Turn one flowering plant into many clones?

Discussion in 'First Time Marijuana Growers' started by Vertimnus, Feb 19, 2012.

  1. Hello forum,
    This is my first grow. I have 5 plants that vegged for 6 weeks and are now into their 2nd week of 12/12 flowering. My plan has been to sacrifice my first confirmed female into as many cloned plants as possible w/o killing her.
    I understand that this is stressing to the plant, its clones, and that it will take a while to revert the clones back to vegging, but I am wanting to SOG them w/o needing to go thru the hassle of planting 8 or 10 plants only to get a 90% male ratio...
    But can I make this work? What kind of time-line "might" I expect, and what would be the best way to go about this...if anyone even agrees that it can even be done effectively.
    Look forward to hearing from you more experienced growers out there. Thanks in advance for any input or advice!
     
  2. yes, you can reveg your plant, but its more stressful on the clones, and takes a lot longer.

    its more difficult doing it the way you plan, but doesnt mean it not possible.

    I've never tried reveg, but you can expect a couple, to a few weeks.
     
  3. im in 1st grow in 2nd wk 12/12 and will do the same thing but im staying in 12/12 with the clones vs veging them so i can stay in same room and light cycle. am building toward a perpetual grow where im harvesting a little every so often and keeping the 12/12 going with maturation 60-70ish days apart. my thoughts any way and the time line works out
     

  4. So I think you are saying that cutting the one female up into clones, putting those clones into water/rockwool/whatever and leaveing them under 12/12 is the better way to go? That's an option I hadn't considered...thought they'd just die on me. Might be worth giving a shot. I really hate to I.D. a female out of my first grow and needlessly sacrifice her!
     
  5. He's saying he doesn't veg at all and just puts them under 12/12. Definition of SOG really. I wouldn't stick them under a HID until they root though. They need next to no light while they're rooting.

    From my own experience, clones taken from a flowering mother can take up to 3 weeks to root (had one root just on the 2 1/2 week mark)
     
  6. im going straight to soil with clonex and hope for a short 10 day rooting and just keep going. i plan to take one snip from 3 different plants , marking them to follow strain, quality and success keeping the stress evenly divided. my understanding is that it isnt a prob going 12/12 from clone
     
  7. Personally I never take cuttings during veg. :)

    When cut during flower, they root just as fast as they do normally if not quicker, they revert back to veg very rapidly as well, much faster than a revegging plant with a pre-existing root system (and even more so depending how early or far along into bloom you are), and due to the branch altering hormone released during flowering, which tightens the nodal spacing into what we see as 'bud', a revegged cutting creates a numerous, multiple-branched 'candelabra' effect as it reverses, producing an incredibly stout, bushy plant.
    By the time they root (2 - 5 days), vegetative growth has almost always already begun, combined with the increased branching, and the fact you don't need a 'mother' kept almost perpetually kept in veg, flowering cuttings will trump a vegetative cutting any day of the week :D


    As for the ideal time to take a flowering cutting, for most plants and environments (both of which effect the rate of development) it is usually between 21 - 26 days 12/12, you should have little golf-ball buds showing now so the branching hormone is strong, but it's early enough that the ability to revert back to veg is almost instant.
    More often than not though, I'll be taking cuttings right up until harvest day, especially from plants grown from seed which I'm only just beginning to sample.. you can begin your flush, cut a test nug, dry it quickly in a day or three and then smoke it, then decide whether or not you want to take (or make room for) any of her lower branch cuttings, before making the final chop. These are branches you may otherwise trim off early in bloom or late in veg anyhow (of course in a particularly slow growth environment, or by using certain training techniques and minimal space, they may be utilized for primary bud production), if anything removing them, especially if they are shaded, will only help the remaining portion of the plant, so long as you're gentle and make clean cuts.


    I will offer one bit of additional advice if you're going to chop up an 'entire' plant for cuttings, and you still want the original plant to stand a good chance of surviving... start from the top for the best effect, and don't remove more than 3/4 - 4/5 of the green growth. Living, healthy, vegetative foliage and flowers, rely on a healthy root system, but likewise and often forgot, the root system relies on functional foliage.. without it, respiration and all functions must slow down, and when there is too much mass below and too little above, you can risk going stagnant and rotten if anything is out of whack in yoru environment.
    In a healthy environment, or a good spot outside, a cannabis plant will usually survive with the tiniest scrap of green (I've seen a few come back from 100% brown & stems!), but if you are cutting corners ANYWHERE environmentally, it will come back to haunt you when you put a plant through any overly-extreme trimming.



    Photos taken about 14 days apart, with night time temps as low as 40 f, no rooting gel, and no cloning dome... flowering cuttings root that easily! Taken from the 3oz competition thread, where folks can show off how much they can grow in a tiny amount of root space.. I started by rooting multiple plants in only the 3oz of medium. Which reminds me, I really need to update my 3oz girls now that my photos are working here again. :)


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    (You can see the little yellow 'flower' and height of the old growth.. the foliage that existed during bloom generally dies and falls off during the following weeks as the plant reverts back to veg from bloom, similar to a plant snapping back to life in the spring.)
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  8. I am willing to help also check my grow. My first harvest was from a plant under 12/12 that once showed signs of female I took all her tops(16) because she was out growing my space. It was my first time taking clones so ratio of survivors(8) was 50%. They went strait to 12/12 when cut and it took 2wks before I noticed they were rooted and another 2 till I noticed them flowering. At that time I only had 1 box now I have 2, one for my mother plants and clones for rooting and one for flowering now. Also yield per plant for me was avg 6-8 grams dry that was with 12/12 from cut. Now I want more growth that's why I got a 2nd box so they can veg a little longer and get more yield per plant.
    Hope this helps some but u getting a lot info from others too.
     
  9. BadKittySmiles:
    Wow, that's some awsome (and crazy educational) bit of information!
    It is somewhat contradictive of a lot of the reading I've done on here, but this is pretty much exactly as I had envisioned/planned to happen.
    Now I am really motivated to do this ASAP.
    BTW, I am currently in MG soil and CFL.
    Thanks again and much rep tp you
     
  10. SeanPuffy:
    Checkedyour grow, its awsome and I can only hope to see comparable results!
    I am going to go basically the same route once I can ID a female.
    Did you take all 16 tops (as cuttings) from the same already flowering plant? How big (tall/long) were were thes tops when you took them? How did the origional plant do after you took them? And lastly, was there any redeemable use for the cuttings that failed?
    Hate to ask so many ?'S, but thanks for your time
     
  11. How terrifying was it to cut those obviously already budding branches off of the origional? Lol, just preparing myself emotionaly! Thanks much again and stay safe
     
  12. [quote name='"Vertimnus"']
    SeanPuffy:
    Checkedyour grow, its awsome and I can only hope to see comparable results!
    I am going to go basically the same route once I can ID a female.
    Did you take all 16 tops (as cuttings) from the same already flowering plant? How big (tall/long) were were thes tops when you took them? How did the origional plant do after you took them? And lastly, was there any redeemable use for the cuttings that failed?
    Hate to ask so many ?'S, but thanks for your time[/quote]

    Yeah all 16 came from the same plant and she had just started showing pre-flower not flowering.

    Kinda unsure if ur asking how long cutting were after cut or how tall were branches while on plant? But branches around 5-6in, cutting started at 3in.

    Only had one box at that time so she went bye bye.

    At that point it was my 1st time cloning and I should had keep them. The only reason I thought they were died because roots growth was slow on them and major yellowing. If I know then what I know now I would have hit them with a little grow nute to get them green and just wait a little longer for them to fully root.

    Question are welcomed always willing to help.
     
  13. #14 BadKittySmiles, Feb 19, 2012
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    A few shots of 'Red Crown', taken the same time as the above Poggle Gum... Red Crown is a Widow/POG#8 cross, usually my most notoriously difficult to clone, but two out of two cuttings rooted fine under the same 'harsh' conditions, although they took a bit longer to produce their own vegetative growth:

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    (A few new leaves and branches)
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    (And the smaller of the two, arrows indicate new vegetative growth/branches)
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    :)
     
  14. Damn BadKittySmiles - that Red crown is the most singularly awsome (even tho far from harvest complete) bud I've ever seen. The colors are amazing. Would love to see that strain completed.
    thanks much for the input.
     
  15. Bad Kat...incredible bud porn and great instructions! Cloning scares me and I'm still reading up on it, but after reading your posts I feel better about when/how to do it right. Your photos are amazing. Do you have any advice on doing a perpetual hyrdo grow which yields the most harvests? Are monthly harvests possible?
     

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