Who Is Joe the Plumber? Sounds Like a Plant!

[Medicine Al]

Originally Posted by aaronman

If he didn't make Obama look bad then why do liberals hate him and want to destroy his name?

I believe the blame for dragging the man out into the spotlight would be McCain's, not Obama's.

Who's trying to destroy him? I'd just like to point out to Joe, and all the Richard Scarry characters the the neocons are using to try and rally the faithful, that it's always best to keep your eye on the ball, and not to take empty swings at bad pitches.

Let's see, what does Joe ACTUALLY make?http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos211.htm

Earnings [About this section]
Pipelayers, plumbers, pipefitters, and steamfitters are among the highest paid construction occupations. Median hourly earnings of wage and salary plumbers, pipefitters, and steamfitters were $20.56. The middle 50 percent earned between $15.62 and $27.54. The lowest 10 percent earned less than $12.30, and the highest 10 percent earned more than $34.79. Median hourly earnings in the industries employing the largest numbers of plumbers, pipefitters, and steamfitters were:

Natural gas distribution $24.91 Nonresidential building construction 21.30 Plumbing, heating, and air-conditioning contractors 20.44 Utility system construction 19.18 Local government 17.86

In May 2006, median hourly earnings of wage and salary pipelayers were $14.58. The middle 50 percent earned between $11.75 and $19.76. The lowest 10 percent earned less than $9.73, and the highest 10 percent earned more than $25.73.
Apprentices usually begin at about 50 percent of the wage rate paid to experienced workers. Wages increase periodically as skills improve. After an initial waiting period, apprentices receive the same benefits as experienced pipelayers, plumbers, pipefitters, and steamfitters.
About 30 percent of pipelayers, plumbers, pipefitters, and steamfitters belonged to a union. Many of these workers are members of the United Association of Journeymen and Apprentices of the Plumbing and Pipefitting Industry of the United States and Canada.


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Oh and who do you think that Union endorsed as their candidate?
http://www.ua.org/ua_endorses.asp
Dear Brothers and Sisters: On January 9, 2008, the United Association became the first International Union to endorse Senator Barack Obama as its candidate for the Democratic nomination for President of the United States. This endorsement was discussed with the General Executive Board and they concurred.
Barack Obama is the choice of the UA because he has always fought for working people throughout his career and will do the best job of bringing badly-needed change to Washington. Obama will help us keep existing jobs and work to develop new, higher paying jobs here in America, reform our health care system, fix our ailing schools and make sure that the pensions of our retirees are safe.
I have had a long-standing, working relationship with Barack. The UA was one of the first unions in Illinois to endorse him as a candidate for the U.S. Senate. Barack Obama has personally reached out to the UA to request our support for his presidential candidacy, and he has solicited our views on the issues that are important to our union and its members. No other candidate, of either party, has requested our support or solicited our views!
One of the keys to our endorsement was that Senator Obama backs a strong energy and industrial construction policy, which is very important to the future of our union. He is in favor of nuclear power, the construction of new refineries, fossil fuel power plants and chemical plants. He has also endorsed innovative energy initiatives, including ethanol plants, coal gasification and biodiesel production. He also clearly recognizes the need to upgrade all of our current industrial plants to comply with clean air and water standards. Barack realizes we have to become less reliant on foreign oil and gas and develop an energy program that we self-sustain here in the United States.
To meet the challenges of clean water, he recognizes the need to replace and/or upgrade our water treatment and wastewater systems. His support of our position on all of these issues more than justifies our endorsement. We need to support Barack Obama because he provides more than lip service to our concerns.
We remain a bi-partisan organization. However, our best hope for clear direction and responsible change in our national government calls for our support of Barack Obama. The economic indicators show a weakening national economy and we need someone to both invigorate our economy and provide hope for our country.
Fraternally yours,
William P. Hite
General President








So the best question might be, why does Joe the Plumber take an anti-union stance?




Oh, that's right, he's NOT QUALIFIED FOR UNION MEMBERSHIP!


Wow, another unqualified republican...go figure!

[maxrule]

Originally Posted by Medicine Al

I believe the blame for dragging the man out into the spotlight would be McCain's, not Obama's....

So the best question might be, why does Joe the Plumber take an anti-union stance?




Oh, that's right, he's NOT QUALIFIED FOR UNION MEMBERSHIP!


Wow, another unqualified republican...go figure!

Maybe Joe doesn't want the "socialist workers party" collective union taking his hard earned money like Obama plans to.

The unions always support the liberal democrats, because they're all a bunch of communists who want to control your ability to earn money.

Senator Government V. Joe the Plumber
http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2008...t_v_joe_the_p/

Why did so many investigate 'Joe the Plumber'?
http://blog.cleveland.com/openers/20..._joe_wurz.html

http://www.workers.org/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sociali...(United_States)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Workers_World_Party






http://www.dontvoteobama.net/

[aaronman]

Originally Posted by Penelope420

The liberals are just helping them along.

From my perspective you're the only ones foaming at the mouth over it.

It doesn't matter that he isn't a licensed plumber, or that he doesn't pay taxes, or that he isn't a member of a union, what matters is that he did raise a relevant issue to a candidate... which is more than any media talking head can claim.

To go into his background and slander him is unjust retaliation, he is not running for office. You can attack McCain for exploiting the guy, but to go after some trickster like he didn't ask a valid question shows you are threatened.

[Penelope420]

Originally Posted by aaronman

From my perspective you're the only ones foaming at the mouth over it.

It doesn't matter that he isn't a licensed plumber, or that he doesn't pay taxes, or that he isn't a member of a union, what matters is that he did raise a relevant issue to a candidate... which is more than any media talking head can claim.

To go into his background and slander him is unjust retaliation, he is not running for office. You can attack McCain for exploiting the guy, but to go after some trickster like he didn't ask a valid question shows you are threatened

Jesus wept.

He lied and McCain exploited him. Now he has an agent, people started a collection for him and raised enough money for him to get his plumbing license, he's looking for a country music contract, and he's out making speeches endorsing John McCain. I mean, seriously... you act like poor "Joe's" life has been ruined at the hands of the mean liberal media.

[aaronman]

I'm not even talking about the media specifically, but all the liberals of GC that are obviously trying to avenge their savior by bashing 'Joe'. His 15 minutes will be up before you know it, don't hate.

[Penelope420]

Originally Posted by aaronman

I'm not even talking about the media specifically, but all the liberals of GC that are obviously trying to avenge their savior by bashing 'Joe'. His 15 minutes will be up before you know it, don't hate.

It's just a distraction, really. We're all victims of the media to some extent.

The only relevance it really has to me is that John McCain didn't take the time to actually check this guy out before using him to make a point during a national, presidential debate. I think what liberals might be trying to say is... look, this guy (McCain) is just throwing average americans into the debate, without doing any research or giving any forethought to the media shit storm that a 9 year old could have predicted. Is that really the kind of strategy that we want to see running this country??

I agree that the left has taken it and ran with it, but come on... the right is practically calling Obama a socialist terrorist. And liberals are the bad guys because they are calling this guy out on what he really is?

[aaronman]

Originally Posted by Penelope420

And liberals are the bad guys because they are calling this guy out on what he really is?

Libs and neocons are both perpetrators of ridiculous hate campaigning, it's the only way they can create the sense of dichotomy.

[Penelope420]

Originally Posted by aaronman

Libs and neocons are both perpetrators of ridiculous hate campaigning, it's the only way they can create the sense of dichotomy.

I totally agree. 100%

But thinking about it rationally... don't you think the rights' continuous insinuations that Obama is a terrorist is taking it too far?

[TheDudeAbides]

Hey maxrule, if you actualy KNEW anything about....anything maybe you wouldnt need so many pics. Here's a quote, you tell me where it's from:
"The subjects of every state ought to contribute towards the support of the government, as nearly as possible, in proportion to their respective abilities."

[aaronman]

Originally Posted by Penelope420

But thinking about it rationally... don't you think the rights' continuous insinuations that Obama is a terrorist is taking it too far?

Yes of course, it is absurd. The Republican hate is far greater than Democrats. It is no wonder the Democrats are oft considered the lesser of two evils.

However, when the right calls Obama socialist they are justified but hypocritical. They are both equally socialistic. Not Socialist, but socialistic. And thats not necessarily a bad thing to some.

[Medicine Al]

Originally Posted by aaronman

Yes of course, it is absurd. The Republican hate is far greater than Democrats. It is no wonder the Democrats are oft considered the lesser of two evils.

However, when the right calls Obama socialist they are justified but hypocritical. They are both equally socialistic. Not Socialist, but socialistic. And thats not necessarily a bad thing to some.

Hi!

I'm Medicine Al, the Grower!

I support Obama, because he has said he favors and end to federal intervention (Raids) in the State of California, by the federal government (DEA) against the State sanctioned Medical Cannabis Dispensary Caregivers.

That's my pet issue, dude, and old "Joe de Ploombah" has never had anything to do with that.

I support Obama, because he inhaled, and got the damn point.

I'll be burning some fine med grade tomorrow, while I'm watching and I'm waiting and I'm hoping for the best.

I really hope that someday Joe is rich enough to get his problems swept under the rug. (Like a proper Republican does it!)

[aaronman]

^^^ Good for you man, I respect your decision and appreciate your cultivation of the ganj.

[Dante Blaze]

Originally Posted by aaronman

Why is he a tool? Because he made Obomba look bad?

If you have evidence he is a McCain employee let me know.

Right after the third debate, John McCain even said he hired Joe the Plumber. This was broadcasted on cable television, we ALL should have paid better attention.

[stoned budda]

Originally Posted by Dante Blaze

Right after the third debate, John McCain even said he hired Joe the Plumber. This was broadcasted on cable television, we ALL should have paid better attention.

You got A youtube video or a news story to back that up. Any source?

[Dante Blaze]

Originally Posted by stoned budda

You got A youtube video or a news story to back that up. Any source?

http://video.aol.com/video-detail/mc...id=VIDURVNWS06

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&r...er&btnG=Search