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Discussion in 'Indoor Grow Journals' started by TruLee, Sep 3, 2010.
very nice man.
Looking soo frosty!
wow. she is coming along great! so crystaly! Did you solve your smell issue?
Thanks! Always happy to push porn to the masses.
But yeah, still a bit early in flower I'd say.. but things are looking stable and abundant for this lady so far. Plan to flush with molasses at some point soon.. 7-10 days before harvest maybe? Or longer....
Smell? Only when you get close, or let her shake a bit. Manageable.
Below, I think I have my plans for harvest. I learned so much from this.
(Originally contributed by glass joe, stonerforums.com)
"Commercial growers take the colas from the plant and manicure them before drying. They usually dry them on a line, upside-down, which is fine.
However, usually airflow is forced, and temps too high, humidity too low. As soon as the buds are considered dry (usually a few days), it is sold. The reason for this behavior is the fact they are, as I said, commercial growers and in a constant hurry to exchange their buds for cash. Every minute counts and they don't want to 'waste' the space or the time needed for drying and curing. This results in harsh, grassy tasting weed that lacks the full-bodied flavor and smooth stone of properly dried and cured bud. To do it right:
At harvest-time all you have to do is cut the plant as low as possible and hang the whole thing upside down to dry on a line. The room you use to dry should be the about the same size you grew in (if not the same room). The humidity should remain a constant 50-60%. Too high and buds will mold, too low and they dry too fast and taste bad. Temperature should be around 65-68 degrees, wherever possible. Make sure the room is dark, as light degrades THC.
All kinds of processes, like the transport of sugars inside the plant still take place, even when you cut it down. These processes will slowly come to an end while the drying progresses, but are the main factor for the end-taste of your smoke. That is the first reason why you don't want to quick-dry your weed. The second reason is the way that a plant dries. Plants are made up of cells and, as we all know, cells contain mainly water. Exposed to air, the (dying) plant's outer cells will dry out first but the above-mentioned processes will still transfer water from the inner cells to the dryer outer cells, thus causing the plant to dry equally all over. By removing the stalk and cutting off the individual colas, you prevent this natural process by taking away the extra moisture that would be drawn from the stem to the leaves and bud. Got it? Good! Moving on...
Make sure you hang the plants so that they do not touch each other (invites mold). With constant temp and humidity, the plants should be ready for manicuring in 3-4 weeks. At this time trim colas from the main stalk, and trim large and medium fan leaves (save them for making hash), leaving most of the smaller leaves sticking out of the bud in tact. Hang them up again and for a day or two, until 'popcorn' dry. The stems should snap when you bend them, and the bud should be dry, but not brittle. Now for the curing...
Trim all remaining leaf (save for hashmaking) tight to the buds, and trim smaller buds from larger stems. Store them airtight; air at this point degrades THC. Note- ziplock bags are not airtight! You could use buckets with an airtight lid like used for food and sauces and such, but the best containers are those glass jars with the rubber seal and latch. Just put as much bud in it as possible using light pressure. The point is to fill it as much as possible, so not too much air remains in the container. The less air, the better. To be safe, check them the next day to make sure it's still dry (did not 'sweat'). Any excess moisture at this point will invite mold. If it did sweat and is moist (soft) again, lay the bud out on something other than newspaper and put in a dry place to get the last water out.
Repack and place the container in a cool, dark place, like a refrigerator. Note- fridges have high humidity so they must be absolutely airtight.
The longer it sits, the better it gets, both in taste and potency. You can move some of it to the freezer to almost stop the aging and curing process. Once you've got some buds stored in the freezer, you have a private stash that will last a long time. If you've got the patience to wait, the smoke will be sweet and smooth. The high will be mellow, and longer lasting. If you grew enough to last you a while, then after a few harvests you will be able to have properly cured buds at your disposal, with no downtime waiting for the next batch to cure!
If you're not in a hurry, you owe it to your head to wait the extra time and have great tasting, very potent bud! Curing is the only way to make harvested bud more potent, so try it, you won't be disappointed! "
- So yeah I thought that was great... and I just might follow it exactly
Depending on my yield, I do plan on keeping a large portion stored away.. so I'll leave it airtight in the fridge for a month.. (sample some super-potent cured).. then pop in freezer.
Thanks again GC for your comments, concerns, and general sense of "hey.. I give a shit about this" during my project. Look forward to sharing my future endeavors.
Our harvest dates are going to be around the same time, can't wait to see what we produce.
Not frost, those trichomes are sprouting trichomes, Looking good man, Keep it green and stinky
First of all I think you may have accidentally stated that you should hang dry the plant for threee to four weeks WAY too long, To properly dry your fruits, the hang time depends on the size and denseness of your buds, but usually it will take anywhere from 3 to 5 DAYS not weeks! After this initial dry, ONLY the thinnest stems should NEARLY snap, after this process you will want to take 2 paper grocery bags, a third that will be cut into 1" strips. 1 layer of buds on the bottom of 1 paper bag, then a layer of paper strips, then another layer of buds... til bag is full. Then turn other paper bag upsidedown over the top of the full sac. Leave to sit for 2 to 3 days, I flip the bags over once a day.
After this process your buds can be removed from stems(at this point the stems should snap as you did mention. and placed into mason jars, You DO NOT want to over stuff your jars, the idea is to have some air space in there to aid in the curing process. your buds will be dry yet spongey from the resins that remain in the plant. After 24 hrs. check your jars and if thre is any moisture on the sides of the jars, leave jar open for 1 day. If not leave jar open for an hour daily for the first week or so, then every other day for 1/2 an hour for up to a month. This process of proper dry/cure will maximize flavor and potency of your ganja.
Ive learned this process from the master himself "BudSlinger" The man knows his shit. Did this to my last batch, and holy fuck was I ever impressed. PERFECT tasting and STRONG as fuck. Trust me. The other thing I noted was the statement that 50 to 60% humidity is ideal, well actually around 40% is where you want your humidity while drying, Never cure in a refrigerator as there is way too much humidity, also too cold, 60 degreees is the temp you should shoot for during dry and cure.
I know that if you try THIS method, you will NEVER dry/cure your weed any other way.
Good luck brother, Im subbed and will be watching this one. Stop by my growsky sometime. BD (Hope some of this info can help you.)
Bubbledust, SUP thanks for posting. (FYI I didn't originally post that drying-curing method, was from another post that I found interesting)
What you pointed out does make sense, 3-4 weeks seems like a long time to hang/dry.. but I think that's if I hang the entire bush. Sure chopping/hanging separate colas cause the buds to dry out faster.. but I hope there isn't a negative impact on potency when compared to hanging the whole thing .. The added time may not be worth it?
I REALLY like the paper bag method.. and if you say it produces good results (as well as for Budslinger) .. then I might try that for sure. I won't fill up the jars too much, and make sure things don't get too humid. Also, in the fridge, the buds would still be kept air-tight to cure.. but only the ones I plan to freeze/store. (IF ANY! lol)
Thanks again for the feedback, peace and GL
There is no neg. effect from hanging individual branches as opposed to the whole plant, other than its alot easier to manicure your branches than the whole plant prior to hanging, and all the moisture in the main stalk isnt leeched out into the other branches that you want to dry.
wordd. It seems that hanging the entire tree upside down would really defeat the purpose of drying out and curing my fresh buds asap.. which is what I intend on doing! We'll see how much of it reaches the full 1 month of curing planned
News from the greenhouse:
NO PICS Camera is down..
She has not gained much height if any at all since my last update.. and let me tell you that is good news. My light anchor had but TWO inches left of suspension or the top buddings would be leaning against the "sun".
So, instead of height, shes obviously juicing up. Stinking sweet. Literally sweet, and thick aroma. The buds along the main cola are getting huge, and forming well.
Her side colas (a lot) are becoming so heavy, they are basically laying horizontal. This is causing some lower growth/budding to lose direct light..
but I think my girl distributes her energy very well.
Every single one of her fan leaves are in-tact and untied. From what I've read and comprehended from the gurus here @GC.. trimming/tucking/tying of leaves or axillary branches negatively impacts photosynthesis, energy storage, and energy release in all stages of the plant's life! Especially blooming. Au Natural, baby.
I do plan on LST/Scrog next grow. Simply to experiment and compare results of course! I have the required equipment. Heck, might even order a seed and pump it full of supplements. Use diff soil, etc. Maybe not take a strict organic route.
Bdusty, your posts have brought me enlightenment, and for that I appreciate! +rep
Thanks bro, anytime, if I can ever be of assistance let me know. Good luck w/ the weeds
Update; Week 6 of Flower
The upper cola is like one giant bud
This is the main bush after tying/supporting. Almost all of the side colas were laying horizontally due to the weight of the budding.. they couldn't support themselves so I used 24-gauge floral wire to anchor the colas to the main stem.. and it worked wonders.
She's so dense and bushy, so it was pretty difficult to get in there and anchor the branches without disturbing the buds.. but It looks as if I have a knack for it My hands/wrists/arms smelled pretty crazy when I was done, lol.
Nice shot of a dense bud
SO GC, I turn to you now. Based on what you've seen, 6 weeks into flower, when is it recommended that I harvest? I'm going for strong, mature, and potent buds.. but not so much that it knocks you out. Am I looking at 2-3 weeks? Or sooner??
The flash was on in the last trich pic.. which made it harder to examine them I think..
I got the tripod out and wanted to get a closer look. After snapping them and uploading, I think the details turned out pretty well.
Unless the light is fooling me, it looks like most of them are milky/cloudy. By the time more pistils mature/redden, things thicken up, and ~25% amber trichs.. I'll chop.
I must spread rep around before i give it back to you man.
Beautiful plant man. Did you really chop it? Any harvest pics?
ty! No, havent harvested yet. I figure in 2 weeks tops. Buds will dense up still, pistils/trichomes need to mature some. I had planned on an 8 week flower, so things are moving along perfectly.
You know you'll get pics
simply mouth watering
Here's our lady Red for your viewing pleasure, 47 days into flower:
^ Lower bush, mid-upper cola budding ^
Decent trich shots! Almost positive I can spot some amber in there.
these are shots of the upper cola & top. Notice problem areas.
^ These trichs are on the side of the top budd, some still clear, mostly cloudy.
I plan to flush/harvest soon!! The issue on the top growth is worrying me, and the buds don't seem to be maturing or feeding off those leaves.
SO.. does the rest of her look ready? Any feedback, faithful viewers?
Trichs are a little sparse for 47 days.
I would feed her for one more week and then flush for a week or so, then CHOP EM DOWN!
yeah I had planned on an 8 week flower.. so 2 more weeks (feed/flush).. sounds okay. I picked up some blackstrap molasses for the last 2 weeks. I've had to add more wire anchors as the bud-covered colas fail to support themselves. Easily avoided
Stopping in on this one EXTRA late Looking good! don't worry too much about the leaves changing colors/dying off, it's fine in the late stages of flowering. A little more time to plump them up and you should be just a few snips away from some fresh buds Make sure to post up the harvest details/pics for us!