosophy). Damn I wish I could get some shrooms again...I missed a chance in the summer to trip, and now I regret it.
i was reading aldous huxley's "doors of perception", which is basically a larger writing on the same muse as yours. he writes how lsd, mescalin, and psilocybin were like gateways to the "other world" in which gems, light, being and beauty are exposed to the not-i, the egoless experiencer. he then writes about how the musician can hear the other world all the time, as the visual artist sees the other world all the time, etc., ... a friend of mine always comes up with : everything is nothing, nothing is everything; when he's on mushrooms or other psychedelics (notably the mdma/ketamine combo). i've grasped this very concept for a long time, and it is very strongly linked to your train of thought. everything is infinite, yet when we define it with language, we limit it. we flatten rocks to three dimensions. have you ever felt a tree's being on mushrooms? like an aura, it stretches out to you. that stretch is its connection to your life. your eyes register it as a tree. this world is full of trees, you think. how beautifully they work within themselves and with others, casting shadows and absorbing energy from the sun, letting out oxygen for us to breathe. these strings are our realities. every being in this universe is working, their energies adding to the overall flux of existence. its perception and organization is completely subjective, creating "reality". the one thing about drugs that dilate pupils, i've found, is that you can see all the colours within white light. you can see how their organization is linked to your perception of them. things are able to move when you're on psychedelics because you are realizing all the positions that they can exist in. this opening of possibilities and deconstruction/warping/reconstruction of the perception:reality bond is you seeing into the real world, a world where you are the master. as we grow and learn, we filter out the things that are repeated: green grass, traffic lights, rolling papers. they are all usual objects. when aldous went on a mescalin trip, he was totally into his pants. why pants? cause pants are textured and interesting, beautiful. we usually don't give pants a second glance, but they are nonetheless just as full of colour as anything else in this world. the forms that things take are mere organizations of energy around us, but the fact at the end is that everything is made of the same ebbing energy. we are on its level, and as such, nothing is extraordinary.
i had a weird experience tonight that will ada a lot to this thread, but ill have to update it tomorrow. peace
I have been pondering this idea lately. However, I have a different take on it; we are not only living in our own world; we are like a universe. Inside of us there is a sun (of energy) and around it our personalities orbit.
Great thread man, I totally feel where you are coming from. Have you tried asking yourself questions? Like, "what is the meaning of life?" I'm interested in how many others actually experience our connection on this stuff... I mean it's always practically the same message... You are making it all up, we are all one, our culture isn't as good as it could be, ya know stuff like that. It's usually the same type of message coming from the hallucinagenics, I've always wondered what it's all about. Why such a revelation? Why on drugs??? It's such a beautiful thing, and then if you try to tell another about it that hasn't experienced it they just write it off to you tripping balls and not really experiencing our connection, just hallucinating it. We experience it on drugs that discredit the very thoughts we had. It's insane
im always asking myself impossible questions, epecially while meditating or enjoying a mushroom experience. however, last night i ate about 2 grams and had a pretty bad ego loss. i was seeing really vivid fractal patterns all over everything. it started on the carpets then spread to my legs and the patterns were so complex, i couldnt stop staring but the more i statred thie sicker i felt. i had a pretty bad trip and some peoplr came into my room and interrupted my thoughts while working on a particularly complicated project. it threw me off and i forgot i had my bong sitting out, weed all over th eplace and other shit. luckily my good friend knew my state of mind at the time, hid the stuff while everyone was clustering around my work, and i managed to pull off a strait enough persona to explain what my project was then get them the fuck out. i hate getting interrupted when im in deep thought or trying to take care of something. you cant just be like no, all you 7 people outside my room go away i dont want to speak to you, cause thats just rude. but yea, these fractals i see seem to be more prevelant when im having a bad trip. anyone else get really intense, sickeningly intense fractal patterns while comming up on mushrooms?
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Great posting guys Me too Mr G, Its as though it boosts you into another world or dimension simply of though that cannot really be understood by others- or for the most part, by yourself when your'e sober, i heard animals have their own type of hallucegenics too ! like tigers lick on some leaf, and monkeys on some a type of root and they go into some state similar to us on shrooms, the wonderful gifts of Gaya man, thats what i believe! I see. like everything is really “Nothing†, That There is no point in doing anything if there is nothing to be done. Life is a system, within life is organization. A system of government and a system of economy, also inside the human is a system of social behavior and a system of emotions. Within the human a system of the human body, organs and blood and within those organs is a system of working cells, which turn, into millions of other cells, “every small part of the universe contains a world with an infinite number of creatures.†There truly is no body so small that it cannot be divided, infinite systems greatest going up and least going down. For we are neither big nor neither small, we are what we make ourselves to be. We are nothing, but a dot upon the infinite dots that surround us in this vast space that goes infinite called the universe. Therefore can't we say; there is no point in doing anything if all we are doing Is nothing for this nothing world and this nothing world is surrounded by millions of other nothing worlds inside this infinite universe. But this... is just overthinking things... It seems to be the the case with Every other facet of our lives, we limit, and fail to see the substance of what this amazing journey of living really has to offer, of which we have been so priveleged to be apart, I dont know about anybody else right now man, but I'm just fucking enjoying life... had some beef with family some months ago - so i packed my bags and left for another city, drove down that highway - leaving everything behind... since then, its just been culminative occurance of interesting events and experinces, being 21, I owe alot of my recent changes and discoveries to drugs(this sounds stupid, i know ) but its really true to me man. People who have never experimented-I would believe they have not experienced life in its fullness sense... there is another avenue of living worth discovering, Its the avenue of the mind -and shrooms take you so easily on this trip like everything becomes connected- and you finally - for that brief moment in time, understand everything- on a broader, higher level ... and that is like one of the greatest fucking feelings in the world!
Gah my laptop just cut out half way through a post! I'm so baked I can't remember what I was saying .. I love this thread's potential tho, its really heartening to see more than just me and my tripping buddies have thought about this kind of stuff, that there are people on the same wavelength around the world Retroshark, interesting about your point on UV, kinda related to the loss of depth perception / sense of time. I assume the majority of you will be familiar with Huxley's Doors of Perception.You know the bit when he talks about the reducing valve of the brain, of how the brain as a whole is illiminative not productive, and mescaline/psychedelics actually inhibit the brain and so let more through the reducing valve? Well perhaps the reason why theres a 'negative' change in 3d arrangement / time. Time and Space are two of Kant's priori. They're required for survival and so take a 'backseat' to everything else when you're tripping. I kinda imagine it as everything sort of balances out, and nothing gets a chance to dominate anything else. Strange conclusions could be drawn there.. As to asking yourself the meaning of life on psychedelics? Well I remember thinking about that and just coming up: life is. Sounds strange out of context but when you talk and think on mushrooms words gain an extra dimension to them, if you're on the same wavelength as someone else it doesn't matter what specific words you use because you'll both understand anything, because theres a intrinsic connection between everyone and everything that is prior to language. I dig it. I love trees. Ever since my first trip on truffles/shrooms I've loved trees. I remember staring at a leaf and being blown away. The other thing I have felt a real connection to ever since a trip are the clouds. Y'know they're fractals, too? I remember scribbling down 'everything is BEAUTIFUL' on one trip, and I felt it to be so profoundly true I didn't need to explain any further. Realising the beauty in everything was the culmination of everything. Its just a pity when I get bogged down in the mudane society madness and forget it.. BTW, have you seen this? http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/primer/java/scienceopticsu/powersof10/ The chat about infinity, well fuck I don't know where to start, I have had so many thoughts in my head I don't know how to put them down, I'm waiting for the crystal seed to solidify everything. Srry I doubt that made much sense, I need to go smoke a J
highbinder - on my most intense 2ci trip, i stared up at the clouds while having a cigar. i found myself sitting in my seat about three minutes later. depending on which section of cloud i looked at, the entire sky would start morphing, blue and white moving around as if their previous placements by wind and climate didn't matter at all. if i looked directly at a cloud, nothing would happen to the sky. this made me realize the importance of focus, both mental and visual. try staring at the ground wherever you go, zooming your eye lens back and forth. see what colours and shapes pop out at you most. went for a low-dose trip last night and went to a show. 1 gram chopped up into orange juice and some bumps of ketamine before performances. i was standing and thinking "we are interested in everything we aren't". everything we aren't exclusively, but are part of, is something more of existence/us to figure out. i find the way that we map sounds and events to be very interesting. as g0pher said, we are in an infinite number of systems working at once. the music i listen to is abstract, and so there are no previous systems that i use to evaluate said music : rhythm, harmony, etc. that being said, the sonics are set in time and space. was texting some very interesting words to a girl friend of mine, we were both enthralled with the quality and precision of my wording. on mushrooms, it seems like both perception and expression of symbols is a mere tapping into the universe. i suppose everything could be fascinating. everything's infinite.
I know exactly what you mean. I love that, those super-intelligently done trippin conversations. They're worth recording I think.
Recording is a bit iffy. If it helps you remember what you meant when you were tripping then go for it because conversations flow so fast sometimes that you'll have maybe forgotten a critical point the next morning, but some of the meaning of what you're saying will be lost by not being there-and-then. I found that when we tried using a dictaphone (and carrying it round with us in the countryside) a lot of the stuff we said had flaws that became a lot more apparant when re-listening sober, but thinking about it now me and my mate did take more than just mushies that night so that effect could have been chalked up to that.
Similar to what shagra said, I have always thought mushrooms and other psychedelics open up the mental filters on our consciousness and allow more of the energy and knowledge of the universe to flow through us. I also came to the realization on mushrooms that we are all one consciousness and we have the power to make our own reality. It's like we're all pieces of a puzzle and we can arrange ourselves however we see fit to create our own view of existence.