Palin Says Abortion Clinic Bombers " Not Terrorists"

[olives]

Originally Posted by IGOTJOINTS4YA

if you think some ending of human life ok but others are not you are the hypocrite. I call the left hypocrites because in the same breath of being anti-war they talk about the prochoice ideas.

The left isn't anti-war, it's merely against stupid ones. Some wars are (unfortunately) necessary for the protection of your country and I'd imagine that most could understand under dire circumstances.

[Penelope420]

Originally Posted by IGOTJOINTS4YA

You have to ask yourself, "is ending a human beings life OK?"

No, first you have to ask yourself if an 8 week old bunch cells is a human being.

Considering that I've actually given birth to another human being, I feel pretty confident when I state that no... an 8 week old fetus is not a fully developed human.

How many babies have you given birth to?

if you think some ending of human life ok but others are not you are the hypocrite. I call the left hypocrites because in the same breath of being anti-war they talk about the prochoice ideas.

If this is what you think, then it just proves how absolutely clueless you are about the pro-choice movement. To compare abortion (a legal medical procedure) and a war that was started on greed and lies, is ridiculous, to put it nicely.

No one is rooting for abortions. No one is cheering to "support the abortions". Abortion is a PRIVATE issue, which means that it doesn't matter what I, or you, or anyone else thinks about it. It's a choice between a woman and her doctor, it is not a government issue. PERIOD.

What's hypocritical is the right's assertion that abortion is WRONG! It's MURDER! WHAT ABOUT THE BABIES?! But then, as soon as that baby is born they oppose anything and everything that would give that child a better chance in this world. Welfare for single moms? Access to health care? Education? Nope... you're on your own kid. We don't believe in SOCIALISM!

[Perpetual Burn]

After you found out you were pregnant, how long did it take before you started to love your child? Did you not have any feelings for this child until the moment it was born?

[Penelope420]

Originally Posted by Perpetual Burn

After you found out you were pregnant, how long did it take before you started to love your child? Did you not have any feelings for this child until the moment it was born?

That's a good question, and hard to answer. Before he was born, I had feelings of protectiveness, nervousness, happiness, etc, but the actual love for the human that is my child didn't come until I met him, on the day he was born.

That doesn't really matter though, because I didn't choose to have an abortion. It's not something I personally could do. Some women will feel an immediate love and attachment from day one, and others will never love their babies.

I just hope, for those of you who think it is so awful and wrong, that none of the women in your life have to make that choice.

[RobertHope]

Originally Posted by Penelope420

You wouldn't LET her?

WTF? That it is not your choice to make. What on earth makes you think you can dictate what someone else can or can't do with their body? How could you possibly know what is better for a mother and fetus then the actual mother and her doctor?

if whe whould want one

[RobertHope]

Originally Posted by Penelope420

You wouldn't LET her?

WTF? That it is not your choice to make. What on earth makes you think you can dictate what someone else can or can't do with their body? How could you possibly know what is better for a mother and fetus then the actual mother and her doctor?

i know the best thing for the fetus IS NOT DIEING! fuk the mom. every life deserves a chance to live is that wrong? abortions should be done under extreme circumstances only. a fetus is a life just like u or me.

[Penelope420]

Originally Posted by RobertHope

i know the best thing for the fetus IS NOT DIEING! fuk the mom. every life deserves a chance to live is that wrong? abortions should be done under extreme circumstances only. a fetus is a life just like u or me.

Don't you get it Robert? IT DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER WHAT YOUR OPINION IS. You are not the one getting pregnant, you are not the one who has to give birth. It's not your choice to make for anyone- not your wife, not your girlfriend, and especially not random females you don't know.

What are YOU doing for all of the unwanted children out there? Not the fetuses, but the babies that are here, and alive, and don't have anyone to love them or take care of them. How are you helping to take care of those children?

[IGOTJOINTS4YA]

Originally Posted by olives

The left isn't anti-war, it's merely against stupid ones. Some wars are (unfortunately) necessary for the protection of your country and I'd imagine that most could understand under dire circumstances.

Tell that to the mindless Obama supporters that acutually believe he is agianst war.

Originally Posted by Penelope420

No, first you have to ask yourself if an 8 week old bunch cells is a human being.

Well technically you are still ending that human beings life, it is a the building blocks of a human being. I am pro choice but understand the anti-abortion arguement.

Considering that I've actually given birth to another human being, I feel pretty confident when I state that no... an 8 week old fetus is not a fully developed human.

Well I am glad that you are so well versed on the subject.

How many babies have you given birth to?

I hope all people that perform abortions have to go through child birth process because only then they will know the pain of it, give me a fucking break.

If this is what you think, then it just proves how absolutely clueless you are about the pro-choice movement. To compare abortion (a legal medical procedure) and a war that was started on greed and lies, is ridiculous, to put it nicely.

So all wars are started over greed and lies, maby all abortions are caused by sluts and whores, but you never see me making that arguement. That is where you are taking this, look I don't understand how you feel it is your medical right to kill a person in your womb but then Americans do not have the right to kill a convicted felon or go to war. Stop trying to turn my arguement agianst me you are failing at it, because you are so prescribed at thinking one way on this issue, "the idea that it is my body I am allowed to do what I want to it" that you stop to realise yes aborting a fetus is aborting a human life. Killing is by definition taking life, an abortion takes the chance of life away, yes they are not the same thing but they serve the same purpose so you might as well call it killing.

No one is rooting for abortions. No one is cheering to "support the abortions". Abortion is a PRIVATE issue, which means that it doesn't matter what I, or you, or anyone else thinks about it. It's a choice between a woman and her doctor, it is not a government issue. PERIOD.

Murder is a PRIVATE issue, but you see the state intervening in that PRIVATE issue all the time. The government translates to the governing of people, if the government is not allowed to govern on the issue of aborting a human life than what rights do they have at all on any issues.

What's hypocritical is the right's assertion that abortion is WRONG! It's MURDER! WHAT ABOUT THE BABIES?! But then, as soon as that baby is born they oppose anything and everything that would give that child a better chance in this world. Welfare for single moms? Access to health care? Education? Nope... you're on your own kid. We don't believe in SOCIALISM!

That is a the stupidest statement by you to date, Republicans have passed and furthered just as many socialist programs as the damn democrats. You claim to be non-partisan but that is the most partisan thing by someone I used to think was an unbiased poster I have eve seen.

you mam are a hypocrite.

[vapeking]

Originally Posted by olives

The left isn't anti-war, it's merely against stupid ones. Some wars are (unfortunately) necessary for the protection of your country and I'd imagine that most could understand under dire circumstances.

The left sure did a good job of voting to go to war in Afghanistan and Iraq. And sending troops to Bosnia.

The Project for the New American Century was publicly available then so they have no excuses.

BTW the Taliban did offer to give up Osama to an international court like the Hague but we invaded anyways.

[vapeking]

Originally Posted by Penelope420

No, first you have to ask yourself if an 8 week old bunch cells is a human being.

Why isn't it?

[vapeking]

Originally Posted by Penelope420

Don't you get it Robert? IT DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER WHAT YOUR OPINION IS. You are not the one getting pregnant, you are not the one who has to give birth.

And the mother isn't the one that has to die.

It's not your choice to make for anyone- not your wife, not your girlfriend, and especially not random females you don't know.

Just as it shouldn't be our choice what to do with your uterus, it shouldn't be your choice to end someone else's life just because they're going to be in your uterus for a few months.

[Penelope420]

Originally Posted by Penelope420 View Post
No, first you have to ask yourself if an 8 week old bunch cells is a human being.

Well technically you are still ending that human beings life, it is a the building blocks of a human being. I am pro choice but understand the anti-abortion arguement.

No, not "technically". It's either alive or it isn't. Building blocks of life doesn't equal life anymore then a drawer full of legos equals a castle with movable drawbridge. A group of cells that can not breath, think, or do anything on it's own is not life. Just because YOU think it's life (and you have the right to believe that), it just doesn't make it so. The medical community doesn't even agree on this.

Considering that I've actually given birth to another human being, I feel pretty confident when I state that no... an 8 week old fetus is not a fully developed human.

Well I am glad that you are so well versed on the subject.

How many babies have you given birth to?

I hope all people that perform abortions have to go through child birth process because only then they will know the pain of it, give me a fucking break.

No, seriously. How many babies have you given birth to?

If this is what you think, then it just proves how absolutely clueless you are about the pro-choice movement. To compare abortion (a legal medical procedure) and a war that was started on greed and lies, is ridiculous, to put it nicely.

So all wars are started over greed and lies, maby all abortions are caused by sluts and whores, but you never see me making that arguement. That is where you are taking this, look I don't understand how you feel it is your medical right to kill a person in your womb but then Americans do not have the right to kill a convicted fellon or go to war. Stop trying to turn my arguement agianst me you are failing at it, because you are so prescribed at thinking one way on this issue the idea that it is my body I am allowed to do what I want that you stop to realise yes aborting a fetus is aborting a human life. Killing is by definition taking life, an abortion takes the chance of life away, yes they are not the same thing but they serve the same purpose so you might as well call it killing.

Because I do not believe that a fetus under 12 weeks is "human life", and can not be compared to a full grown adult or a living, breathing child. I don't want to be flippant, but I don't care if you think it's murder or not, you do not have the right to dictate YOUR beliefs onto my body.

90% of abortions are performed before 12 weeks, not the full born babies that were posted in pictures earlier. The ones that take place after 12 weeks are almost always because the woman or the fetus is in danger. IT'S A MEDICAL PROCEDURE. One that right-to-lifers want to take away, even at the risk of the mother. Even when the mother is raped. Even when the mother is molested.


No one is rooting for abortions. No one is cheering to "support the abortions". Abortion is a PRIVATE issue, which means that it doesn't matter what I, or you, or anyone else thinks about it. It's a choice between a woman and her doctor, it is not a government issue. PERIOD.

Murder is a PRIVATE issue, but you see the state intervening in that PRIVATE issue all the time. The government translates the governing of people, if the government is not allowed to govern on the issue of aborting a human life than what rights do they have at all on any issues.

No, murder is not a private issue. This argument is laughable.

It's a human FETUS, not a life. FETUS.

What's hypocritical is the right's assertion that abortion is WRONG! It's MURDER! WHAT ABOUT THE BABIES?! But then, as soon as that baby is born they oppose anything and everything that would give that child a better chance in this world. Welfare for single moms? Access to health care? Education? Nope... you're on your own kid. We don't believe in SOCIALISM!

That is a the stupidest statement by you to date, Republicans have passed and furthered just as many socialist programns as the damn democrats. You claim to be non-partisan but that is the most partisan thing by someone I used to think was an unbiased poster I have eve seen.


I'm not talking about republican politicians. Republican politicians don't give a shit about abortion anymore then democratic politicians. They just use it as a way to get votes.

I'm talking about the religious, bible-belt Sarah Palin supporters who are out there at her rallies screaming about Obama being a socialist, and blasting his pinko commie health care plans, and how we're all just a bunch of lib'rul, pro-babykillin' elitists.

Do you REALLY think those people give a shit about what would happen to those unwanted babies after it's born?

[Penelope420]

Originally Posted by vapeking

Just as it shouldn't be our choice what to do with your uterus, it shouldn't be your choice to end someone else's life just because they're going to be in your uterus for a few months.

Well, it is my choice. In every state in the nation.

Deal with it.

[Penelope420]

You know, maybe THIS is why people have abortions. Cause you end up doing this on Saturday nights.

[IGOTJOINTS4YA]

No, not "technically". It's either alive or it isn't. Building blocks of life doesn't equal life anymore then a drawer full of legos equals a castle with movable drawbridge. A group of cells that can not breath, think, or do anything on it's own is not life. Just because YOU think it's life (and you have the right to believe that), it just doesn't make it so. The medical community doesn't even agree on this.

The medical community agrees with my further point that it is not considered killing it is "aborting human life". Take it or leave it is fancy for way to say not allowing human life to percipitate.

No, seriously. How many babies have you given birth to?

How many babies has Barack Obama given birth to? Yet because he agrees to you his ideas are ok, I tell you Sarah Palin has given birth to numerous babies and she is agianst it so get a real arguement.

I'm not talking about republican politicians. Republican politicians don't give a shit about abortion anymore then democratic politicians. They just use it as a way to get votes.

I'm talking about the religious, bible-belt Sarah Palin supporters who are out there at her rallies screaming about Obama being a socialist, and blasting his pinko commie health care plans, and how we're all just a bunch of lib'rul, pro-babykillin' elitists.

I do not disagree with all socialism, I disagree with socialism through forcing people to follow a set peramider of guidelines to benifit a select few even if they are poor or middle class. Equality through liberty and not restriction is always the way to go, allowing abortion is restricting human life to come into this world. I am pro choice but I totally disagree with your idea of "it is my body I can do what I want with it arguement."

Do you REALLY think those people give a shit about what would happen to those unwanted babies after it's born?

Do you know why Ron Paul is agianst abortions? He was a doctor that seen the early days of abortions and saw things like this. Now your idea the "the medical community agrees that after 8 weeks it is still not a human being". Well most abortions are done 12 to 14 weeks after conception so by your own logic you are trying to constrew most abortions are done after the fetus can be considered "human". I agree with the pro choice arguement but you are going about it all wrong.


No, murder is not a private issue. This argument is laughable.

It's a human FETUS, not a life. FETUS.

Murder is one human being killing another unlawfully, and more often than not done through private means. We cannot agree on shit, you are fundamentally agreeing with me totally different on an issue. Abortion is taking of human life and if you cannot agree with that I am tired of making this arguement to you.