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Hello Everybody,

Sounds silly but I am having a little trouble understanding how to use Subcools super soil. From what I understand he starts his pups in a light soil called roots? Then when you transplant (not sure when) you put 1/4 or a tad more of super soil on the bottom and cover the rest with high quality organic soil. Now does this last for the rest of the plants life? Or are you supposed to transplant again at some point? Please excuse my lack of knowledge, I am fairly new to growing. Anyone who can shed some light upon the subject the info will be much appreciated!

Thanks,
MH19:smoke:

For those of you who dont know the recipe here it is:
8 large bags of a high-quality organic potting soil with coco fiber and mycorrhizae (i.e., your base soil)
25 to 50 lbs of organic worm castings
5 lbs steamed bone meal
5 lbs Bloom bat guano
5 lbs blood meal
3 lbs rock phosphate
¾ cup Epson salts
½ cup sweet lime (dolomite)
½ cup azomite (trace elements)
2 tbsp powdered humic acid

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As far as I know sub cool does not post here, but he is on other forums. If it were me I'd ask him directly. MIW

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or even his youtube im sure he would answer a private message

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Personally I'm more than a little sick of seeing subcools lame soil mix posted here over and over again. His PR team really needs to give it a break.

Not to mention the links to High Times, the lamest stoner magazine on the face of the planet.

Edited by WeeDroid, 19 January 2012 - 08:04 AM.


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Is Sub Cool soil connected with the breeder Sub Cool?

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I believe so.

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Amazing.......

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hi ya guys.. can yo ucomment about this soil mix?


12 gallons pumice (complete mix of particle size's)
7 gallons peat (mix of 2 wet and 5 dry)
4 gallon "green bag" compost

and 2 gallons of the following mix (there is about 1 gallon leftover):
crab - 15 cups
rock dust- 13 cups
neem cake- 7 cups
oyster flour- 7 cups
k-mag- 1 cups
bine meal- 3 cups
alfa- 4 cups
kelp- 4 cups

total about 25 gallons - around 3.5 cf

it is a lot of calcium, im hoping the silica in pumice will help balance... and i have some leftover silica trickle... for the calcium

i added 3 gallons water/ humic acid mix, mixed with a garden shovel and then tumbled this mix. then i topped with a cup alfalfa.

this should be a hot mixture. that's all i have, i have about 4 cups of the Kis mineral mix and other things like bat guano and live feed molasses and green sand but i am not adding yet because i think that should be all?

I also noticed a lot of worms under the surface after poking at it with my finger. I thoght they could be gnat larva but i've been pouring neem and bti and there are so many worms, and i saw one large red wiggler under all the small ones (about 1/4 inch, white), they are congregated at the surface because i applied rosemary/cilantro slurry about two weeks ago so they're eating it. Should i mix something in the soil for them?

plan is to plant all 6 in this 30 gal container. any tips welcome, thanks.... .... h2t

Edited by hope2toke, 19 January 2012 - 08:52 AM.


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8 large bags of a high-quality organic potting soil with coco fiber and mycorrhizae (i.e., your base soil)
25 to 50 lbs of organic worm castings
5 lbs steamed bone meal
5 lbs Bloom bat guano
5 lbs blood meal
3 lbs rock phosphate
¾ cup Epson salts
½ cup sweet lime (dolomite)
½ cup azomite (trace elements)
2 tbsp powdered humic acid


8 bags = 60 gallons
25 - 50 lbs. of EWC could be anything but I'll go with 2 c.f. = 14 gallons

Total volume 74 gallons.

15 lbs. of primary fertilizers - isn't that a tad excessive?

3 lbs. of rock phosphate - not Soft Rock Phosphate where you'd have chance to benefit from the Phosphorus content in a 4 - 6 month veg/flower cycle. You sure ain't gonna do it with rock phosphate

Epsom Salts? More Magnesium to buffer the levels in the obligatory Dolomite Lime?

And 'sweet lime' refers to either Agricultural Lime (Calcite) or Limestone - not Dolomite Lime.

A whopping 1/2 cup of Azomite? Why bother?

1 oz. of humic acid in 74 gallons of soil? Why bother? redux

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hope2toke,

I know you have worms but no ewc's? Your mix seems a bit dry, all that pumice. I can't speak to your proportions. Not quite that good in the soil sciences yet. But for the most part it seems like a solid mix.

Edited by WeeDroid, 19 January 2012 - 09:08 AM.


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Amazing.......


This is why you need to write a book. :)

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Hello Everybody,

Sounds silly but I am having a little trouble understanding how to use Subcools super soil. From what I understand he starts his pups in a light soil called roots? Then when you transplant (not sure when) you put 1/4 or a tad more of super soil on the bottom and cover the rest with high quality organic soil. Now does this last for the rest of the plants life? Or are you supposed to transplant again at some point? Please excuse my lack of knowledge, I am fairly new to growing. Anyone who can shed some light upon the subject the info will be much appreciated!

Thanks,
MH19:smoke:

For those of you who dont know the recipe here it is:
8 large bags of a high-quality organic potting soil with coco fiber and mycorrhizae (i.e., your base soil)
25 to 50 lbs of organic worm castings
5 lbs steamed bone meal
5 lbs Bloom bat guano
5 lbs blood meal
3 lbs rock phosphate
¾ cup Epson salts
½ cup sweet lime (dolomite)
½ cup azomite (trace elements)
2 tbsp powdered humic acid

HIGHTIMES.COM > Subcool’s Super Soil Step-by-Step



...Subcool's mix is proven to work so we can't really argue with success.

You make the supersoil mix, then you let it set for 30 days.....at transplant, fill 30-50% of your pot with the supersoil, filling the remainder with base soil (Roots organics, Fox Farm Ocean Forest, exc...)
...Subcool says that this mix will last upto a year giving them water only.
...Roots Organics is not a light soil, but is quite diverse in microorganisms and is a quality soil all the way around...the reason for not using the supersoil for young ones is because it is too strong....the Roots Organics, or Fox Farm Ocean Forest will provide your plants with all they need up until transplant into supersoil.

...here's a video ---> Kanaal van subcool420 - YouTube

...here's Roots Organics ---> roots organics soil - Google Search

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Sounds silly but I am having a little trouble understanding how to use Subcools super soil. From what I understand he starts his pups in a light soil called roots?

For those of you who dont know the recipe here it is:
8 large bags of a high-quality organic potting soil with coco fiber and mycorrhizae (i.e., your base soil)
25 to 50 lbs of organic worm castings
5 lbs steamed bone meal
5 lbs Bloom bat guano
5 lbs blood meal
3 lbs rock phosphate
¾ cup Epson salts
½ cup sweet lime (dolomite)
½ cup azomite (trace elements)
2 tbsp powdered humic acid



How can he call it his when he's using store bought soil as a base? Are you kidding me? All this guy is doing is adding a few ammendments to somebody elses mix and calling it his own...*laughing*

What I find unbelieveable is the sheer amount of people that talk about and rave over this ammended crap.

He's got nothin' on Jerry's Maine Chowduh...

jerry.
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Subcool's mix is proven to work so we can't really argue with success.


Trichome Fiend - It aint his mix! He's ammending store bought soil!!!


*lol*

jerry.

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...here's a quote from Sub.

Super Soil

To me, there is nothing like the taste of properly grown organic cannabis. The subtle flavors and aromas created when using Mother Earth are pleasantly overwhelming to the senses when everything is done properly. As with many vegetables, a rich organic soil can bring out the best in a plant. Throughout the past 20 years, I have tried almost every possible way to cultivate our favorite plant and while hydroponic is certainly faster and more productive, I have developed a soil that performs extremely well with very little guess work. I don’t worry about PH or PPM (parts per million), I simply have spent a few years developing a n effective recipe. Using seven gallon nursery pots, I can grow plants from start to finish using only water. Other than a bit of sweat equity every 90 days or so, this takes a huge amount of science out of the garden and puts nature back in charge. This recipe is slightly different from the one I had used previously— the one so many consider to be gospel— and that has been passed around for years from grower to grower. I consider this version to be new and improved and reflects the exact formula I am using at the time this book was actually printed.

I always start with at least 6-8 large bags of high quality organic soil. The selection of your base soil is very important, so don’t cut corners here. I cannot possibly discuss all the different products but I will mention a few notable favorites. A good organic soil should cost between $8-10 per 30 lb. bag. To get a really good idea of what I consider to be a balanced soil, take a look at the ingredients of a product called Roots Organic:

Lignite*, coca fiber, perlite, pumice, compost, peat moss, bone meal, bat guano, kelp meal, Green sand, soy bean meal, leonardite, k-mag, glacial rock dust, alfalfa meal, oyster shell flour, earth worm castings and Mycorrhizae.

I have always had success in giving my plants a wide range of soil amendments; I figure it's like a buffet where they get all they need.

“Lignite, also known as leonardite, mined lignin, brown coal, and slack, is an important constituent to the oil well, drilling industry. Lignite, or leonardite as it will be referred as hereafter, is technically known as a low rank coal between peat and sub-bituminous. Leonardite was named for Dr. A.G. Leonard, North Dakota's first state geologist, who was a pioneer in the study of lignite deposits. Leonardite is applied to products having a high content of humic acid. Humic acid has been found to be very useful as a drilling
mud thinner.”

Another soil product we are now testing is called Harvest Moon:

Washed coco fibers, Alaskan peat moss, perlite, yucca, pumice, diatoms, worm castings, feather meal, fishmeal, kelp meal, limestone, gypsum, soybean meal, alfalfa meal, rock dust, yucca meal, and Mycorrhizae fungi.

The Roots Organic soil has typically produced a more floral smell in the finished buds, while the Harvest Moon generates larger yields.

If you have access to good local mixes like these, then I highly recommend starting with these types of products. We have also had decent results using larger commercial brands, but not without plenty of additives. The best result we have seen from well known soil that is available nationwide is with Fox Farms “Ocean Forest” soil combined in a 2-1 ratio with “Light Warrior,” also produced by Fox Farms. On its own, the Ocean Forest is known for burning plants and having the wrong ratio of nutrients, but when mixed with Light Warrior it makes a pretty good base soil.

You can also just use two bales of their “Sunshine Mix #4,” but this is my last choice and plants growing in this may not complete properly with my “just add water” method of soil growing. The concept with this concentrated soil is to not have to worry about mixing nutrients once the soil is made.

The mix is placed in the bottom ¼ to ½ of the container and blended with base soil. This allows the plants to grow into the strongly concentrated soil and, in the right size container, they need nothing else but water throughout the full growing cycle. With strains requiring high levels of nutrients like Cheese and Space Queen and other high energy demand strains, we go as strong as ¾ of the container with Super Soil but this is only with a small percentage of strains.

Here are the amounts we have found that produce the best tasting buds and strongest medicines:

8 large bags of high quality organic potting soil with coco and Mycorrhizae
25-50 lbs. of organic worm castings
5 lbs. of Blood meal 12-0-0
5 lbs. Bat guano 0-5-0
5 lbs. Fish Bone Meal 3-16-0
¾ cup Epsom salt
1 cup Sweet lime (Dolomite)
½ cup Azomite ( Trace element)
2 Tbs. powdered Humic acid
*** If using an RO system add in 1/2 cup powdered Cal/mag

This is the same basic recipe I have used for 15 years. While I have made small changes in the ingrediants the basic recipe has stayed the same with the main change being the type of products we use. I do make small changes and that means the true recipe is always changing slightly but each of the changes is small and if I see no benifit I return to the previous mix. The hardest ingredient to acquire is the worm castings. Most people don't even know what this is. Be resourceful and find it! Worms make up ¾ of the living organisms underground and hold our planet together.
Be careful not to waste money on “Soil conditioner with worm castings.” Buy local, pure worm poop with no added mulch.

There are several methods of mixing this up well. You can sweep the ingredients off a patio or garage and work with it there on a tarp.You can use a kids’ plastic wading pool. These cost about $10 and work really well for a few seasons. Some growers have been known to rent a cement mixer and cut down on the physical labor. As long as you get the ingredients mixed up properly, that is all that matters.

This can be a lot of work so don’t pull a muscle if you’re not used to strenuous activity. The manual method is good for the mind and body. Working with soil keeps me in pretty good shape, but if you have physical limitations you can simply have someone mix it up for you while you supervise. One of the things I like about this method is that I can drop off plants to a patient and all they have to do is water them when the soil dries out.

Place a few bags of base soil in first, making a mound. Then place the powdered nutrients in a circle around the mound and cover it all with another bag of base soil.
Then, in go the bat poop and more base soil. I continue to layer soil and additives until everything has been added to the pile. At this point, I put on the muck boots. These help me kick the soil around and get it mixed up well using my larger leg muscles and not my back and arms. Then it’s as simple as my Skipper used to say: “Put your back into it.” This is hard work that I obsess on, even breaking up all the clods of soil by hand. I mix for about 15 minutes, turning the pile over and over until it is thoroughly combined. I store the mix in large garbage cans.

Before using it, the entire load is poured out once more and mixed well. Once placed in the storage containers, I water the mix slightly, adding three gallons of water to a large garbage can full. It will make the stirring harder next week but this will activate the Mycorrhizae and help all the powders dissolve.

Now, we add water and let it cook in the sunshine. Thirty days of cooking is best for this concentrate.

Do not put seeds or clones directly in this mix. It is a concentrated mix used in conjunction with base soil. Place it in the bottom of each finishing container. Fully rooted, established clones should be placed in a bed of base soil that is layered on top of the concentrate. As the plants grow, they slowly push their roots into the Super Soil, drawing up all nutrients needed to complete their life cycle. Super Soil can also be used to top dress plants that take longer to mature.

I use this mix for a full year, just adding about 30-50% in the lower portion of the container, depending on the strain, and plain base soil in the top portion. (Base soil means your regular potting soil such as Roots, Harvest Moon, or even Sunshine Mix without the additives!)

Buds produced from this method finish with nicely faded fan leaves and the end result is a smoother fruity flavor. The plants are not green when done but purple, red, orange and even black at times. The resin content is heavier and the terpins always seem to be more pungent.

This method is used by medical growers all over with amazing results. The feedback I receive is really positive with reports of hydro-like growth and novice growers producing buds of the same quality as lifelong growers.


You can watch more info on my Youtube channel

http://www.youtube.c....10/s-jOcEMnTbc

Notes#

We switched from Bone meal to Fish bone meal because its organic
Rock dust is no longer available due to the patriot act and I am not sure it helped anyway the Roots soil has Glacial Rock dust included.

I am now using 6 bags of Roots 2 bags of Biobiz Light in my recipe.

This is the most current recipe.

I hope this clears up some confusion.


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Subcool's mix is proven to work so we can't really argue with success.


Trichome Fiend - It aint his mix! He's ammending store bought soil!!!


*lol*

jerry.



...I know. He doesn't sell it....he basically is giving "his" mix/technique instructions....or in otherwords, his idea of a mix and how to use it....he isn't taking ownership of all the additives....he owns the idea....it's his mix.

Edited by trichome fiend, 19 January 2012 - 12:40 PM.


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or even his youtube im sure he would answer a private message


Subcool has a YouTube channel? I'm going to check it out good looks

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Maybe someone could explain this component:

2 tbsp powdered humic acid


Okay - 2 tbsp. = 12 tsp. even in the world of Oaksterdam U, Stoner Science Correspondence School, Kyle's screeds, High Times Magazine (what a source, eh?)

This mix basically makes up 10 c.f. so the application rate per cubic foot, not gallon, but cubic foot, is < 1.25 tsp.

This is 0.00021757903 c.f.

This must be some really super uber-duber humic acid!!!

LD

Edited by LumperDawgz2, 19 January 2012 - 02:49 PM.


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Sounds silly but I am having a little trouble understanding how to use Subcools super soil. From what I understand he starts his pups in a light soil called roots?

How can he call it his when he's using store bought soil as a base? Are you kidding me? All this guy is doing is adding a few ammendments to somebody elses mix and calling it his own...*laughing*

What I find unbelieveable is the sheer amount of people that talk about and rave over this ammended crap.

He's got nothin' on Jerry's Maine Chowduh...

jerry.


Jerry

In a round about way, ol' SubCool has confirmed what I've maintained from the first day they released their bull-sh*t soil: Roots Organic Soil mixes are crap.

SubCool sez you need to add 1.5 pounds of primary amendments to make it work. His numbers - not mine.

Why drag a bag of dirt home if you have to jump through this silliness to make it work?

Delusional.

LD

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A much cheaper and easier way to amend a "base soil". Would be to add something like Espoma Plant Tone, mix it in or top dress. Simple and effective.
And wear your mask when mixing soil, especially if your using fine powders.


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