15 States file to secede from the Union.

Some people started petitions on that worthless whitehouse.gov petition site. Totally different than the state governments actually seeking to secede...

Strike that up as another unreliable news source performing irresponsible journalism and seeking to stir shit to gain notoriety.

 

reading that makes me feel like some people need a nappy-time and bottle.

 

Given that almost all of those pettitions have the same phrases almost verbatim, i suspect that more than likely a lot of them are being spearheaded by a particular group or group of individuals rather than being a true reflection of the populace (given how the results kinda point towards Obama having legitimately won the election... by a rather large margin as well.)

 

It's actually 20 states. Besides that some of the states that want to "seceed" from the US are ones that voted for Obama... A petition is by no means admitting that the actual states want or will approve of this. That being said, at 25k signatures the state has to make a motion for it by state legislative representives. Texas is currently at 23k. A texas state Republican rep stated

Texas would be stupid to seceed however. Mexico would, in very short order, try to take it back into their country.
ReallyRed- you are 100% correct. They have all been lead by one website, currently I can't remember the name however.
Also, this is not the first time this has happened. Almost every election some state has sent a petition around for it. It will never be passed.

 

Not only would Mexico be able to do something about it (take away Texas's federal influences such as the military) Canada could also see about absorbing some of those states which are closer to us if they did seceed... people joke that we don't have a military to speak of but we do (and it's not a lousy one either, we just don't flex our muscles all that much compared to the U.S.)

For example, if states such as Maine, Vermond and New Hampshire were to seceed, they're close enough to our borders (and some of our military installations) that absorbing them wouldn't be as hard as some might suggest... and politically, those states are close idelogically to the way we do things that it probably wouldn't be a hard-sell either... same with New york state... and these states are all valuable both in terms of economic power and trade (for resources) and also strategically that it would be a benefit for Canada to adopt them if they wished to come join us. And before anyone says it, we DO allow citizens to bear arms... we just want to have them licensed properly and registered with the law enforcement agencies (it isn't an unreasonable request when you actually think about it.) also, the rates that Canadians pay in taxes is actually on par with what Americans pay in taxes but our taxes come with the benefit of having universal health care provided by the state (so you don't have to pay upwards of $4-10k in insurance costs.)

Still, If the USA were to fracture, there would surely be conflict which would put things in a tricky position given that Canada and the US do a lot of business with eachother both for economic reasons and trade... so, if y'all were to fracture into civil war then it'd hurt us as a result.

at the end of it though, this whole thing still smacks of sour-grapes and whining.

 

the sour grapes and whining are because of the war on marijuana,,,people see the corporate influence over ending marijuana legalization so easily that it has awakened them to the fact that corporations run this country,,a lot more than they thought.

""Texas would be stupid to seceed however. Mexico would, in very short order, try to take it back into their country.""

If the Mexican army can't stop the cartels in a country where guns are illegal,,,what makes you think they can attack Texas where every citizen can own guns and are usually excellent shots?

 

Alright, then. Mexico may not have a large standing army (if any) but those same mentioned cartels would be eager to expand their influence. Militia vs cartel, cartel would win
really- completley right. War of 1906 (i think that was the year) proves that. US invaded Canada and we got our ass whipped.

 

The drug cartels are able to move freely around mexico's border citys in pursuit of war but to think that a Cartel has the resources nor military knowledge to be able to combat a well developed military rich state such as texas is nieve.Controlling a large area and holding that area takes a much larger financial ability than what most cartels have . Simply put this is ALL speculation but in my opinion the state of Texas could easily hold its own especially against a weaker force such as mexico or canada.

 

You seriously think that if they DO seceed that the federal government will keep their troops and bases in Texas to defend it?

Remember, Military = federal

... for some reason this thread is starting to remind me of the separationist movement in Quebec (some want to seceed but they don't want to lose the federal benefits that come with being a part of Canada.)

 

Let's think this through, though. Most of the democrats would leave Texas, as they don't want to seceed.
The majority of the Texas population is Hispanic. Over 60% I believe. I don't think many will fight again the Mexican cartels.
Only one's that would is the Republicans in Texas. Which, albeit, is a majority, but think about it. If the cartels can take and hold Texas that's over some 500 odd miles of border that they can now export through. Which means more border patrol, but this time all along Lousiana, Oklahoma and New Mexico. Way more resources than the U.S. could station border patrol along.
That's a pretty penny they could make by taking it over.
Besides the point, none of the above matters. Nothing in this thread matters. Because the U.S. will never allow a state to seceed.

 

HAHAHAHA. First of all you have 23k signatures to secede in the state? 3.2 million +voted to elect Obama in the state of Texas. There will be no secession because no state is totally red or blue. What are you going to say to those people? Get up and leave? What about when they refuse? You going to attack their homes and families or crater your state economies by refusing to patronize their businesses? No, no, and no way. This goes for all the other states as well. Since when are conservatives pro marijuana? Take a look at the voting records of your conservative heroes and you will see just how \\pro MJ and pro MMJ they actually are. Not very. Any band of morons can get 50k signatures on a petition but as I said in another thread, you can't secede by a petition and the President would never let it happen. The honey boo boo crowd doesn't have the stomach to do what it would take to actually fight a new civil war.

 

But, thing is... the election shows that the people HAVE already spoken... and they want Obama in office.

all this talk of seccession IS basically a bunch of people that are whining like little babies and throwing a tantrum because they didn't get what they want. Newsflash, the USA is a democratic country (the process, not the political party.) Sometimes you have to accept that you can't get what you want all the time... that's kinda one of the hallmarks of a mature adult jsyk... and adults shouldn't be whining like children when they didn't get what they want.

 

I disagree that it is just people disappointed because Mitt the twit didn't win the election,,America is waking up and realizing just how much corporations run this country. A lot of them voted for Obama and then tried too drop out of the Union,,and the war on marijuana and the ignoring of science,history and common sense by the government over marijuana is one of the major flags pointing that out.

 

... so how then does Colorado and Washington factor into that conspiracy theory? If anything it should be a clarion call that the democratic process is still alive and thriving in the US.

just be patient... in a couple years so long as those in those two states don't fuck it up (by being idiots with their pot consumption and completely irresponsible with their intoxicated selves) other states will start to see the benefit and the shift will continue.

I can understand if you're just cynical about the whole thing as there's a lot to be cynical of... but at least try to direct that cynicism to where it applies.

 

It will be curious to watch the interaction between the state and federal levels in Colorado and Washington. The feds lack the manpower to cause wholesale mischief, if its a windfall for the states because of revenues, and gains from not jailing stoners, they might threaten to arrest the federal agents themselves for rocking the boat and potentially causing losses of revenues and jobs. The new pot industry employs lots of people and is a bonus to all.
Texas like Utah has always wanted their own little kingdom, this happens every election cycle and adds nothing to solving problems, it only showcases crybabies who are pissy about losing the election..

 

Pretty much... Though i can see texas surviving for a couple years given that they have some oil left but given the tariffs and other costs of being an independant country doing business internationally, they'd probably crumble pretty quickly and either be annexed by another country (the USA being one) or come crawling back, snivling like children that they didn't know what they really wanted.

besides, though they were a predominantly republican voting state, there were still quite a few people that voted for the Dems... what are they going to do with all those other texans that didn't vote for Rmoney? if they did managed to secede, there'd be internal conflicts and (basically) a civil war on their hands... and what's to stop another country from invading while they're fighting amongst themselves? nothing... it's rediculously impractical to believe that any nation can fight a war on two fronts (externally and internally in this particular example) it's a strategic weakness.

and though you could suggest that maybe the red-states could band together, what then? same situation applies... in all reality i do hope that they do... it might teach them a valuable lesson that bipartisan bickering is more to blame for ruining America more than anything else.

and lastly... does anyone really think that those senators that are at the helm of those states would be willing to give up their cushy job with massive pay just to secede? they know who, at the end of the day, signs their paycheques.

 

CO and WA figures in because of the awaited response from the feds,,and everyone expects the DEA to respond with anything but flowers and grow tips.
If you were keeping up with Mark Klieman and Kevin Sabet,two of the main tools of the propaganda machine paid with tax dollars to spread their poison towards any hint of sanity you would better understand my opinion.

The government's propaganda ministers and worker bees are so busy trying to protect their budgets and to threaten them even more,,countries around the world are moving forward on ending prohibition,,more budgeting will be required to "buy" those countries back into the fold,,and congress is in the cutting funding mode,,a happily dangerous atmosphere to ask fo more money to give to other countries.

But congress,thanks to their corporate controllers,,will give them that money while eviscerating S/S and Medicare and even Food Stamps to have it to give,,and America is beginning to see that.