what up guys well I scored about 40 tenth gen seeds from a local grower so my hopes are high he was telling me he starts up in april and there done in june so by the time all the asses are out trying to rob ya you have allready come and gone never mind the fly bys that start in august and end in nov Im gonna let a couple of them go to seed for next year if anyone lives in the central newyork area and they wants some good seed ill have some in july give me a shout and ill send ya some free the seed