1st Grow: Grow Log... and how do they look?

Discussion in 'Growing Marijuana Indoors' started by Sk8orDie, Feb 14, 2007.

  1. Hey,

    My friend finally decided to give growing a shot. Did a lot of reading and prep work and now finally has a little something to show for it. Had 32 seeds total: 10 California Orange, 10 Ice, 10 Bubblicious and 2 Sour Diesel Seeds (found in a bag of sour diesel's... he'll keep an eye on these).

    Anyway, he planted the seeds in rockwool almost 6 days ago. The rockwool was soaked in tap water for 15 minutes. Since then he found out you're supposed to soak it for 24 hours in a pH adjust, nutrient enriched water. So, he's been misting them a few times a day with water with a pH between 6-6.5 and .25/.25/.25 nutrient enriched with General Hydroponics nutrients (.25 teaspoons of FloraBloom, FloraMicro, FloraGrow per gallon, adjusted to the size of the spray bottle). The rockwool is very damp, but there's no water pooling underneath or in the tracks of the tray. He has slowed the misting to only a small amount (2-4 sprays) once or twice a day with pH adjusted water with 1ml h2o2/gallon.

    2 days ago the first seedling broke the surface and within the next 24 hours 21 more broke the surface. They grew fast for the first 24 hours and got to almost the size in the picture. At that point they were placed a little over 5 feet below a 1000w MH lamp 24/0.

    During the next 24 hours (yesterday until now) their vertical growth seemed to slow down a lot, almost to the point of stopping. He thinks that it might be because they stopped stretching when they were moved from the 100w Halogen to the 1000w MH, which obviously puts out a lot more lumens). However, the first two leaves (which will, from his understanding, turn into the first node) have fanned outward and are growing slowly.

    The temperature is around 70 degrees with a humidity around 40% right now. He attached a terrarium heating pad attached to the bottom of the tray (supposed to heat 5-10 degrees) so hopefully that'll bring the plants to a higher temp.

    I have a few questions (if you'd like any additional information or pictures he'd be more than happy to provide them)...

    How do they look?


    Is the slowed growth normal until the first leaves get bigger and, if so, when can he expect growth to accelerate?

    Is the nutrient enriched misting okay, being I know you shouldn't give nutes for the first 3 weeks or so? He was just worried because he didn't initially soak the rockwool properly.

    When should he transplant the seedlings into soil? The soil is ~60% Miracle Gro (he know the stories, but he already has it and a lot of people seem to say it's okay) 20% perlite and 20% vermiculite, just in case your wondering.

    Images are attached below and this thread will be updated as they grow... hopefully! The first one was taken yesterday, the rest were taken an hour or two ago and the last one is of a seedling that didn't look so hot (there's only one or two like that, the one pictured being the worst by far and looking a little better now).

    Thanks in advance for your help,

    Sk8
     

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  2. And the fortune cookie says. "The future looks bleak and frustrating for you and your friend." For one i am not sure 1 1000w MH will be enough for all those plants. Maybe 2 600w would of been better. You can get them closer and have 2 for a broader area of light. You guys sound like you plan on going all out with nutrients etc. Miracle grow contains time released nutes. If you give them your own nutes and then miracle grow decides to give them nutes you will definitly burn your plants, kill them, stress them, and stunt them. There is one bag of MG that did not contain this time release crap but i couldn't find it. My opinion is ditch the MG! But i will definitly tag along and watch your grow and see how it does with the MG. GL
     
  3. lol, you sure know a lot about your "friends" grow. I don't use rockwool but I'll take a stab at it, someone will correct me if I'm wrong. I would put them in 16 oz lightproof cups until like a week or two into veg. before they become root bound, you'll see roots coming out drain holes. then transplant them into your pots. you want about 1 gallon of pot for every month you want to grow until harvest. allow about 6 to 10 weeks of flower depending on strain. 5 gallon pots can really grow some monsters. it would be well worth your while though to ditch the mg and go with something better. you can get results but you're going to have problems. check out my grow and see, "2nd grow at 28 days" I wouldn't use nutes yet. I'm not a big fan of misting either. check the ph of your drain when you water. maybe add some ph down to bring the ph down over time. kick ass light man. I think you can get that thing to with in 3 feet of your plants. hold the back of your hand under it. find the distance that is not to hot and attach a sting or something to it to keep at the top of your canopy. good thing you switched light cause halogens won't work. gl man. nice to see you've done some homework
     
  4. you might add some lighting when they get bigger depending on how much you want to veg., and how many females you get.
     
  5. Thanks for all the replies, and I do know a lot about my friends grow ;).

    In sixteen hours he would have planted the seeds one week ago and the first seedling broke the surface 3 days ago (with almost all the rest coming up within the 24 hours after that)

    The first true leaves are about 50-75% bigger than they were last night and all the seedlings poking through are now open and above the surface.

    As for the nutes, they aren't getting any anymore. The only reason he was giving them was because the rockwool wasn't soaked any any at the beginning. Now they're just getting a mist of 1ml h2o2/gallon of water when the rockwool starts to feel dry (which it hasn't since yesterday).

    The light is still a little over 5 feet away. He's nervous about moving it any closer in fear of burning the little guys. He knows that 1000w isn't enough for 22 plants, but he's only gonna transfer the strongest 20, and is assuming that in a week or two he'll be down to 16-18. And if a lot of them look strong, can always add another light a little down the road.

    He sucked some water out of the rockwool and it had a pH ~8. He knows this is high, but is it okay until they're transfered to soil? From what he understands the pH is mainly for nutrient uptake and since they're not getting any nutes now, should it be a problem? He obviously wants to bring the pH down, but is not sure how to do it while they're in the rockwool without drowning the seedlings.

    The temperature is now ~78, so seem to have that problem under control.

    The pictures are from about a half hour ago, the last one being of the guy that didn't look good last night. And, once again, if there's any other info or pictures you'd like just ask.

    I'll keep updating this thread as the guys grow up.
     

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  6. you can put them into individual small containers any time now so they can start to develop first root system. high ph will cause lock out of some nutrients. even though the nutrients are present your plant won't be able to use them. it would have been way better to adjust rock wool before starting seedlings, as you know, but what's done is done, I don't blame you for trying to save them, I would too. let your soil get pretty dry before watering. this will encourage roots to grow seeking moisture. don't let it get so dry that they wilt. when you water them, give them a good dose, enough for about 10 % of volume to come out drain. adjust ph of water you use to bring ph of your medium down over time as quickly as you can. test drain it should slowly come down each time you water. you want to get it as close to a ph of 6.8 as you can.
     
  7. My friend transplanted 20 seedlings yesterday and 5 more (that were lagging behind) today. They all seem to be progressing nicely and looking better everyday! Ended up with 9 Ice, 7 Bubblicioius, 7 California orange, and 2 Sour Diesel.

    I've included some new pictures of the little guys :love:, and will keep you guys posted on further progress, and to post more pictures.

    - Sk8
     

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  8. My friend hasn't done anything to the little guys since they were transplanted two days ago, but they're looking strong. The leaves have started growing noticeably faster and a second set of leaves are starting to become visible. They're starting to actually look like plants! As always, more pictures.

    He put a metal tin with some water in it to help raise the humidity and now it's up to 36%. The light is at about 4.5 feet and the temp is ~71 and ~74 when he's in there with them. (He know, but it's really cold there and there's not much he can do about this until the it gets warmer).

    How do they look? One of them has a twisted leaf and a few look a little yellow. Should he be worrying/doing anything about either?


    - Sk8
     

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  9. damn thats gonna be alot of herb. anyways good luck and stay safe.:)
     
  10. can you stop saying your friend? its kinda annoying
     
  11. sorry man, didn't mean to offend
     
  12. there's a lot there now, but once the 1kW is not enough for all of em we're gonna kill the weak ones. probably only end up with 9-12 by the end.
     
  13. kewl look forward to seein the updates
     
  14. Not much new to report. The leaves appear to be growing faster now than they have been and the second set of leaves are becoming easily visible in most of the plants. The soil is starting to feel dry, but it's moist an inch or two down so gonna hold off until late tomorrow to water. Instead I misted them all today, only 2 sprays of water+h202 each.

    The pictures are, in order: california orange, sour diesel, ice, bubblicious, and an overview of a few pots

    -Sk8
     

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