This shit is for real.

The Real 2012 Delegate Count for the Republican Primaries & Caucuses

I don't know if any of you have been checking this site at all, but they are one of the few honest organizations keeping track of actual delegates. I was a doubter for sure before, thinking Romney was running away with it.

You see on tv Romney having over 800 delegates sometimes, with Ron Paul with barely any. Well, if you've been bummed out about the campaign, this'll boost your spirits.

The site's current numbers
Romney Actual delegates: 295
Paul actual delegates: 108
TBD in Tampa: 750
State hasn't held caucus/primary: 638.

Ron Paul could win. Keep the support, the movement is growing.

a hope a chance

I really doubt Ron Paul is going to get the nomination but ok.

I really doubt Ron Paul is going to get the nomination but ok.

I really doubt we'll change this country with people like you

Lol trolled.

I really doubt Ron Paul is going to get the nomination but ok.

keep telling yourself this lol

I really doubt we'll change this country with people like you

Yea with people like me. Because I'm skeptical Ron Paul will get the nomination.

Look at all these venomous Paul bots jump down my throat just because I expressed the possibility he will not get the nomination.

Honestly I think it would be really interesting if Ron Paul won. I doubt any one President will be the changing factor in this country. There's a lot of deep seated corruption and corporate domination over our political system that needs to be uprooted before any real change becomes a reality.

Of course its not any ONE person. its a group of people. Did we win the revolution because of ONE person? no.

Of course its not any ONE person. its a group of people. Did we win the revolution because of ONE person? no.

Obviously. It's just that people often get into their heads a particular candidate will drastically change everything. They did with Obama and to some extent do with Ron Paul as well.

Obviously. It's just that people often get into their heads a particular candidate will drastically change everything. They did with Obama and to some extent do with Ron Paul as well.

There is one thing that is immediately within the power of the Commander in Chief to change, they control the military directly, so Ron Paul will keep his promise to end the bullshit wars, unlike Obama, who promised to do so, then sent more troops over there right after taking office.

A President that actually keeps their promises is a drastic change.

Ending the wars would help cut the deficit crisis our country faces, which is something we need. Not to mention the humanity factor involved, I'd rather not have a military presence slaughtering innocent civilians on a daily basis, even if it is in a country/ies on the other side of the world. It's this slaughter that leads to people growing to hate us as Americans. Thus, it fosters the terrorism that our "leaders" have committed to fighting...

Edited by Tripace, 15 May 2012 - 11:35 AM.

There is one thing that is immediately within the power of the Commander in Chief to change, they control the military directly, so Ron Paul will keep his promise to end the bullshit wars, unlike Obama, who promised to do so, then sent more troops over there right after taking office.

A President that actually keeps their promises is a drastic change.

Ending the wars would help cut the deficit crisis our country faces, which is something we need. Not to mention the humanity factor involved, I'd rather not have a military presence slaughtering innocent civilians on a daily basis, even if it is in a country/ies on the other side of the world. It's this slaughter that leads to people growing to hate us as Americans. Thus, it fosters the terrorism that our "leaders" have committed to fighting...

I'm Srry but after over 100 years of us history ppl will realize it does not matter who u vote for. We have been arguing over the sameshit for 60yrs and nothings really changed.
Every EVERY president/politician lies even ron Paul.

The problem with ron Paul's stance is if u are not allready employed and make decent money you will have less chance (for some no chance)with absolutely no government aid.
And with no taxes at all where will we pay off our SS debt?
The richest man in America wants to pay his fair share that's the man who should be Pres.

we need to get rid of this putrid delegate system and let the people vote on their own nominee. its a fucking stupid, medieval form of democracy which won the election for Bush both years running and it seems to be winning the primaries for Romney.

To get back to the OP...

Although those numbers look good they are meaningless. Romney has the nomination as confirmed by Paul stopping campaigning. This is the way the system works. Paul never really had a chance. Even he knows that the reason he was in the race was to exert influence.

Yea with people like me. Because I'm skeptical Ron Paul will get the nomination.

Look at all these venomous Paul bots jump down my throat just because I expressed the possibility he will not get the nomination.

Honestly I think it would be really interesting if Ron Paul won. I doubt any one President will be the changing factor in this country. There's a lot of deep seated corruption and corporate domination over our political system that needs to be uprooted before any real change becomes a reality.

Look at all the venomous Paul bots? Lol what. Exadurating to create effect. Why did it even need to be said even though you knew damn well someone would respond to it? Attention?


This is a revolution that will continue on with or without Ron Paul. Stop being a bitch and smoke more indica.

Look at all the venomous Paul bots? Lol what. Exadurating to create effect. Why did it even need to be said even though you knew damn well someone would respond to it? Attention?


This is a revolution that will continue on with or without Ron Paul. Stop being a bitch and smoke more indica.

Ok I was exaggerating, fair enough. But to say it's because of people like me that this country will never change is insulting simply because I expressed doubt that Ron Paul will get the nomination.

Also I see it as very uncalled for to tell me to "stop being a bitch". I have been civil and I expect you to do the same.

I'd love to see some effort to change campaign financing and the electorate and delegate system. I just don't agree that Ron Paul is the answer to this countries needs, although I could see him doing some positive things.

Ok I was exaggerating, fair enough. But to say it's because of people like me that this country will never change is insulting simply because I expressed doubt that Ron Paul will get the nomination.

Also I see it as very uncalled for to tell me to "stop being a bitch". I have been civil and I expect you to do the same.

I'd love to see some effort to change campaign financing and the electorate and delegate system. I just don't agree that Ron Paul is the answer to this countries needs, although I could see him doing some positive things.

I don't get that at all.
The past thirty years we've had Bush 1, then Clinton, then Bush 2, and now Obama, all have been pretty much the same old shit, no actual major policy differences. Now we might have Romney, let's see, more of the same? Yup.

But Ron Paul, actual MAJOR policy changes, "isn't the answer this country needs"? What the fuck are you hoping for then? Maybe, Larry Flynt for President? He can give us a hustler in every mailbox!

I mean, Ron Paul actually wants to end the stupidity of the failed drug wars, he wants to legalize at the federal level, and give states the power to decide whether it should be legal or not, he wants to cut HUGE chunks of wasteful government spending, things like our military occupation of other countries, and bring the troops home, where they belong. How the hell is he not EXACTLY what our country needs??? He's certainly not more of the same, and that's a HUGE first step in the right direction.

I'm Srry but after over 100 years of us history ppl will realize it does not matter who u vote for. We have been arguing over the sameshit for 60yrs and nothings really changed.
Every EVERY president/politician lies even ron Paul.

The problem with ron Paul's stance is if u are not allready employed and make decent money you will have less chance (for some no chance)with absolutely no government aid.
And with no taxes at all where will we pay off our SS debt?
The richest man in America wants to pay his fair share that's the man who should be Pres.

People have been stupid and only voting within the "two party system" for 100 years. And no, Ron Paul does not lie, he has over 30 years in Congress proving that he has ALWAYS voted according to the Constitution. Over 30 years of telling the lobbyists that they can donate their money to him all they want, he won't change his votes for them.
You should research a little more about a subject next time you want to discuss it, it helps to actually know what you're saying when you say it.

And, when I was growing up, we learned that, in order to make a living, you work to earn money, not expect the government to give you a handout. It's called responsibility. As for social security, they'll still pay it for those already collecting it, and those who have paid into it already. It will simply be an option for younger people to decide of they actually want to keep the money they've earned, or if they want to let the government hold onto their retirement funds for them or not.

Edited by Tripace, 15 May 2012 - 11:24 PM.

People have been stupid and only voting within the "two party system" for 100 years. And no, Ron Paul does not lie, he has over 30 years in Congress proving that he has ALWAYS voted according to the Constitution. Over 30 years of telling the lobbyists that they can donate their money to him all they want, he won't change his votes for them.
You should research a little more about a subject next time you want to discuss it, it helps to actually know what you're saying when you say it.

And, when I was growing up, we learned that, in order to make a living, you work to earn money, not expect the government to give you a handout. It's called responsibility. As for social security, they'll still pay it for those already collecting it, and those who have paid into it already. It will simply be an option for younger people to decide of they actually want to keep the money they've earned, or if they want to let the government hold onto their retirement funds for them or not.

I agree but when our govt exports jobs I expect them to make up for it.

But u said it itself we have been voting the same for 100 years but we have had more push for change in the last 15 with gay rights and medical marijuana and that's been slow. So we can't expect a durastic change even in our life time. In 40 years when our kids grow up then it will change but not much. Our govt system is far more liberal then it ever was 50 yrs ago. I mean liberal as In human rights (just don't need this subject to get confused with financial liberalism)

I don't get that at all.
The past thirty years we've had Bush 1, then Clinton, then Bush 2, and now Obama, all have been pretty much the same old shit, no actual major policy differences. Now we might have Romney, let's see, more of the same? Yup.

But Ron Paul, actual MAJOR policy changes, "isn't the answer this country needs"? What the fuck are you hoping for then? Maybe, Larry Flynt for President? He can give us a hustler in every mailbox!

I mean, Ron Paul actually wants to end the stupidity of the failed drug wars, he wants to legalize at the federal level, and give states the power to decide whether it should be legal or not, he wants to cut HUGE chunks of wasteful government spending, things like our military occupation of other countries, and bring the troops home, where they belong. How the hell is he not EXACTLY what our country needs??? He's certainly not more of the same, and that's a HUGE first step in the right direction.

Well if he can truly achieve those things then that's great. But don't think that just because he becomes President, all of that automatically becomes a reality. I think it require great effort by the people. After all, we still do have a mostly corrupt senate and congress(all time low approval rating) to deal with.

I like all of those things you've stated, but I also want to see some real change at the core of our political system which is watered down with money and corporate ties.

I heard a report on NPR the other day on how the Ron Paul folks are actually trying to change the Republican Party from within. This is why they are going for delegates. They have no chance to win the nomination but they can wield a lot of power.

After listening to this report I have an even greater respect for Paul now.

Honestly, and flame me if you want, but most of the post and opinions on here are SO uniformed. I understand the anger and frustration people have with the government right now, I feel it too!

I would suggest that folks turn that angst to good use and learn about how our system works and what needs to be done to change it - for we either change it or we overthrow it. History shows us we are not at the point of revolution at this time, so my hope is for change.