Do you ever think that people simply aren't willing to sacrifice enough for the benefit of life? I do, I think this is why serial killers, murderers, rapists, and pretty much every criminal needs to be respected for having motivations for their actions, and therefore needs to be honored and appreciated. Maybe you disagree, that's just swell, but I'm serious. Look at the conditions of life, and maybe you might change your mind, because, from my perspective my intentions are being damaged irreperably by society. People constantly commute to work, in their own little cars, on their own little business trips, making only enough money to support themselves, or making so much money that they can't feasibly spend it themselves, but hold on to it anyway, or invest it into a corperation to battle financial competators. Here's the problem, while everyone is polluting the air just to get to work every day, they are effectively cultivating nothing. We are here on Earth, and the greatest source of energy that we will ever possibly know here is the sun, and we are on a day to day basis routinely ignoring this fact. The economy has been racing down a track towards self destruction for the longest time now, and it is destroying everybody with it, we are being desensitized, corrupted and ignored every single generation that we perpetuate, and the problems we have only get worse because we fail to address them at the source. Our entire society is founded upon the bases of compromise, one institution compromising for another, which taints the source of all of our inspirations, so that none of us are representative of our pure holy selves. I think in this world, where children are developing downs syndrom because they are attempting to evolve too fast, or where the whole idea of school is now becoming about sex and the status of your virginity, we need to make great sacrifices in order to preserve our more honest and eternal selves. In the future, I think that people will look back upon insane criminals as heroes, or catalyzing the evolution of our society, for revealing its true face in this mucky swamp of dillusionment, and for making us think where we have only been blind to the truth, and lost our presence of mind. Just imagine if hundreds of thousands of people gathered on top of a mountain to spill their blood onto the soil with sacrificial knives, wouldn't that be a more generous use of their lives, which are so befuddled with waste and pollution? The real problem is that we are all trying to share the total bulk of responsiblities in this world, most of which don't rightly belong to us, the pools which we divine from are corrupted from eachothers presence, and from the obligations which bar us to society. I think that it is entirely hypocritical and wrongful to blame terrorists for wanting to destroy us, when we are so clearly an ignorant threat to this world, we are clearly overstepping our boundaries, and in effect, shitting on everyone else around us just to stay alive. All the while we will constantly deny the fact that we have any problem what-so-ever, even as suicide rates seem to sky rocket, and murders become almost like a casual thing, and we will all be watching the news where everyone is bickering about financial embezzlement and political sex scandals. My point is, are we really dedicating ourselves to learning about the truth? Or towards achieving self realization followed by self actualization after the fact? Or are we just killing ourselves in a fit of apathy and carelessness? I think that in a world such as this, the idea of sacrifice is the most noble idea we can achieve, and in order to ascend towards greatness, it will be most essential for us to make sacrifices in our lifetime.
Maybe you should be a flagellant - because I do not wish to be sacrificed for the purpose of creating a moral equilibrium for the human race. I think there are other ways of accomplishing this balance. And I guess my question is... if you hold these beliefs, why haven't you "sacrificed" yourself already?
Why do we glorify and honour rapists and murders again? I didn't quite follow the line of thought. Generalizations make it easy to be pessimistic, this is something I feel I've learned in my Life. Seeing the good things and getting involved in BEING the change helped me greatly. Do YOU drive a car or take public trans or use some alternative method of transportation?
you know something ive thought about this. and to be honest i think we all know people, plants and animals around us all need struggle to evolve. what dosnt kill us makes us stronger. and some part of our reptillian brain firmly thinks we have to kill off those who are too weak. like the war in Afghanistan in order for every one to evolve we have to kill off these primitive people. sure the war is for oil but subconciously Obama is thinking what i just said. it sounds cold but people are fucked in the head if you ever studied psychology.
I haven't killed myself because I fit into an entirely different catagory of people, those who were meant to live forever, to keep knowledge, to be myself. however, it doesn't have to be the same for everyone, many will see themselves simply as bits and pieces of the universe, and won't deliminate their selves experience from that of anyone else, they see their purpose as being a sacrifice for a greater good. I don't drive, I walk, I fast walk, I run, and I get rides places, rarely I use the public transportation. Generally I stay at home.
There's so much flawed propaganda in your statement I fear using the word logic at all, as there's no real way to connect many of the extreme things you seem to be trying to connect, but I'll break it down and try to critically analyze the most flawed parts of your belief system. Actually what doesn't kill you doesn't always make you stronger. Sometimes, it makes you paralyzed. That's kinda of retarded logic to start with tbh, for those who believe that. We don't glamorize serial killers for any other reason other than the fear and shock they promote. A serial killer is weak and they are not in control, so your belief that we should respect people who are controlled by an addiction to kill means that you yourself support the idea of weakness. Since I've been studying the mind of serial killers for a good fifteen years, I can tell you first and foremost that there is not one serial killer out there who had any sort of control over his addiction. Many of them don't fit well into society because they are sociopaths, barely making it from one day to the next, as their addiction calls for them to kill. They spend the majority of their "lives" mimicking the actions of others, lusting for things that don't exist in reality, but in their mind. Kind of like how many men think cuckholding their wives will be great since it's so great in porn, but in real life, it complicates real things. Also, you are purposefully using certain words to belittle life. People driving to work in their "little" cars, making "little" money etc. From this I assume you're probably in a situation where you can relate. Also, you spend a lot of time talking about problems that only exist in certain parts of the world. Most of the "issues" you go on to rant about aren't really issues at all, unless you let them effect you. The economy hasn't effected me negatively at all. In fact, I've never had so much money in my life and am considering buying a home and some property away from civilization because of the economy Also, you are a human being. One part of 6 billion other virus like organisms whose only real purpose is to spread your dna as far and wide before your degrade to the point you die. What purpose you give yourself beyond this reality, is completely your choice, as grim as it sounds. Also, the mayans believed in Sacrifice, which is why archeologists have spent many decades trying to decode their civilization, since they believed if they sacrificed enough people, they'd have rain. Unfortunately, they killed out the majority of their population, making it easy for Spain to mow them down, rape their women and create a new race known as Mexican. You honestly sound clinically depressed to me. Because you seem to agree with what serial killers do, it makes me wonder a few things about you, such as, how well you do around other people, how you fare in relationships, sexual and non sexual, if you're a loner, which I assume you are, because 90 percent of the world would run from the ideas in your head. It's actually a good thing there's police and there's a society because if there wasn't, I'd hunt down every killer, rapist and child molester who slipped through the cracks and give them a few days of serious torture, before I bled them out and people like you would be out of a job....no offense . Killing monsters is the only way to stop them imo, as rehabilitation is a joke. My philosophy is to be the change you want to see in the world. Otherwise, you're nothing more than the problems you created for yourself. You play the cards you choose, not the cards you're dealt.
I find the atmosphere of argument uncouth and ridiculous, there are factors that we simply are not accounting for here, but the majority of your statements recognize the fact that people are not truly in control of what they are doing, or are in some way or another, but not sociopaths, but I see everyone living here to be a sociopath of the same descript manner that you propose. People who aren't serial killers or rapists aren't simply good natured well mannered folk, they are forced to fulfill unhealthy obligations which, to put it very bluntly, shit on everyone else in the world, they are akin to and analogous to the serial killers and rapists, more than that, they are in actually responsible for them, and therefore are them too. If you can respect your momma, you can just as sure respect anyone capable of committing a crime, because the logic which you propose states that sociopathological killers cycles of logic goes around in circles which they can never break free of, for no reason other than "because", but the condition of because in itself is severely more complex than that, they are motivated to commit to their crimes for lawful and wholesome reasons, which are governed by their inner God. Like you say, it is a 'complicated real thing' which takes a monumental amount of time to accurately describe and relate to people, which is often times why we break out into an uncurable argument rather immediately. Despite being a human who is positively affected by the economy, what other freedoms do you behold? Do you use the things that you have honestly? What does something as simple as toilet paper mean to you? As long as you move away from civilization, how will it begin to improve? Will it improve? What about the wild nature, which lies dormant? Civilization has manufactured many things, but not biology. The natural evolution of biology has been disrupted by civilization. It can be said in many ways that we owe a lot of ourself back to nature. If you want to honestly believe in problems and solutions, and essentially the truth, without lying to yourself, you would realize immediately that your whole life is a facade, to conceal a much greater truth that surpasses your existance. If you don't live for that purpose, you are as worth yourself dead as alive. That purpose, basically, is to transpose history entirely, to reincarnate every idea that has ever begun, and to perpetuate the spirit of our world for an eternity, but you simply don't believe in the ability to complete the facts. You, like everyone else on the planet, suffers from disbelief, you cannot remember your child birth, or what you saw inside yourself, before you were born, or inside anyone else you have ever known, you have never realized what you witness. When you come to believe that you are worth more than what you are wasting, it creates an impetus for crime, which you have only come to believe is unjust.
The funny thing about your posts, is that you're not making any kind of an argument for anything. You think you are, but in fact, like Jared Loughner, you're coming to conclusions based on your own beliefs and writing them off a logical conclusion. If that was the case, other people wouldn't get lost to figure out wtf it is you're trying to imply. So far this is your argument: The world is bad, people are worse. We should regurgitate/recycle ideas, whether they're successful or not. This is actually pretty close in itself to the definition of insanity, trying the same failed action/idea, and expecting a different result. Perpetuating the spirit of the world? Come again? Serial killers are good and if we can respect our own mothers, we should respect them, because it's a possibility that we can respect one, so we SHOULD respect the other by definition. You belief in faith, which is the opposite of logic, requires no thought, and you tell me that I suffer from disbelief because my logic can be followed and yours cannot. In reality, no one alive holds any freedoms because freedom, like security, is a made up word and is not possible in reality. Any freedom can be impeded, as any any form of false security can be destroyed. Anything, even your ability to think is corruped by the fact that you're an imperfect human being, being controlled by your environment. I've reread what you wrote about 10 times and honestly, I see more religious jargon in your post that argument based on logic or experience. You keep jumping back and forth between what you believe and then trying to argue like it's a fact, while providing no evidence of anything, other than your own belief system. See the problem there? A wise Taiwanese man once told me that a human beings worth is measured by what they can offer to their family. So I ask you, of what worth are you to your own family? Are you an asset or a liability? About biology. Using logic, it's clear to see that all things, even man made technology created by human beings is the result of biology. Even your ability to argue a point may be biology's way of making a joke, because with or without a god, biology allowed you to happen, which tells me nature has a sense of humor, no offense. You claim civilization is impeding nature, but I completely disagree. Human beings were created by nature, are a part of nature, and will always be a part of nature. Everything on earth is composed of carbons, living or not. Even if human beings wiped off every animal on earth and caused a mass extinction, it wouldn't parallel the amount of animals previous who came and went. We couldn't leave a footprint on the earth if we tried. You don't believe me? The earth will eventually do away with us, this conversation, technology, this species and eventually, something else will rise up, take our place, die, etc. How do you know that human beings didn't exist 2 billion years ago, get wiped off the planet, the world reshaped itself completely leaving no trace whatsoever and then we re-evolved again. You couldn't prove or disprove that with all the argument in the world, but with your imagination, anything is possible, like your belief that serial killers have a purpose. If that's the case, why don't serial killers ever target anything but something weaker. A serial killer is the result of failing to cover your lie, which the average person seems to do pretty well on a daily basis, but you can't say the same thing about a dysfunctional, no relationship having, bruised penis masturbator who can't hold a 4 second conversation with a girl because he has mommy issues haha. There's a lot of discussion of self worth in your argument and I hate to burst your bubble, but you are in no way significant. Even if you played the guitar better than anyone on earth, if you killed almost everyone, or didn't you're still confined by your inability to live forever and by your death. You're still 1 part of a 6 billion+ collective of a human beings. Your vote is as insignificant as your belief system. You can argue all you want, but your worth is nothing, unless you give yourself worth or others give it to you. Without these two choices, you have nothing because there is nothing beyond this, regardless of how poetic you try to make it, oh yes, I can follow your poetry too You asked about society. I could give a shit what happens to society or you tbh, because biology made me hungry and my environment made me mean. If we ran out of food on this earth and my kids were hungry, I'd kill and eat you faster than you could say, "what's for dinner." I don't pretend to be important or pretend to believe in truth. You wont find truth anywhere on this earth but your mind or another humans mind. Ask a dog what truth is and see what he says. The things that are inside of your mind exist no where else in a "conscious world" and if your beliefs held as much truth as you say, this wouldn't be the first time I've found them written down anywhere. You can't possibly be the first person to have discovered this idea and since there's 6 billion people here now and millions before you, I'd have to say that your idea is a drop in an ocean that nobody noticed, until I got bored and thought, eh, I'd rather respond than watch a rerun....
Right on, OP. It's good to know that if I ever decide to rape you, you'll be applauding my motives at the same time.
Self-righteous, narcissistic like a mother fucker. Sadly you're a part of the majority, and the 90% who runs from the OPs ideas to spread your own hatred and violence. Quite frankly youre a disgusting hypocritical cunt. You must really love being the monster you seek to destroy huh? Rehabilitation isn't a joke, you are. "Be the change you want to see in the world" then get the fuck out there and start killing and torturing people you dont agree with!
You know what the difference between a monster and a non monster is? Action. About being a hypocrite, welcome to humanity. No need for the name calling it belittles you and is against the rules. Your weakness is apparent by your inability to control your response.
Im not on this forum to impress you. Im calling bullshit on the stupid fucking garbage that has come out of your mouth. Im more interested in the truth then sugar-coating what I say for douches over the internet. Rules be damned. Your weakness is apparent by the way you want to condemn murderers for murdering by torturing them and stooping to their level.
We are greedy and selfish beings by nature. Its fucking tragic, but thats how it is. People are dying in the world this very minute due to having no water, yet I look around and see people washing their cars, lawns being watered, people taking 20+ min showers, pools filled with gallons of water out behind the house, etc. Obviously I can play the same game with food, money, etc. I realize I am a greedy, selfish, hypocritical person who could do with much less, but at least I realize and think about this at times. I don't think most people even realize how much their own life style affects other peoples lives. I also live a bit more realistically now, im no hippy, but life is much better without all the bullshit people bring into it. While me cutting back will have such a small impact you couldn't even measure it, I like to think there are a billion or 2 like me in the world, whos powers unit
You must also realize that it doesn't have to be this way. Humans aren't inherently greedy or selfish by nature. They're inherently ignorant and lack knowledge, the problem is that we currently grow up in a society that worships greed and selfishness. Just because we've been doing it for the past hundred thousand years does not mean that we must stick to this fucked up lifestyle.