Do you believe Ron Paul will win?

Title says all.

Discuss.

Do you believe he will win the primary, and or election?

i myself dont think he will win. but i hope he does though. the media is biased towards him you can tell if you watch some interviews. i havent been following the campaigning and shit though we'll just have to wait and see i guess

I think he has a good chance. For the sake of the country, he has to win.

Currently the polls are showing he has a slim chance. It seems like every other candidate is getting the spotlight in the mainstream except for Ron Paul.

I sure as shit hope he wins, but I doubt he will...

Currently the polls are showing he has a slim chance. It seems like every other candidate is getting the spotlight in the mainstream except for Ron Paul.

I sure as shit hope he wins, but I doubt he will...

What polls are you talking about, aside from the 15 that he won?

The GOP can't do it without his supporters. Paul has supporters from all sides who wouldn't vote GOP otherwise, if it's not Paul then Obama's prospects are looking pretty good.

No one but Paul.

As loyal RP supporters, we need to start "bragging" about our candidate to people that actually matter (and they aren't on this or any other internet forum)....

As many of you know, I love politics, I love Ron Paul, and I hate the prospect of anyone else in 2012. This is our time! I am willing to draft letters for anyone on here (who might be too busy, or might not have the words to say) on the plethora of issues that we can tie into our dedicated RP following.

For instance, after the Illinois Straw Poll results, I typed up a letter and sent it to all of the different GOP headquarters throughout my state:
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To Whom It May Concern:

As you are aware, Congressman Ron E. Paul recently won the Illinois Republican Straw Poll that was hosted 10/29/11 through 11/05/11. With the majority of 52% of final votes cast towards Rep. Paul, the politically savvy people of Illinois have voiced their leadership preferences. I understand that the decision to choose one, single candidate in order to represent our party is a daunting task. However, I write this letter to implore you to take these recent straw poll results into consideration when you nominate Ron Paul as the candidate to lead our party, our state, and our nation towards greatness!

Dr. Ron Paul has continued to spread his message for the restoration of our personal liberties, sound money, and returning to a truly conservative approach with respect to the U.S. Constitution. It is these issues, among others, that set Congressman Paul apart from the other Republican Presidential candidates. This written plea is to reemphasize the significance that the coming elections have for our Grand Old Party.

In 2008, President Barack Obama promised the nation “Hope” and “Change”. Since that time, the American masses have been utterly disappointed with the President’s performance and the current direction that the Democratic Party has us headed in. As you may know, Congressman Paul is a beacon of light from the all too frequent status quo found in our political system. You, as our respected leaders within the Illinois Republican Party, have the opportunity and power to put forth the one and only Republican candidate who statistically has a chance to beat the incumbent.

In closing, let me politely remind you of the passionate, loyal support system that Ron Paul has amassed throughout his committed political career. Recent polls show Paul’s support roughly over 10% of likely voters. Paul’s numbers might not scream dominance at this point, but his intense and devoted supporters have already pledged their vote in 2012 towards Ron Paul the man, not necessarily the Republican Party. I hope this letter leaves a lasting impression on you come decision time. I thank you for your time and consideration.

Sincerely,

Marcus Eiselman

^ Great idea. I'm going to to this.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to marcuseiselman again.

Feel free to use that as a draft, and tinker with some of the details depending on who you might be sending it to (that way it applies to your state or your issue at hand)

^ thanks

I think that it really depends. With Ron Paul in 4th or 5th place in most recent polls, and with the current media blackout, no, he will not win. HOWEVER Iowa represents a real chance for Paul, and if he wins or gets in the top 3 in IA then people will finally wake up and it'll just snowball from there. Also, once Newt stops being the flavor of the week and as Cain and Perry continue to drop, this represents another chance for Ron Paul to solidify a position in the "top-tier".

Have you been to a voting booth? Very few logical people can be found there.

Ron Paul CAN win.. Its a matter of getting lazy asses out to the polls

First off I want to say that Ron does have one or two very valid issues.
Yanking in the military and fixing up the trade agreements which have killed the job market are at the top of my list along with cutting congress salaries and getting money out of campaigns.

BUT, he is only going to be President. NOT god.

If the GOP controlled congress (god help us) want to do otherwise, RON can't do anything except veto it!

Secondly his views on deregulation is a non starter.
I would agree that there are issues with regulations that get in the way of some commercial activities, BUT
dissolving the EPA and FDA and letting the corporations "police" themselves IS NUTS!

His healthcare ideas are also a joke! Total Libertarian "free market" ideology.
That's why we have expensive coverage now. Not because of government!

He has plenty of plans for citizens to be able to deduct health expenses from their taxes. (Isn't that government subsidized healthcare then??)

The sooner we go single payer, the sooner we will have a better country.
Every other industrialized country on the planet has some form of government controlled/regulated healthcare.
It's the only way it's sustainable.

and don't start with the socialized medicine whining. The US is the only country where you have the right and good chance of dieing in the street due to lack of INSURANCE.

Not something to be very proud of!

And his pledge to decriminalize drugs is a dream (yea a nice dream) but still a dream.
IF the GOP sweep to power, drugs will NOT be decriminalized.
That you can bet on.

Ron Paul is a misguided choice.

SO NO he will not win!
(he's not going to get the nomination, he's not a good little GOP drone)

First off I want to say that Ron does have one or two very valid issues.
Yanking in the military and fixing up the trade agreements which have killed the job market are at the top of my list along with cutting congress salaries and getting money out of campaigns.

BUT, he is only going to be President. NOT god.

If the GOP controlled congress (god help us) want to do otherwise, RON can't do anything except veto it!

Secondly his views on deregulation is a non starter.
I would agree that there are issues with regulations that get in the way of some commercial activities, BUT
dissolving the EPA and FDA and letting the corporations "police" themselves IS NUTS!

His healthcare ideas are also a joke! Total Libertarian "free market" ideology.
That's why we have expensive coverage now. Not because of government!

He has plenty of plans for citizens to be able to deduct health expenses from their taxes. (Isn't that government subsidized healthcare then??)

The sooner we go single payer, the sooner we will have a better country.
Every other industrialized country on the planet has some form of government controlled/regulated healthcare.
It's the only way it's sustainable.

and don't start with the socialized medicine whining. The US is the only country where you have the right and good chance of dieing in the street due to lack of INSURANCE.

Not something to be very proud of!

And his pledge to decriminalize drugs is a dream (yea a nice dream) but still a dream.
IF the GOP sweep to power, drugs will NOT be decriminalized.
That you can bet on.

Ron Paul is a misguided choice.

SO NO he will not win!
(he's not going to get the nomination, he's not a good little GOP drone)

I'm sorry, but why can't corporations regulate themselves? Just saying that the idea is nuts really doesn't explain to me why it wouldn't work.

Here's an example of an industry regulating itself. Building safety codes and regulations come from the International Code Council, which is a non-governmental body. They maintain the standards for construction and state/local governments can choose to use those standards or go with something else. No need for a big federal agency.

From About ICC

The International Code Council is a member-focused association dedicated to helping the building safety community and construction industry provide safe, sustainable and affordable construction through the development of codes and standards used in the design, build and compliance process. Most U.S. communities and many global markets choose the International Codes.

From International Code Council - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The International Code Council (ICC), a membership association dedicated to building safety, fire prevention and energy efficiency, develops the codes used to construct residential and commercial buildings, including homes and schools. Most U.S. cities, counties and states that adopt codes choose the International Codes, building safety codes developed by the ICC. The International Codes also serve as the basis for construction of federal properties around the world, and as a reference for many nations outside the United States.

The ICC is a United States-based non-profit, non-governmental organization which allows governmental jurisdictions around the world and other stakeholders to collaborate to create model building codes.

Same with the National Electrical Codes, except that comes from the National Fire Protection Association which isn't a a government entity either.

There's no Federal mandates, but yet do we have buildings collapsing daily or electrical fires everywhere? No, of course not.

Besides, if Ron Paul can't get congress to play ball, he could always just start writing executive orders just like every other president does.

First off I want to say that Ron does have one or two very valid issues.
Yanking in the military and fixing up the trade agreements which have killed the job market are at the top of my list along with cutting congress salaries and getting money out of campaigns.

BUT, he is only going to be President. NOT god.

Correct.

If the GOP controlled congress (god help us) want to do otherwise, RON can't do anything except veto it!

Yes, Vetoes are good. What's your point? You know what Ron can do? Everything you listed above.

Secondly his views on deregulation is a non starter.
I would agree that there are issues with regulations that get in the way of some commercial activities, BUT
dissolving the EPA and FDA and letting the corporations "police" themselves IS NUTS!

Please provide examples. Tell me, who is the biggest polluter in the United States and which government agency helps protect them?

His healthcare ideas are also a joke! Total Libertarian "free market" ideology.
That's why we have expensive coverage now. Not because of government!

Absolutely wrong. He's a medical doctor who has had to work with medicare/medicaid/HMO's, etc (all government concoctions). On top of an ever decreasing dollar thanks to the Federal Reserve + inflation.

We haven't had a free-market so your "argument" (more like ASSUMPTION) is totally incorrect. Government is absolutely the reason for the increased costs in anything they stick their mitts in: stocks, housing, education, and healthcare.

"As reliance on third-party health insurance grew, patients became detached from the true costs of their doctor visits. In the 1970s the Nixon administration, along with the late Senator Edward Kennedy, championed the cause of health maintenance organizations (HMOs). Congress accepted the faulty premise that HMOs would reduce costs through centralized management of patients, when in fact the opposite was true: more bureaucracy would only lead to higher costs, less accountability, and worse patient care. In recent years Congress has only intensified the problem with more laws and more regulations, especially with the disastrous Medicare prescription drug benefit. The drug benefit was another example of naked patronage to a politically-connected industry, and it exponentially worsened the federal government’s balance sheet. Obamacare will be the last nail in the coffin of our bankrupt entitlement system. We need a system in America where patients pay cash for basic services, and carry insurance only for serious illnesses and accidents. “Health maintenance” is the responsibility of each of us individually. We cannot continue to collectivize the costs of healthcare and expect things to get better. Authoritarianism is bad for your health. Congress should end the Obamacare mandate and allow market-based medicine to flourish." - Ron Paul

He has plenty of plans for citizens to be able to deduct health expenses from their taxes. (Isn't that government subsidized healthcare then??)

No, that would be citizens being responsible for themselves and not having government steal more money from them...

The sooner we go single payer, the sooner we will have a better country.
Every other industrialized country on the planet has some form of government controlled/regulated healthcare.
It's the only way it's sustainable.

Like who? Where can you find an example for 300+ million people that is successfully run via central planning? I assume you are referring to some small European country which if they do have a successful system in place, it should be implemented on a state-by-state basis, not on a one-size-fits-all courtesy of Washington DC. It won't work, it will be filled with corruption and special interests. Look at "Obamacare" - it was written by lobbyists, big pharma, and the insurance industry...it's a boon for all of them and awful for us minions.

and don't start with the socialized medicine whining. The US is the only country where you have the right and good chance of dieing in the street due to lack of INSURANCE.

Not something to be very proud of!

Oh really? Do you have any examples? If you think healthcare is a "right" (which it isn't)...I suggest you petition for a Constitutional Amendment. Otherwise, STFU.

And his pledge to decriminalize drugs is a dream (yea a nice dream) but still a dream.
IF the GOP sweep to power, drugs will NOT be decriminalized.
That you can bet on.

You do realize that as President he appoints the Attorney General right? And the Attorney General is over the Department of Justice. Under the DOJ's umbrella is the DEA...

He also would be making appointments to federal courts: US Attorneys, Judges, etc. Perhaps appointing judges who actually believe in the Constitution.

He can argue a Constitutional case that the "war on drugs" is unconstitutional as there is no authority in the Constitution authorizing the federal government to make them illegal...think alcohol prohibition.

Ron Paul is a misguided choice.

SO NO he will not win!
(he's not going to get the nomination, he's not a good little GOP drone)

Haha! Good one. His hardest part will be getting the GOP nomination. The easy part will be him crushing your hero, Barack "GWB" Obama.

I'm sorry, but why can't corporations regulate themselves? Just saying that the idea is nuts really doesn't explain to me why it wouldn't work.

And really...

I would agree that there are issues with regulations that get in the way of some commercial activities, BUT
dissolving the EPA and FDA and letting the corporations "police" themselves IS NUTS!

How is this nuts? Many industries already practice self-regulation and wouldn't that be better than a bureaucratized, heavily-lobbied federal agency?

His healthcare ideas are also a joke! Total Libertarian "free market" ideology.
That's why we have expensive coverage now. Not because of government!

Actually, government IS the reason costs are so high. Remember that the healthcare law isn't the first instance of government in healthcare -- government's been meddling in healthcare since the 1960's (Medicaid), and prices have steadily risen since then.



And government services are always subpar because there is no competition (just look at the USPS or the DMV for example), so there's no logic behind expecting nationalized healthcare to be any better/cheaper/etc.

First off I want to say that Ron does have one or two very valid issues.
Yanking in the military and fixing up the trade agreements which have killed the job market are at the top of my list along with cutting congress salaries and getting money out of campaigns.

BUT, he is only going to be President. NOT god.

If the GOP controlled congress (god help us) want to do otherwise, RON can't do anything except veto it!

Secondly his views on deregulation is a non starter.
I would agree that there are issues with regulations that get in the way of some commercial activities, BUT
dissolving the EPA and FDA and letting the corporations "police" themselves IS NUTS!

His healthcare ideas are also a joke! Total Libertarian "free market" ideology.
That's why we have expensive coverage now. Not because of government!

He has plenty of plans for citizens to be able to deduct health expenses from their taxes. (Isn't that government subsidized healthcare then??)

The sooner we go single payer, the sooner we will have a better country.
Every other industrialized country on the planet has some form of government controlled/regulated healthcare.
It's the only way it's sustainable.

and don't start with the socialized medicine whining. The US is the only country where you have the right and good chance of dieing in the street due to lack of INSURANCE.

Not something to be very proud of!

And his pledge to decriminalize drugs is a dream (yea a nice dream) but still a dream.
IF the GOP sweep to power, drugs will NOT be decriminalized.
That you can bet on.

Ron Paul is a misguided choice.

SO NO he will not win!
(he's not going to get the nomination, he's not a good little GOP drone)

Compare everything you just said with the Constitution. You are supporting the government to control different aspects of our lives with your beliefs. You believe in a welfare system that has plunged this country into incredible debts. Every single one of Ron Paul's beliefs goes back to the Constitution. And incase you forgot that is the document telling the government how to run this country. Please give me a valid reason as to why you would keep the FED, I am looking forward to your answer. Please give me a valid reason as to why the government has to step in on our medical issues. If I recall correctly, the government was created to protect our country from other countries and to run the court system. Not to gain control of our every day lives. You are supporting a democracy country. In case you forgot the United States of America was founded as a Republic. Giving people the freedom to run their own lives. And the fact that you go against that is mind boggling. Do some homework and study how this country is supposed to be ran, instead of how it is being ran.