Palin's Abortion Stance

[Arnack]

Sarah Palin opposes abortion in essentially all circumstances. However, she is also an avid hunter. There is a logical inconsistency in this pair of positions. How is it that Palin opposes killing fetuses but supports killing nonhuman animals who have a greater level of self-awareness, rationality, and a greater capacity to feel pain than a fetus does?

Not a quote from myself, but what do you think?

[the roach]

human's don't have to act rationally.
besides, most humans don't consider themselves animals or anywhere near the same level as an animal. she's just 1 out of billions.

[Tray Dub]

Well if you are of the belief that live animals are more important than fetuses, great. I disagree though.

[Arnack]

Originally Posted by Tray Dub

Well if you are of the belief that live animals are more important than fetuses, great. I disagree though.

You may say it's a belief, yet let me ask again:
How is it that Palin opposes killing fetuses but supports killing nonhuman animals who have a greater level of self-awareness, rationality, and a greater capacity to feel pain than a fetus does?

[Tray Dub]

Originally Posted by Arnack

You may say it's a belief, yet let me ask again:
How is it that Palin opposes killing fetuses but supports killing nonhuman animals who have a greater level of self-awareness, rationality, and a greater capacity to feel pain than a fetus does?

Because cognitive awareness and mental capacity are not what determine life value to her and to most people. Are retards less valuable because they have less self-awareness and and rational ability, etc. than normal people? How bout a really smart dolphin? Is a dolphin more important than a severely retarded boy?

You're trying to define what makes life valuable, and it doesn't work. One need simply say "human life is sacred, in whatever form, animal life is not." and how can you prove them wrong? Pain tolerance is no better a measurement than artistic ability or height in determining how important life is. Human life, even the fetus' life (if you say it's living, which is debatable), is said to be more important than animal life, and you can't prove they're wrong with arbitrary measurements.

[purplemeadow]

Originally Posted by Arnack

Not a quote from myself, but what do you think?

I think she is a hypocritical pawn of the Republican Party. Sounds like someone in DC...

[Arnack]

Originally Posted by Tray Dub

Because cognitive awareness and mental capacity are not what determine life value to her and to most people. Are retards less valuable because they have less self-awareness and and rational ability, etc. than normal people? How bout a really smart dolphin? Is a dolphin more important than a severely retarded boy?

You're trying to define what makes life valuable, and it doesn't work. One need simply say "human life is sacred, in whatever form, animal life is not." and how can you prove them wrong? Pain tolerance is no better a measurement than artistic ability or height in determining how important life is. Human life, even the fetus' life (if you say it's living, which is debatable), is said to be more important than animal life, and you can't prove they're wrong with arbitrary measurements.

It doesn't make sense to me.
She kills animals, but killing human cells is a no no?

[Tray Dub]

Originally Posted by Arnack

It doesn't make sense to me.
She kills animals, but killing human cells is a no no?

Yep. Well, not the cells individually, but what the cells make together, a fetus. You may disagree, I do too, but trying to prove that in the way you did proved to be irrational.

[Arnack]

Originally Posted by Tray Dub

Yep. Well, not the cells individually, but what the cells make together, a fetus. You may disagree, I do too, but trying to prove that in the way you did proved to be irrational.

Your not proving your point, and when you tried to, you didn't give me a straight forward answer.
It all depends on what you view life is. To me, life is all equal, but as you said before, a debate can easily be sparked if the question "is a fetus alive?" comes up.
Honestly I don't think so, therefore, Palin = fail.

[CaliCoast]

I can see what the quote is trying to say but I think Palin's stance on abortions is ridiculous because it just simply defies logic. Good old common sense seems to have left the building.

[Tray Dub]

Originally Posted by Arnack

Your not proving your point, and when you tried to, you didn't give me a straight forward answer.
It all depends on what you view life is. To me, life is all equal, but as you said before, a debate can easily be sparked if the question "is a fetus alive?" comes up.
Honestly I don't think so, therefore, Palin = fail.

Well your point is that logically, Palin is wrong. But that of course is bullshit, because as you just said, "It all depends on what on what you view life (as)". Your opinion is different from hers, and that's great. In fact, I agree with you. But to say there's a logical inconsistency is wrong.

[aaronman]

From a religious perspective, game hunting is pretty different from killing a defenseless human "soul".

She is allowed to have that belief so long as she doesn't try to create a federal law banning abortions (which she doesn't want).

[Buzzard]

Human life = more important than animal life. End of story.


Would I excecute a Polar Bear so that a baby could live? In a heartbeat.

[stoned budda]

Humans are superior.
Animals are inferior.
Animals serve no other purpose than to serve man.
Animals lives are meaningless in the grand scheme of things, unless its death would negatively effects humans.

[maxrule]

Palin has never tried to push her personal views and choices on anyone.

It's called CONSERVATION for a reason.

Many consider hunting to be a vital part of animal conservation and more humane than starvation or disease which invariably results from animal overpopulation.