Red Dragon 1000W Ebb and Gro

Hello again friends

I've been on the fence about doing another grow journal, but decided to go ahead and do it.

Strain: Barney's Farm Red Dragon (Started from Seed)
How Many Plants: 4
Watts: 1000
Ballast: Lumatek Dimable
Carbon Filter: Phresh 6"
Exhaust Fan: Vortek 6"
Hydroponic System: CAP Ebb and Gro 3 gallon system
Media: Clay Rock aggregate
Veg Time: 2 weeks from seed hand watering, 3 weeks in Ebb and Gro System (5 weeks total)
Training: Topped twice
Nutrient Line: Advanced Nutrients

Veg Nutrients Used:

Sensi Grow A/B
Rhino Skin
B-52
VooDoo Juice
Great White
PPM/PH: Week 1 (.9 EC/5.6-5.9), Week 2 (1.3 EC/5.6-6.0), Week 3 (1.9/5.6-6.0)
Environmental: Temp in the room (70-75), Humidity (45%)

Bloom Nutrients that will be used:

Connoisseur A/B
VooDoo Juice (Weeks 1-2)
Rhino Skin (Weeks 1-8)
B-52 (Weeks 3-8)
Bud Candy (Weeks 1-8)
Big Bud (Weeks 2-4)
Nirvana (Weeks 3-8)
Bud Factor X (Weeks 1-8)
Overdrive (Weeks 7-8)
Sensizyme (Weeks 1-8)


I haven't taken any pictures yet, but I do plan on it once I put them into flower. I will be doing a 24 hour flush on Sunday and flipping to flower on Monday.

I have ditched the tent this go round, mainly because I didn't have enough room in it for the system and 4 plants.

I'm planning on doing a ScRog, but haven't purchased the materials yet so that may not happen.

I will try to answer any and all questions if I know the answer to them. Thank You for watching.

Edited by fyrhazzrd, 20 January 2012 - 11:19 PM.

I have heard some odd reports on this particular strain. Every grow journal I have seen on this strain (which is not very many) say that it is a slow grower. Particularly in Veg.

I have not seen this. It looks to be on par with my last grow. They have been in the hydro system for almost three weeks, and after topping them twice they are sitting at about 15" tall, and getting bushy. When I put them in the system they were about 2" tall and a single stem.

They will probably be about 20" by the time I flip the switch on Monday. Which right on par where I want them to be. I have about 60" of vertical space for them to grow.

Nice! Subbed

I'm growing some Red Dragons at the moment, about to start week 7 of flowering. They are some of the most beautiful plants I have seen.

Awesome.. Do you have a grow journal? I would love to see pictures. I can't find any on the net anywhere. People who start journals on this strain run into problems and never finish.

Sorry no journal. If I can borrow a digital camera I'll try and take a pic or two. All I can say is beautiful strain. Seed ratio was poor, only 50-60% survived. Yes, they do start slow but they fill up very nicely. I haven't had any problems with them.

I see you are running the whole AN range. I use H&G, but introduced Big Bud as well and they loved it. Planning on using Bud Candy next and possibly a few others. So looking forward to your grow.

I like the Red Dragons so much I am going to try and re-veg them at the end and get a mother plant.

I started 4 seeds and all 4 popped and survived. But then I don't use the paper towel method to germ. I just stick them in a rock wool cube, and put them under a humidity dome and on a heating pad. Works every time.

Here are the Pictures as promised. I was going to wait to take the pictures till Monday, but I figured what the hay. You can't have a Journal without pictures.. LOL :smoke:

In case you're wondering about the flypaper; it's just there for monitoring purposes.

Edited by fyrhazzrd, 21 January 2012 - 04:35 PM.

And a couple more for good measure.

looks fuckin prime bro!! im definitely sticking around!

Thanks for the compliment man, but It's not exactly perfect. I'm having an environmental issue that is causing leaf droop and I'm not sure what is causing it exactly. Usually it's from overwatering, but I don't believe that is the case here. It started when they were in the humidity dome so I'm hoping it's only the old growth and won't continue on to the new growth.

I'm gonna drag up a chair.
I've heard good shit about BF's stuff, I'm doing a pineapple chunck now.

I'm interested in E&B, been thinking about trying it....How U like it compared to BB's?

I'm gonna drag up a chair.
I've heard good shit about BF's stuff, I'm doing a pineapple chunck now.

I'm interested in E&B, been thinking about trying it....How U like it compared to BB's?

It's a lot easier that's for sure. Only drawback is it is going to cost a small fortune in nutrients. Since I'm mixing up 20 Gallons of water instead of the 10 gallons I would be doing if I were doing the BB's. It stings to have to add 150ml of all of the additives every week; especially the VooDoo Juice.

Well yeah, but you keep using the water and only add back as the PPM's go down right?

What is the watering schedule on these too?

And how big a tub?

It's a 50 Gallon Reservoir, but like I said I'm only using 20 Gallons of it. I really don't have to add any water yet, since they are so young. Once they are in full bloom, I may up it to 30 Gallons.

The schedule I have them on currently is 6am(lights on), 12pm, 6pm, 11pm.. Lights out @ 12am

Once I switch to flower It will go 6am, 12pm, 5pm, and lights out @ 6pm.

I may add a cycle in there mid flower once they start feeding more.

I just made the command decision of veg'ing one more week. I just want it to bush out a little bit more. I think I'm going to go out this weekend and pick up the stuff for the scrog. So hopefully that will keep the vertical height in check. I only have a max of 60" of vertical height to work with so I'm keeping my fingers crossed that my plan works.

What sucks is if I'm going to veg another week is that I'll need to buy another bottle of VooDoo Juice. That crap is expensive. I only have enough left for two water changes. Which would be great if I was flipping to flower this weekend, but since I'm not I'm screwed. LOL

Edited by fyrhazzrd, 21 January 2012 - 09:42 PM.

Nice setup. I run the same system too

One thing to look out for is root rot. The roots will either chase the nutrients down the pipe or get sucked out when it drains. Keep a regular and vigilant eye on them. Turn the pots regularly...which may put you off the scrog.

How about these instead of a full scrog net? http://www.amazon.co...27187138&sr=8-5 They work quite well for me

I don't have any residual water left over in my buckets after the drain cycle kicks off. I slanted that platform slightly toward the outside of the buckets, and then slightly towards the controller bucket. I have checked it a couple minutes after the drain cycle and the buckets are dry. There are a few drops of water, but I hardly think it's enough to cause root rot. It's also the reason I taped down the hoses; to ensure that the water drains out of the hoses as well.

Those hoops are interesting. But I plan on my plants getting to about 3' in diameter, so I don't think those hoops are big enough for what I'm planning on.

The root rot does not come from the residual water, but from the roots growing down the pipe. I think what happens is that the roots get dragged down the pipe when it drains. Like taking the plug out of a bath. Before you know it they have chocked the pipe and root root sets in. Keep an eye out, common issue with this system.

The root rot does not come from the residual water, but from the roots growing down the pipe. I think what happens is that the roots get dragged down the pipe when it drains. Like taking the plug out of a bath. Before you know it they have chocked the pipe and root root sets in. Keep an eye out, common issue with this system.

Thanks I will look out for it.. Although I have to say I have been running Ebb and Flow of some sort for years, and have not seen a single case of root rot in any of my systems. Even when the roots get sucked down the tube. Granted none of my grows in Ebb and Flow have been Marijuana, but I wouldn't think that would matter much.

God I feel so stupid. I've been trying to figure out how to fix my problem with the drooping leaves. I have quite literally been racking my brain all week on this.

I think I found my problem, or at least I hope I did. I think it was a PH problem. I tested my PH a few minutes ago and it was at 6.0, I then recalibrated my PH Pen and then tested my PH again. It came out to 5.0. So long story short I have been adjusting my PH down to 4.6 and letting it rise to 5.0.

So what's the consensus will an extremely low PH cause the "Claw"?