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Posted 15 January 2012 - 05:26 AM

I am a weed newbie. Hear me out.

Is weed good for anxiety, OCD, and PTSD symptoms?

Is it so good that I will get addicted? I just want something like Prozac but a bit more natural, so weed seemed like a better option. But, I don't want to like it so much that I get addicted.

How much should weed cost? I heard it's like $20 for an ounce.

I don't plan on smoking weed, I plan on integrating it orally by making weed butter.

What kind of weed should I get? Indica or Sativa?

Should I get medically licensed for weed in California?
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Posted 15 January 2012 - 05:28 AM

Wow, lol
I'd say start small before you go with edibles..
$20 for a O? I wish lol
Sativa and Indica both serve different purposes
I really suggest you do more research, no one wants to spoon feed..

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Posted 15 January 2012 - 06:14 AM

Edibles made me have my first green out. You don't sound like you would have much of a tolerence, so if I were you I'd start out by using small quantities in a pipe or vape and see how it effects you

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Posted 15 January 2012 - 07:55 PM

Why do I have to smoke it before I go for edibles? It's not like I'll eat my weed butter all at once.

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Posted 15 January 2012 - 08:31 PM

Why do I have to smoke it before I go for edibles? It's not like I'll eat my weed butter all at once.



Elderly little grandmothers, who have never tried cannabis before, very frequently start out with edibles. :)

You have nothing to worry about! Just like any medication, you want to start LOW and SLOW.

Eat much less than you think you need to begin with (the equivalent of only 0.05g flowers, processed in oil, for instance) and every hour or so that you still feel comfortable or less-than-medicated after your first dose, have another dose that size, as you feel comfortable. Once you feel happily medicated, stop there. :D

Determining your dose is as easy as using X amount/doses of herb, then dividing by the volume of oil you end up with. A little simple math will tell you how much a (for instance) teaspoon of oil contains, regardless the ratio of herb to oil you started with.

Example:

If you used 5 grams, and you only want to start with 0.05g per dose, that's 100 'mini starter doses'! If you used a half cup of oil, that's 24 teaspoons, and just roughly 1/4 a teaspoon per dose. :smoke:


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The below excerpt is long, however it should help you to understand the many different types of sensation an edible can provide, using only one strain, versus the generally single-sensation smoking can provide.
Edibles are very different compared to smoking or even vaping, but similar to vaping, they can provide a wide range of effects depending how you treat the material. :hello:


The below is an excerpt from this tutorial:


-Medical Grade Cannabis Concentrate- (Edible & Smokable recipes included)

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And applies to these non-concentrate (flowers and sifted hash) tutorials as well,

BadKat's Highly Activated & Bioavailable, Med-Grade Canna Oil

Med-Grade Canna Oil

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BadKat's Highly Activated & Bioavailable, Med-Grade Hash Oil (same as capsule recipe, oil can also be used for cooking)

Med-Grade Hash Oil

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" Cannabis glandular material is notoriously difficult for the body to absorb, even if it has been activated, and even when it
is in the form of a sticky filtered concentrate, such as BHO, or Rick Simpson's Oil.




It needs a 'vehicle' such as oil, glycerin, or even alcohol, which drastically improves cellular permeability, in order to provide
you with the most absorption and the strongest sensations.

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The above 'water' could be brownie mix, it could be a beverage, or it could simply be the extra contents of your stomach
after swallowing canna oil as it is, or inside of a capsule.

When you process in oil gently, for long enough, a solution is formed in such a way when the solvent (in this case, oil) creates
a persistent 'coat' on the broken down particles of the solute (cannabis glandular material)... once this occurs, you have
a bioavailable 'solution'.


In other words, we choose the edible solvents we do, not only because they are effective at breaking down cannabis
glandular material, but because they help our bodies absorb it!


The specific oil source that you choose, even directly dictates where in the body, your oil is absorbed.... this is why the
quality of oil matters, as well.

Unless you know for a fact that your liver does not function properly, and that it consistently over-metabolizes both
food and medications, you should start with medium-chain containing oils such as coconut oil and palm kernal oil,
or to a lesser extend, clarified butter.

These oils deliver potency via the portal vein and liver, where a kind of chemical conversion takes place as the liver
metabolizes the oil, causing the majority of the D9-THC to convert to the more powerful 11-OH-THC!!


Choose the wrong oil, however, and you miss out on most, if not all of that conversion... which results in a much
weaker, shorter-lived experience.




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Common kitchen cooking oils such as olive, corn, canola and soy should be avoided, due to their long-chain

triglyceride content, UNLESS you are one of the very rare people with a liver that consistently over-metabolizes

cannabinoids. In this case I would suggest using either olive, grapeseed (low temps only), or sesame oils, because long-chain

cooking oils promote lymphatic absorption, meaning they almost entirely bypass the liver all together.




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Also, it is a little known fact that you can achieve a RANGE of effects and results, depending how well you activate

your material, and depending how bioavailable your oil is.



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A single strain, is not limited to providing only a 'single type' of experience when it is eaten, like it generally provides when it

is smoked.





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Edible cannabis can be more like vaporization, it can provide a range of experiences depending how you treat it, and the

possibilities can be much greater than smoking, or even vaping!




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The below describes the 'range' of effects provided by different levels of activation, their benefits, and the desired outcome for the

patients who choose them.


Starting with:


The least activation, producing a bioavailable solution of mostly carboxyl-intact acid components; Continuing right through to

decarboxylation, and active cannabinoids and chemicals, free of their carboxyl groups; And finally finishing with

degradation and the byproducts of degraded THC.







1.) - Some patients require 'inactive' but bioavailable THCA, CBNA, CBDA and the other (to us) 'inactive acids', and in

flowers those doses can range from .05g to as high as 4.5g, without 'doping up' or intoxicating a patient much, if at all even

at the highest doses. These are cold tinctures, processed with material that is as fresh as possible, without decarbing.

Cold, but most importantly bioavailable extractions (more than just 'juicing' plant matter is required!), provide powerful

anti-cancer/mutagenic, anti-seizure/spasmodic benefits and they provide wonderful pain relief without reducing sensation

of touch, they reduce swelling and inflammation even in lower doses, and especially at higher doses, and they provide especially

wonderful relief for specifically for MS, Parkinson's, as well as for generally frail patients, and also for those suffering

from seizures.

Where it takes literally only a day or two to build up a tolerance to the highest of doses, and these oils and tinctures do

not make a person feel overwhelmed, they are wonderful for treating patients who suffer from very powerful seizures,

and similar attacks. Cannabis is incredibly non-toxic, an incredibly larger dose may be given to both provide relief, and

to control the symptoms of more intense attacks, preventing further injury.

These oils and tinctures are also somewhat mood elevating, but still, for the most part it's without that medicated feeling.

You will have very good pain relief, without losing your sensation of touch.





2.) - The first sensations (following a cold tincture that has had no activation) of an oil or tincture with only limited or partial activation

and decent bioavailability, are primarily cerebral.

In higher doses, these under-processed edibles can cause some mild anxiety and even paranoia in some patients; hyperventilating,

'room-spins', racing-mind/thoughts, even vomiting, these are not uncommon side-effects of over-consumption of THC

and trace amounts of THCA, when they are consumed in quantity, minus some of the important experience-regulating byproducts,

of degradation.




3.) - Then, some patients want to feel relaxed, nicely buzzed but still functional, and they need something that elevates their

mood
without gluing them to the couch. In which case edibles decarbed and processed in oil, as described in most of

the tutorials here, are a great place to start.



For those first starting out with edibles, I make sure their first few doses are about half of what they'd normally smoke in

a
single session, or in a single day if they are heavy smokers. Once they know what to expect, the average dose most

people are satisfied with (but at the sane time they are not too overwhelmed by), is right around the same amount used in a

24 hour period. It's strong enough to either keep them from smoking quite as much in a day, or it actually out-right replaces

their smoking for the day.



So if you smoke a gram a day, you'll want to eat between a half gram, to a gram in a well-processed edible. I like to split

my daily dose into two to three smaller doses. Sometimes I take them in quick succession, sometimes I spread them

out, and finish with a 'sleeper'... Deciding what level of processing you need, can be the tricky part.






4.) - The longer you heat in oil (to a certain extent, up to four or five hours), the more 'body intensive' the sensations

will become, without a noticeable diminish in potency.

At these levels of activation you have highly effective pain relief, that can sometimes be powerful enough to effect

sensitivity to touch.... for instance if you have a low tolerance, you may notice that you become clumsy, or 'loose and wobbly'

on well-activated oil, you may lose some sensation of touch.

Four to six hours in oil at 220 f, or longer,

and I'm either stuck to the couch, or falling fast asleep!




5.) Any longer than a few hours at such temperatures will reduce THC content. But while 'perceived potency' diminishes, and

the ratio of THC begins to fall, the material becomes overloaded with byproducts of degraded THC, primarily in the form of

delta-8-THC and CBN, and when combined they are powerfully sedative.

While their effects may seem weak during the time you can keep your eyes open, these oils and tinctures usually knock a patient

out cold within 45 - 60 minutes, leaving them well rested upon waking the following morning (or afternoon)! "



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A VERY easy way to regulate dosage, would be to use capsules. :)

They are easy to make, and if odor is an issue they are good because limit the odor produced where you're not baking with the oil.

A quality medical-grade oil should be well-sealed while heated and will produce little to no odor during the process... it's usually baking where you have some acceptable amount of odor.
It's also just a little bit easier to know exactly how much you're getting (where as a pan of home-made brownies, particularly if made in a tapering pan, may end up being cut slightly different, producing a slightly different sized dose with each edible).


Each 00-sized cap holds about a gram of oil, or roughly 1/5 of a teaspoon. Someone with a lower (or no) tolerance could easily use flowers to make oil rather than concentrate, and have a comfortable starter dose per cap. Once you find your comfortable 'actual' dose, you just take as many caps as needed and take that into consideration when making your next batch. :)


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Hope this helps! Good luck, and have fun :wave:

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Posted 15 January 2012 - 08:37 PM

Why do I have to smoke it before I go for edibles? It's not like I'll eat my weed butter all at once.


Because 'newbies' like you will eat a brownie, then say "oh shit it didnt work" then eat 2 more and end up calling the cops because you think you're dying.

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Posted 15 January 2012 - 08:41 PM

Edibles give me anxitety...i would vape it if i were you

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Posted 15 January 2012 - 08:50 PM

Because 'newbies' like you will eat a brownie, then say "oh shit it didnt work" then eat 2 more and end up calling the cops because you think you're dying.


Exactly

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 06:15 AM

Cannabis can either make your anxiety better or worse
Since you've never consumed cannabis before
its not a bad idea to try smoking some prior to eating IMO

An edible can be many times more potent
and last many times longer than smoking
not a good combination if you're having a bad time

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 07:53 AM

Okay, I can try smoking it. But the effect of the same weed is different depending on whether I smoke it or eat it. So isn't it possible that smoking something will get me anxious while diluting it in food will give me the effect I want? As a friend told me, "it's a different kind of high".

I haven't smoked weed myself, but I've second hand smoked it from friends who did weed, and it acted like prozac for me so I know that there IS a weed out there that is right for me (even tho i have no idea how it would act if taken orally). I have no idea what sort of weed it was, I think it was a hybrid. As I said, I am clueless.

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 08:10 AM

You really aren't diluting it when you put it in food
In many cases the potency is greater in an edible ;)

A half gram of weed in an edible
will keep you far higher for far longer
than the same half gram smoked

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 09:16 AM

of course it's diluted.
a tiny amount of weed and a lot of butter is no more potent than smoking a regular amount. diluting the weed with a lot of solvent will cancel the potency that it would've had otherwise because the TLC will be spread out throughout the solvent. i already know that eating gram of weed will be much more potent than a gram smoked.

if i smoked it and felt relaxed, wouldn't it be possible to get anxious using it (in a tinier amount) as food? Because eating and smoking provides a "different high".
so as smoke, it's like a depressant
but as food, it might act as a stimulant

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 11:16 AM

if i smoked it and felt relaxed, wouldn't it be possible to get anxious using it (in a tinier amount) as food? Because eating and smoking provides a "different high".
so as smoke, it's like a depressant
but as food, it might act as a stimulant


It really doesn't work like that.

Set and setting have as much (if not more) to do with the effect as how it was ingested. Sometimes you get a mellow high from smoking, sometimes you get an anxious high from smoking the same herb.

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Posted 18 January 2012 - 12:24 AM

of course it's diluted.
a tiny amount of weed and a lot of butter is no more potent than smoking a regular amount. diluting the weed with a lot of solvent will cancel the potency that it would've had otherwise because the TLC will be spread out throughout the solvent. i already know that eating gram of weed will be much more potent than a gram smoked.

if i smoked it and felt relaxed, wouldn't it be possible to get anxious using it (in a tinier amount) as food? Because eating and smoking provides a "different high".
so as smoke, it's like a depressant
but as food, it might act as a stimulant


Why ask for help if you already know all the answers?

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Posted 18 January 2012 - 12:43 AM

of course it's diluted.
a tiny amount of weed and a lot of butter is no more potent than smoking a regular amount. diluting the weed with a lot of solvent will cancel the potency that it would've had otherwise because the TLC will be spread out throughout the solvent. i already know that eating gram of weed will be much more potent than a gram smoked.

if i smoked it and felt relaxed, wouldn't it be possible to get anxious using it (in a tinier amount) as food? Because eating and smoking provides a "different high".
so as smoke, it's like a depressant
but as food, it might act as a stimulant


if you live in california, take a day and get your medical card. do your research and find a good dispensary and pick up a solid indica, if you really need help choosing the bud tender should be able to assist you. an indica should most definitely help cure your anxiety. if you feel that cannabis is the medicine is right for you then go ahead and try picking up an edible next time and eating about a half dose since your tolerance is so low.

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Posted 18 January 2012 - 03:33 PM

It really doesn't work like that.

Set and setting have as much (if not more) to do with the effect as how it was ingested. Sometimes you get a mellow high from smoking, sometimes you get an anxious high from smoking the same herb.


i see


if you live in california, take a day and get your medical card. do your research and find a good dispensary and pick up a solid indica, if you really need help choosing the bud tender should be able to assist you. an indica should most definitely help cure your anxiety. if you feel that cannabis is the medicine is right for you then go ahead and try picking up an edible next time and eating about a half dose since your tolerance is so low.


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Posted 18 January 2012 - 07:57 PM

i dont know how much of a selection you have in what weed you can get, but a high CBD low THC would give you a more relaxed feeling. Sometimes people develop anxiety from weed with too much thc. one can also extract the thc using a vape into a bag then blow the bag out. next time they vape it will just be the CBD left in the weed that will effect you. this is because thc vaporizes at 166c and CBD vaporizes at 190c.
read more about it here:
https://www.greenpas...nt-cbd-not-thc/




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