New Constitution of the Confederate States of America

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  1. #1 Deleted member 472633, Jan 22, 2012
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    Constitution of the Confederate States of America - 2003


    Haven't finished reading this yet but so far it looks pretty good. It seems like a good blueprint for a future government after the coming fall of the United States. Its basically just a more explicit version of what the Founders intended the original Constitution to be, its language just makes it harder for lawyers to try to twist the words like they've done with our beloved Constitution. Anyways I am NOT endorsing yet because I haven't finished reading but let me know what you think.

    Here is an excerpt:

    Section VIII. Powers of the Congress

    The Congress shall have power:

    To lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts, and excises for revenue, necessary to pay the debts, provide for the common defense, and carry on the exercise of these and only these Enumerated Powers; but no bounties shall be granted from the Treasury; nor shall any duties or taxes on importations from foreign nations be laid to promote or foster any branch of industry; and all duties, imposts, and excises shall be uniform throughout the Confederate States; but no taxes or other mandated payments shall be imposed upon or extracted from wages, or upon the income or property of individuals.
    To borrow money on the credit of the Confederate States.
    To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several States, but neither this, nor any other clause contained in the Constitution, shall ever be construed to delegate the power to Congress to appropriate money for any internal improvement intended to facilitate commerce; except for the purpose of furnishing lights, beacons, and buoys, and other aids to navigation upon the coasts, and the improvement of harbors and the removing of obstructions in river navigation; in all which cases such duties shall be laid on the navigation facilitated thereby as may be necessary to pay the costs and expenses thereof.
    To establish uniform laws of naturalization, and uniform laws on the subject of bankruptcies, throughout the Confederate States; but no law of Congress shall discharge any debt contracted before the passage of the same.
    To coin and print money , regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures.
    To provide for the punishment of counterfeiting the securities and current coin and tender of the Confederate States.
    To establish post offices and post routes; but the expenses of the Postal Service shall be paid out of its own revenues.
    To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries; except that no inventor may continue a copyright for longer than five years of an invention not in use.
    To constitute tribunals inferior to the Supreme Court.
    To define and punish piracies and felonies committed on the high seas, and offenses against the law of nations.
    To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water.
    To raise and support armies; but no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer term than two years.
    To provide and maintain a navy, and an air force.
    To make rules for the government and regulation of the land, air and naval forces.
    To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the Confederate States, suppress insurrections, and repel invasions.
    To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the Confederate States; reserving to the States and the People, respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress, and
    To exercise exclusive legislation, in all cases whatsoever, over such property as may become the seat of the Government of the Confederate States; and to exercise like authority over all places purchased by the consent of the Legislature of the State in which the same shall be, for the erection of forts, magazines, arsenals, dockyards, and other needful buildings.
     
  2. #2 Dannyscott, Jan 22, 2012
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    This could work. Decentralization is the best avenue out of our current issues.

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    I like... I like....

    Though there should be provisions for what kind of economic and healthcare model it would support. As well as how commerce would be regulated.
     
  3. The South will rise again
     

  4. Deo Vindice!
     
  5. lmao you really think america will fall as a country? The American economy is too diverse.
     
  6. It's already failing ^

    I like it James
     
  7. Things that I disagree with. It is still the same fucking system.
    Taxes
    Congress control the money supply
    Regulations

    Yeah, real genius! That'll put America back to tracks. 100 years later, FUCK! We're back to same fucking shit. Overthrow the gov to place a new gov. 100 years later, FUCK! We're back square one.
     
  8. #8 hoboleader, Jan 22, 2012
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    we need an internet based government. fuck this 20th century BS.

    but as grizmo said, it will only be 100 years before things goto shit again.
     
  9. The regulatory power of the this Constitution is EXTREMELY limited. Also guess what if you don't like the way the new CSA is heading you have the right to lobby your state to secede from the CSA. So if you feel the Confederacy becomes to powerful or starts abusing its powers, California for example has the right to leave without conflict, from the CSA and form its own country.

    Your state could form its own "internet government" if it wanted nothing is stopping that from happening. The CSA Federal Gov. is extremely limited in scope and power so they won't get into your business. However why would you even want an internet government? Do you know how fucking stupid Americans are in this day and age? Lets say Colorado decides to have direct democracy through the internet, don't complain when the people of Colorado decide that the state should buy everyone an Xbox or spam the internet gov with petitions to fund an Anime Institute or whatever other stupid thing people decide they are into.
     
  10. Interesting:

    What is a "sovereign freeman"?

    A sovereign freeman is the formal form of Confederate citizenship. Prior to the US Constitution's fourteenth amendment, people were freemen and freeholders, denoting individual sovereignty. Whereas the term citizen implies a manner of subservience to the almighty state. This is reversed in the New Confederacy: individuals are sovereign freemen with God-given individual rights, not servants of the state. Therefore, we call ourselves not citizens, but sovereign freemen.
     
  11. Section I. Limitations on Government

    Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the Confederate States of America, or any place subject to their jurisdiction, and no person shall be compelled to service in the armed forces or any other part of Government.
    The privilege of the writ of habeas corpus shall not be suspended.
    No bill of attainder, ex post facto law, or law denying or impairing the right of holding property, or law taxing the possession of property, shall be passed.
    No capitation or other direct tax shall be laid, unless in proportion to the census or enumeration herein before directed to be taken.
    No tax or duty shall be laid on articles exported from any of the Confederate States to another Confederate State.
    No preference shall be given by any regulation of commerce or revenue to the ports of one State over those of another.
    No money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in consequence of appropriations made by law; and a regular statement and account of the receipts and expenditures of all public money shall be published from time to time, all expenditures being public knowledge.
    Congress shall appropriate no money from the Treasury except by a vote of two-thirds of both Houses, taken by yeas and nays, unless it be asked and estimated for by some one of the heads of departments and submitted to Congress by the President; or for the purpose of paying its own expenses and contingencies; or for the payment of claims against the Confederate States, the justice of which shall have been judicially declared by a tribunal for the investigation of claims against the Government, which it is hereby made the duty of Congress to establish.
    All bills appropriating money shall specify in Federal currency the exact amount of each appropriation and the purposes for which it is made; and Congress shall grant no extra compensation to any public contractor, officer, agent, or servant, after such contract shall have been made or such service rendered.
    No title of nobility shall be granted by the Confederate States; and no person holding any office of profit or trust under them shall accept of any present, emolument, office, or title of any kind whatever, from any king, prince, or foreign state.
    The civil rights of none shall be abridged on account of religious belief or worship, nor shall any national or state religion be established, nor shall the full and equal rights of conscience be in any manner, or on any pretext, infringed, nor shall any government prohibit the free exercise of religion; Neither shall any government abridge the freedom of speech, or the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble and petition the Government for a redress of grievances. A government shall never promote, control, tax, nor interfere with any religious or philosophical organization or activity, and shall neither restrict nor control the free flow of ideas using any present or future form or medium of expression.
    A well-regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. The right of the individual to keep and bear arms, ammunition, transportation, and weapons of war, for the purposes of defense of self, household, community, enterprise, State, Nation, or Republic, shall be sacrosanct, as shall the right to such defense, and no Government, corporation, artificial entity, or private individual shall infringe upon these rights, nor shall any Government regulate, tax, impede, prohibit, survey, or in any other manner interfere in the free possession, transport, import, export, sale, or keeping of arms, ammunition, transportation or devices or publications involved in maintaining these rights.
    No soldier shall, in time of peace, be quartered in any house without the consent of the owner; nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.
    The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, vehicles, papers, communications, data, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated; and no warrants shall issue but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched or surveyed, and the persons or things to be seized or surveyed. Government shall not invade the privacy of any individual, nor survey him, without due process of law to which he is entitled to be informed.
    No person shall be held to answer for a capital crime or felony, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb by any Government once tried under one Government; nor be compelled, in any criminal case, or in any potential criminal matter, to be a witness against himself; nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation; and in all criminal trials a presumption of innocence of the accused shall attach, until a unanimous jury of not less than twelve persons shall convict the defendant, and no seizure of property not admitted as evidence shall occur, nor permanent forfeiture of property occur without the conviction of its owner.
    No law shall be used to indict a defendant on the basis of his thoughts or his political or religious beliefs.
    In all criminal prosecutions the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor; and to have the assistance of counsel of his choosing for his defense, and to have his counsel compensated by the court, in an amount equivalent to the expenditures of the prosecution.
    In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved; and no fact so tried by a jury shall be otherwise reexamined in any court of the Confederacy, than according to the rules of common law.
    Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted. No bail shall be required of a defendant for the purpose of defending himself against a charge.
    Every law, or resolution having the force of law, shall relate to but one subject, and that shall be expressed in the title.
    All political power is inherent in the People, and all Governments exist by the will of the people. The people of the Confederate States, the several States, and any Government under them, retain the right of altering, reforming, or abolishing their Government in any manner they believe proper, at any time. Congress may not delegate that which is reserved to the People to any part of the Executive branch.
    Every individual has the inherent right of liberty, which is the unrestrained exercise of free will, which shall never be infringed provided the exercise thereof does not violate the rights of any other individual.
    Every individual's body, life, labor, ideas, thoughts, and possessions that the individual has lawfully created or acquired are that individual's property. Every individual has the inherent right of the ownership, non-coercive acquisition, and use of property.
    All rights are retained by each individual and shall never be denied, infringed, or violated in any way except in the sole circumstance of conviction of a crime or tort by due process of law, and then only as directed in the particular case.
    No Government shall grant monopolies or perpetuities nor in any way restrict or control the free flow of trade within or across the geographical boundaries of the Confederate States.
    No Government shall craft any law favoring one class of adult sovereign freemen over another, nor provide for punishment under the law for crimes committed against one class of adult persons as opposed to another.
    No juror shall be tried for any decision rendered while serving on a jury, and jurors shall be empowered to try both the facts and the law, and in a criminal matter before a jury, all arguments as to the law must be in the presence of the jury.
    The right of the individual to medicate themself for illness, malady or health, as well as the right to refuse medication, shall not be infringed.
    No citizen shall be limited in their right to travel within the jurisdiction of the Confederate States, the several States, and its territories, and no jurisdiction shall license the right of the individual to travel upon any of its public roads and thoroughfares, nor shall a jurisdiction compel the license of the use of the individual's vehicles not used for commerce, nor shall any jurisdiction be empowered to demand proof of identity from any citizen without due process.
    No artificial entity such as a corporation or a Government may be interpreted to have rights superior to the rights of individuals, nor is a Government madated under this Constitution to consider such artifical entity equal to an individual, and when the rights of individuals and the rights of artificial entities conflict, the rights of individuals shall be held to be superior to the rights of artificial entities.
    No mark, computer chip, number, enumeration, or identity marker, nor any oath or vow of loyalty, shall be required to buy and sell within the Confederate States.
     
  12. So who wrote it?

    I doubt our new leaders would agree with anything that gives citizens ANY happiness.
     
  13. I'm not sure...

    Why a new Constitution?

    Several reasons. One is that many of the institutions considered valid under the old Constitution, such as slavery, are now obsolete, as well as abhorrent to the concept of a nation based on individual freedoms. Two is that a mechanism is needed by which the people, separate and distinct from their governments, may elect to secede from the United States and the state governments, and form new governments befitting a free people: the New Confederate Constitution provides such a framework. Three is that we have learned through the oppressive history of the governments of the United States, that governments must be more strictly bound than either the current United States constitution, or the Confederate Constitution of 1861 binds them: otherwise, these selfsame abuses will reappear.
     
  14. I don't like how the limitations are on south versus north. Why can't northern States join?

    I've only read to that part so far, but if it truly is an explicit version of our Constitution, I will like it.
     

  15. Because the Northern States don't believe in popular sovereignty. The Northern States don't believe that government derives its authority from the people but that Government has natural power that stands on its own.

    But remember this is obviously not ratified yet so its a rough draft.
     

  16. uh... the northern states?

    how about all states...

    the judicial system pretends common law doesn't exist.

    you can STILL be a freeman, just you have been roped into their game since birth.
     
  17. [quote name='"James2912"']Section I. Limitations on Government

    Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the Confederate States of America, or any place subject to their jurisdiction, and no person shall be compelled to service in the armed forces or any other part of Government.
    ...
    No mark, computer chip, number, enumeration, or identity marker, nor any oath or vow of loyalty, shall be required to buy and sell within the Confederate States.[/quote]

    Love this post.

    Let northern states join if they want ):
     

  18. Yeah I really think its a great document I think it should let anybody join if they want.
     
  19. At least we will be known for real southern food as compared to hot dog and hamburgers.

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    Merica fuck yeah
     

  20. That looks absolutely delicious! :D
     

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