Barrack Obama ?? Is Full Of Shit<<<

[chronictoker]

So...I've been lurking a little bit and I just have to make a statement lol. I honestly can't believe the way this and AK's thread have been handled by gc blades. It's really depressing. Can't you all be civil? Just because you don't respect liberals or conservatives doesn't mean you have to resort to making shit up about the other side. We are all losers here, don't you see? As long as we have two sides playing against each other like this our country will go to shit. I urge you all to respect "the enemy". All hate is good for is breeding more hate. So...I guess what I'm saying is that I agree with Barack Obama in a way. We desperately need a change in our politics, in our principles, and our very way of life imho. Because our system isn't working anymore. It's flawed. Can we all agree on that? If you agree that change is needed, then I think you'll agree that we need to set aside some of our differences and work together to achieve it. Think about people other than yourselves. Think about those you hate the most and learn to at least respect them as human beings. most importantly IF YOU SEE A NEED FOR CHANGE, TAKE ACTION. Think about what YOU can do instead of what some politician says they are going to do for our country. Cuz all I hear are empty promises.So, don't just go to the polls, and then go back to your daily lives. If you see a need, then you have a duty to yourself and to everyone to do something about it. Because otherwise what we have is essentially an oligarchy. We have a few people speaking for over 300 million. If we do nothing, then we are taking part in our own destruction. /end rant Hey, that sounded pretty good, I think I have a future in politics, lol. I'd also like to comment on some of the misconceptions of "socialism". I think in America we have some really silly ideas about social programs. There's a knee jerk reaction by a lot of people and they don't even know why. Some of the reasons are valid and others are just rediculous. Social Programs are what made America what it is today. If it weren't for the GI Bill after WWII most of us would still be struggling to get out of poverty. And if it weren't for government subsidies for housing, then a lot more of us would be homeless. Social programs are always needed, even in our "capitalist" economy. Also socialism is not a form of govt. and neither is capitalism. What we have is democracy. Democracy means a govt. run by the people for the people. It's right in our constitution!! Our economy shoudn't have power over our lives, we should. What you see as freedom, others see as oppression.

[AK Infinity]

Originally Posted by chronictoker

So...I've been lurking a little bit and I just have to make a statement lol. I honestly can't believe the way this and AK's thread have been handled by gc blades. It's really depressing. Can't you all be civil? Just because you don't respect liberals or conservatives doesn't mean you have to resort to making shit up about the other side. We are all losers here, don't you see? As long as we have two sides playing against each other like this our country will go to shit. I urge you all to respect "the enemy". All hate is good for is breeding more hate. So...I guess what I'm saying is that I agree with Barack Obama in a way. We desperately need a change in our politics, in our principles, and our very way of life imho. Because our system isn't working anymore. It's flawed. Can we all agree on that? If you agree that change is needed, then I think you'll agree that we need to set aside some of our differences and work together to achieve it. Think about people other than yourselves. Think about those you hate the most and learn to at least respect them as human beings. most importantly IF YOU SEE A NEED FOR CHANGE, TAKE ACTION. Think about what YOU can do instead of what some politician says they are going to do for our country. Cuz all I hear are empty promises.So, don't just go to the polls, and then go back to your daily lives. If you see a need, then you have a duty to yourself and to everyone to do something about it. Because otherwise what we have is essentially an oligarchy. We have a few people speaking for over 300 million. If we do nothing, then we are taking part in our own destruction. /end rant Hey, that sounded pretty good, I think I have a future in politics, lol. I'd also like to comment on some of the misconceptions of "socialism". I think in America we have some really silly ideas about social programs. There's a knee jerk reaction by a lot of people and they don't even know why. Some of the reasons are valid and others are just rediculous. Social Programs are what made America what it is today. If it weren't for the GI Bill after WWII most of us would still be struggling to get out of poverty. And if it weren't for government subsidies for housing, then a lot more of us would be homeless. Social programs are always needed, even in our "capitalist" economy. Also socialism is not a form of govt. and neither is capitalism. What we have is democracy. Democracy means a govt. run by the people for the people. It's right in our constitution!! Our economy shoudn't have power over our lives, we should. What you see as freedom, others see as oppression.

QFT!

Stay green.

[stoned budda]

Originally Posted by AK Infinity

This is GrassCity bro, not the United States of America. The City is owned by an individual that doesn't even live in the states and he wants this place to be civil and respectable. Some of the topics that are discussed aren't done with much maturity all the time and as a result that behavior has to be dealt with. This may conflict with what your idea about Democracy is, but again, this isn't a democracy. To take it down another notch, this is a site about marijuana not politics. There are lots of those kinds of sites on the net, so if you want to post until your fingers bleed, try one of those.

Its been my experience that when topics like these are started they usually don't end very well, that isn't the kind of vibe we want here, plain and simple.



The fact that "Hussein" is his middle name isn't the point, at least I hope you understand that. The point is what's being evoked when Republicans use that middle name. If it's just a matter of pointing it out, I got no problem with that as I'm sure most reasonable people wouldn't but if it's as I suspect, a means to enflame anti-Muslim sentiment then I got am problem with that. This isn't a regular election year with two white guys dissing on each other for a couple months before a general election. This year is different and historic because of the participants. This country has done a very bad job so far dealing with race, so it's only natural that one would conclude that the Republicans who are so good at fear mongering are simply up to their old tricks again.

Let me restate this, I have no problem with his middle name, it's Hussein, what I have a problem with are the people that thrive off of a type of politics that drives wedges between people through insinuation and fear mongering.

I know its the city and those are the rules that we must adhere to, and while i respect that i doesn't make it right, its almost like a look inside of a socialist liberal utopia.

And I'm quite aware of what he was implying, but Obama and his minions better grow some thick skin because in the general election the attacks are going to be worst than using his middle name, and if he got nothing to be ashamed of, he should be proud of his heritage and proud of his name.

Fear mongering is a political concept not a party concept, its used on both sides, and your right about racism in America, these crust old democrats that live around me are in no way voting for a black man. hell my self id rather vote for AL sharpton over Barak Hussein Obama, at least with big AL i know what to expect, and with the endorsement of calypso Louie farrakhan he can forget about the Jewish vote. Whether he rejects it or not, it still out there.

[AK Infinity]

Originally Posted by stoned budda

Fear mongering is a political concept not a party concept, its used on both sides, and your right about racism in America, these crust old democrats that live around me are in no way voting for a black man. hell my self id rather vote for AL sharpton over Barak Hussein Obama, at least with big AL i know what to expect, and with the endorsement of calypso Louie farrakhan he can forget about the Jewish vote. Whether he rejects it or not, it still out there.

I disagree with this because I believe a lot of people will vote for Mr. Barack Hussein Obama in the general election because the American people want change and I think they care much less about the package it comes in than you do. As for me I'll vote for the candidate I believe has the best chances of helping our country move in the right direction and I believe that person to be Mr. Barack Hussein Obama.

[stoned budda]

Originally Posted by AK Infinity

I disagree with this because I believe a lot of people will vote for Mr. Barack Hussein Obama in the general election because the American people want change and I think they care much less about the package it comes in than you do. As for me I'll vote for the candidate I believe has the best chances of helping our country move in the right direction and I believe that person to be Mr. Barack Hussein Obama.

I have no idea how old you are I'm going ton say this is your first presidential election, i maybe wrong. My point is that although age has nothing to do with intelligence it does affect wisdom and experience especially concerning life in general.
Man, i used to drive truck across country, i did it for years, now i own my own small trucking company, i travel the country a lot. I meet a lot of people, and one thing i know for sure is racism in this country is alive and well, both in the white and black communities. And who knows i may be wrong but i dont think a black man can honestly win the general.
What scares me is the aftermath of the elections. I have, lets say business acquaintances in the Aryan brotherhood, and those assholes are always shooting their fuck in mouths off, but lately i started listening to their bitching about a black president and its kind of unnerving, you know scary. Then on the news there was a story about a couple of black PBS talk show host that endorsed hillary and said they received death threats from obama supporters. I think that no matter who wins there may be no peace and that either way racism and hatred will rise to a new level.
And please dont think im some skin head racist because of the brotherhood, its not personal its buisness. They dont like me, and i dont like them.

[Boosh]

Originally Posted by chicken

i will agree with this,,,, but is the lesser of 2 evils, allways the way to go,,,,

the democrat party keeps bringing loosers to the table,,,,

Those losers are gonna win the upcoming election though. I dont see too much of a hope for the republicans this term. Its the democrats turn for now.

However, I wanna vote for ron paul, but I know dude isnt gonna win, and I dont want to waste my vote. So what the fucks a ***** to do?

[AK Infinity]

Originally Posted by stoned budda

I have no idea how old you are I'm going ton say this is your first presidential election, i maybe wrong. My point is that although age has nothing to do with intelligence it does affect wisdom and experience especially concerning life in general.

No this isn't my first Presidential election just my most hopeful.

Originally Posted by stoned budda

Man, i used to drive truck across country, i did it for years, now i own my own small trucking company, i travel the country a lot. I meet a lot of people, and one thing i know for sure is racism in this country is alive and well, both in the white and black communities. And who knows i may be wrong but i dont think a black man can honestly win the general.

You are in fact wrong because a "black man," whose mother was "white" can win the general election. I'll bump this thread in the fall, and we'll see who's right. I have enough experience, traveled enough, so I realize that "racism" is still around today but my contention is that America is getting better. I'm hoping this is the election year that we collectively look into the future and determine it doesn't matter if it's a woman, a black man, or an old war hero that wins the general election, the only thing that matters is if they can do the job.

Originally Posted by stoned budda

What scares me is the aftermath of the elections. I have, lets say business acquaintances in the Aryan brotherhood, and those assholes are always shooting their fuck in mouths off, but lately i started listening to their bitching about a black president and its kind of unnerving, you know scary. Then on the news there was a story about a couple of black PBS talk show host that endorsed hillary and said they received death threats from obama supporters. I think that no matter who wins there may be no peace and that either way racism and hatred will rise to a new level.

I'm a bit more optimistic than you are because I realize not everyone is going to be happy if we have a black President, but Americans can adjust. Not everyone will be happy regardless of who ends up with the Presidency but I can say I believe that this is a sturdy Democracy that can deal with a woman or a black man as President. I don't judge this country based solely on where it has missed the mark but more importantly where it gets things right. Regardless of whether or not Mr. Obama wins he's taken states that are populated mostly by whites. The fact that he's made it this far, beat the Clintons at their own game, and has now passed the 1,000,000 donors mark makes this an unparalleled accomplishment for an African American.

Originally Posted by stoned budda

And please dont think im some skin head racist because of the brotherhood, its not personal its buisness. They dont like me, and i dont like them.

I try to never jump to conclusions about others bro, just like I hope they don't try jump to them about me because of the color of my skin.

[stoned budda]

Originally Posted by AK Infinity

No this isn't my first Presidential election just my most hopeful.
You are in fact wrong because a "black man," whose mother was "white" can win the general election. I'll bump this thread in the fall, and we'll see who's right. I have enough experience, traveled enough, so I realize that "racism" is still around today but my contention is that America is getting better. I'm hoping this is the election year that we collectively look into the future and determine it doesn't matter if it's a woman, a black man, or an old war hero that wins the general election, the only thing that matters is if they can do the job.

I hope you do bump this thread as i will be curious. As far as your travels, again i may be assuming too much, but myself, i usually have to deal with the segment of society that is, lets say not the most educated among us, and that's the people i was referring to, not the people you will see on the news being interviewed. There are a lot more of them than there are intelligent people, and add to that conservatives and the religious right ( mccain received pastor john haggys endorsement today), and that's why i laid down money against obama on sports book. But you boot it up on wednesday after the election and will see. peace

[AK Infinity]

Originally Posted by stoned budda

I hope you do bump this thread as i will be curious. As far as your travels, again i may be assuming too much, but myself, i usually have to deal with the segment of society that is, lets say not the most educated among us, and that's the people i was referring to, not the people you will see on the news being interviewed. There are a lot more of them than there are intelligent people, and add to that conservatives and the religious right ( mccain received pastor john haggys endorsement today), and that's why i laid down money against obama on sports book. But you boot it up on wednesday after the election and will see. peace

There's a lot people don't know about each other but that should lead us to reach out, not react. Also, I meant that I'll bump it in November bro; I think Mr. Obama will win the nomination.

Peace.

[Eru_iluvatar]

Originally Posted by chicken

telling the blind masses what they want to hear to lead them blindly to the polling booth to vote for him,,,,

as was hitler,

words to me aint shit, show me some action,,,

dude, welcom to politics
and hitler actually changed ALOT of Germany for the better......well until he started killing people


I don't like anyone thats running, I say we kick them all out and try again

[Knox]

I'm voting McCain, but only because universal health care is a deal breaker for me. I agree that there is a need for some social programs, but they should be very limited in scope and health care is definitely not one of them. If Obama wasn't for it I might even go with him, depending on the specifics of his "phased withdrawal" plan as I think Hillary's "60 days" lacks foresight. I am impressed with how Obama has surged in his campaign, and I would really like to see him get the democratic nomination.

Originally Posted by AK Infinity

This country has done a very bad job so far dealing with race, so it's only natural that one would conclude that the Republicans who are so good at fear mongering are simply up to their old tricks again.

I would just like to point out that McCain wasn't the one who said the "Hussein" comment, in fact he apologized for Bill Cunningham's remarks. Though I will say that the ultra (Christian) right has lost touch with what truly means to be a Republican, I dream for the day when church and state become truly separate. I'm not calling you out or anything, just thought it could use some clarification.

[Eru_iluvatar]

Originally Posted by Knox

I'm voting McCain, but only because universal health care is a deal breaker for me.

AMEN botha', nobody I talk to seems to think that universal health care is a bad thing.....one more step towards socialism

[Knox]

Originally Posted by Eru_iluvatar

AMEN botha', nobody I talk to seems to think that universal health care is a bad thing.....one more step towards socialism

Ever been to the DMV? Try that with health care. No thank you.

[AlphaQ]

Recently I have watched a series about the history of the presidents of the United States of America. I only viewed from 1789-1913, so I have not covered all of them, but my memory from history class will hopefully serve me well.

Throughout the time period I mentioned, about 5 of the 27 presidents can reasonably be considered good for the country. The overwhelming majority have produced very poor results. Many of the candidates were selected by political parties solely based on popularity or the fact they were war veterans. Many of them had little or no political background and left office in shame.

If you look at McKinley's presidency, it mirrors George W. Bush's quite remarkably. The sad thing is we obviously have not learned throughout the hundreds of years how to select well-qualified candidates.

Judging from the past, I honestly see any candidate that is elected in 2008 will result in this nation moving in a more positive direction compared with the disaster that is the George W. Bush administration. Unfortunately, the man that will lead the nation in the best direction will not have the opportunity, Ron Paul.

I am not a big fan of Senator Obama, but neither am I a fan of senator Clinton not Senator McCain. The irony is in 2000 McCain was by far the only candidate I was in favor of. 8 years later I wonder if the world would be much different had he defeated Bush in the republican primary.

I only hope whomever is elected will stand by the policy of change for America, because on its current path, the country is doomed to fail.

[stoned budda]

Originally Posted by Knox

Even been to the DMV? Try that with health care. No thank you.

"We're from the government, we are here to help you". If you ever hear that fucking runnnnnnn!
Why do librerals think that government is here to solve their problems? They fuck up what ever they touch, and then they spend millions of our tax dollars on stupid hearings so they can figure out who to blame.