Chiro's 2nd Stealth Cabinet Grow - 600W DWC SCRoG - Nirvana Wonder Woman

Hi everyone, I'm starting a new journal for my White Widow grow, so I will recap everything so far so you don't have to read my previous thread. I just recently completed a Nirvana Wonder Woman grow in the same cabinet that ended up looking like this:


And ended up yielding 7.8oz of quality bud and an additional 1.3oz of popcorn bud.


The last grow grew vegged and flowered in the same cabinet. Since then I built an additional mother/clone/veg cabinet that is significantly smaller. The dimensions of my flower cabinet are 48"x21"x80". My mother cabinet is 27"x19"x35". They are setup in plain sight where guests can see them. Here's what they look like:

Negative pressure makes it hard enough not to open for looky-loos, but I've also purchased some magnetic child locks which require a magnetic key to open, but do not change the external look of the cabinets at all which I have yet to install. On Sept. 5th I germinated 3 Nirvana White Widow seeds. The lot I got looked a bit immature, and only two sprouted. Here they are in the mother cabinet on the left on 9/17

My mother cabinet has a hydrofarm 2'x4 T5 light fixture with 96W of T5 in there. The seed you see in the front grew quite normally

however the other seed that sprouted grew abnormally and was very stunted and still looks like this today:

Because of this, I decided on 9/22 I decided to sprout another White Widow seed so I could have two plants in the grow. As a result, one of the plants is about two weeks behind the other, and due to the fact that the first plant took up all the root space, the other plant is tiny. I basically now consider this a single plant grow.

On 10-2 I topped the main WW

As well as began LST


10-5 I got a slight nutrient deficiency


By 10-19, it was completely clear that the first WW was going to completely dominate the second.

Whereas the second one looked like

I also did some defoliating on the White Widow to promote more shoot growth in the middle.

On 10/24 the WW looked like this:

I have to admit I didn't top off every day nor check PH, so the plant got a little yellow. I think this had a lot to do with not having enough light in there, I probably should have defoliated more.

Finally on 11/06 I rebuilt my flower DWC so it had an inline pump built in and put in the two white widows. You can see the left plant is tiny.

So yeah, considering this a single plant grow


So that brings us up to today, 11/10



In summary, I vegged under a T5 96W system for 62 days then moved into my main cabinet under a 400W MH Lumatek dimmable ballast for 4 days now. Soon I will switch over to 12/12 HPS 400W, and after the stretch I will switch to a 600W HPS with a chinese ballast.

I don't claim to know anything about growing cannabis, this is only my second grow and I still have a ton to learn. If I left anything out please ask, and I hope you enjoy the show, and stick around to answer any questions I have!

Looks good man, subbed.

the big ww looks excellent...i would scrap number 2....she looks just sick...could be a bad pheno all the way around not worth growing....especially if she is over 60 something days old...id concentrate all my effort on number 1....if im not mistaken...did you get a lil over 8 from 2 plants last round or was that 4? reflection of the mylar kinda throwing me off...

but either way...that one ww you have could easily give you over 10oz...with a 5 gallon bucket

one other question...was size buckets are those?

and do you have a 600 watt and separate 400 watt system?

I'm along for the ride buddy.

Looks like I will be a few weeks behind you...my clones are taking their sweet time for sure.

cool look good im going to do a screen next time just havent fig how many i can fit in a 4x4 2 would be easy to do wounder if i can do 4

I'm in, huge potential. love your cabinet setup!

subbed.

..can't wait for round 2

the big ww looks excellent...i would scrap number 2....she looks just sick...could be a bad pheno all the way around not worth growing....especially if she is over 60 something days old...id concentrate all my effort on number 1....if im not mistaken...did you get a lil over 8 from 2 plants last round or was that 4? reflection of the mylar kinda throwing me off...

but either way...that one ww you have could easily give you over 10oz...with a 5 gallon bucket

one other question...was size buckets are those?

and do you have a 600 watt and separate 400 watt system?

7.8 oz from 2 plants in 5 gallon buckets. I have to ballasts, but I just change out the bulb and ballast when I think the plant would benefit from the extra lumens.

So I switched to 12/12 about a week ago, and was surprised to see very little stretch. I had heard white widow stretched an incredible amount. I also was surprised that I haven't seen any white hairs to indicate flowering... so today after lights out I check the cab with the suspicion the lights haven't been going out and yup, timer's broken. Hope I didn't light stress the plants into hermieing! New timer and so here's hoping I won't overgrow the space! Hydrofarm timers are terribly constructed. Get a good one.

I love the new recirc / sight indicator. Now that I can reliably fill to the exact same point I can do math! I had the EC at 2064 two days ago filled to exactly 10 gallons. Yesterday the EC was at 2184 with 8.8 gallons remaining. I would like to see what the EC of the water that was actually used was so assuming EC is linear, we get

2064*10 = 8.8*2154 + 1.2*x

so then x= 1404. So my target EC should probably be closer to around 1404 than 2000! So I added just water, to lower the EC.

I took some pictures but I can't upload them yet. Thanks everyone for following!

Here are the promised pictures from 11/18/11
Here is the canopy right before the switch to 12/12
http://forum.grasscity.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=755972&stc=1&d=1321918906
http://forum.grasscity.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=755973&stc=1&d=1321918906
I have been aggressively training the plant. Because I defoliated during veg, the stems are very compact and strong, and the stem density is quite high. Here's a picture of the stems so you can see how many and how compact they are
http://forum.grasscity.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=755971&stc=1&d=1321918906
As a result, there are a lot of tops all bunched together which makes training difficult, but it's a good problem to have. Because it's so dense, I had to come up with a system in order to make scrogging managable. At this point, I pull all fan leaves below the screen and only allow the tips through. The end result is the fan leaves are below the stems, which hopefully will encourage more shoot growth. My hope is to have a shoot every other square, and then I will cut off any other shoots. My goal is a perfectly flat (or possibly evenly concave up) perfectly evenly spaced 6"-8" above the screen. I intend to trim everything below the screen once this is achieved.

Unfortunately some whiteflys got into my cabinet somehow, and have left a few trails. Here they are:
http://forum.grasscity.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=755974&stc=1&d=1321918906
http://forum.grasscity.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=755975&stc=1&d=1321918906
Hopefully this won't result in stunted growth.

I did a lot of work on my mother cabinet, but that will have to wait for the next update. Thanks for following!

scrog is filling in nice

sucks about the whiteflies, that's one pest I haven't encountered yet.

Despite the white flies, the plants look good. I like your idea for filling up your scrog, mine have always been a little messy. Next time I give one a go, I'll try to use your method.

Thanks! Question: How can you tell when the stretch is over? My Widow has finally started throwing out those tops that look like budsights, so I'm wondering if the stretch is over or just beginning. This plant has stretched very little. If it doesn't stretch any more, I'm going to chalk that up to early defoliation. I expected the plant to double in size from what I've read about the strain, but it really hasn't stretched much at all.

Thanks for the help everyone!

stretch is usually over at about 15-20 days...or 40% of total flowering time. Once you're seeing buds forming, and clusters of hairs on all the tops...that's about the end of stretch.

A normal plant that isn't topped will usually stretch about 2 to 3 times it's size...once you start topping a plant the stretch is kinda distributed throughout all the branches...as is the growth.

Thanks Bongsauce, your help is always appreciated! I think then it's almost done stretching, and it didn't get very big. As a result I think my yield is going to be pretty low, so I guess my cabinet is definitely not a one plant cabinet. At least it's not a 1 plant cabinet my white widow pheno cabinet. Time for my promised mother/clone update! So For those who have been following along, for the harvest after my current one I've been running Dinafem Blue Widow clones in Coco. My decision to use Coco was the result of

• Recommendations from blades I respect
• Ability to run 3 plants in my mother cabinet instead of 2
• Keeping the PH and water level steady of my little tubs was a pain in the butt
• Separating root systems is bad for the plants, and I think allowed the one White Widow to dominate the other

But my RDWC system has been so easy to use, and the thought of managing drain to waste for 5 gallon plants made me reconsider. I was also thinking that managing my mothers in the exact same tubs wasn't so bad, and I realized the reason why was because there was an empty hole that I could do all the work through. So I figured out I like doing DWC, so long as I don't have to use the little drain and spill water everywhere. So I got to work and modified my tubs so that the root systems would stay separate, and also made a little peephole I can check PH through as well as add nutes. I made the wall by cutting a piece of plexiglass to the right shape using a utility knife. Because I wanted water to flow through but not roots, I taped the plexi to prevent shattering and then drilled a hole through it, and stuck a piece of PVC in between. Then I used silicone and a little glue to put everything into place. My silicone tube was jammed so I had to cut off most of the tip, as a result the caulking job is fricken terrible. I thought about the roots growing around the pvc pipe since it was so long, so I cut it down to about half the length it was originally. I also glued and siliconed down the airstones, since last time the roots wrapped around them as well. Here you can see my handiwork.
http://forum.grasscity.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=760933&stc=1&d=1322538721
http://forum.grasscity.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=760932&stc=1&d=1322538721
I also made some modifications to the top. I added this peephole to the top, by using an exacto circle cutter to cut a hole and then used aluminum tape to build a little latch. It doesn't stay down as tightly as I want to block out all the light, so I have to put something on top of it to minimize algae.
http://forum.grasscity.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=760934&stc=1&d=1322538721
http://forum.grasscity.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=760935&stc=1&d=1322538721
Finally, because last time LST was difficult without anchor points, I added a bunch eyelets all around both netpots to have as tie points.
http://forum.grasscity.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=760936&stc=1&d=1322538721
You can see them in use here
http://forum.grasscity.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=760958&stc=1&d=1322539426

Finally I cut down my Wonder Woman mother and replaced it with a clone from my last grow, and I moved a White Widow clone into DWC as well. I also trimmed the roots off my Blue Widow mother and moved it to the back of my mother tub. Then I moved everything to the left. You can see the whole setup here.
http://forum.grasscity.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=760937&stc=1&d=1322538721

Here are the mothers
Dinafem Blue Widow (original from seed, clones of which are going in next)
http://forum.grasscity.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=760961&stc=1&d=1322539594
Nirvana Wonder Woman (harvested once)
http://forum.grasscity.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=760963&stc=1&d=1322539594
Nirvana White Widow (currently running)
http://forum.grasscity.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=760962&stc=1&d=1322539594

My next post will have a flower update. Thanks for reading!

Day 10 of 12/12
Alright everyone here is my flower update. The plant is stretching much less than expected, as a result I have lowered my expected yield significantly. I could have run 3 plants this size in my cabinet no problem if it doesn't stretch any more.
Here is the canopy
http://forum.grasscity.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=760975&stc=1&d=1322539822
http://forum.grasscity.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=760976&stc=1&d=1322539822
The plant has finally started to flower as well, here are the telltale tops
http://forum.grasscity.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=760977&stc=1&d=1322539822

All in all, I hope these plants produce a decent amount. I can't help to think defoliating might have been an error, as well as topping...

Its amazing how big the root balls can get in hydro. I love looking at the root after harvest. Looking F'n great man

Hey dude, I know my widow stretched about three weeks. I stopped training into the screen at about 14 days and it was just right cause it stretched just a little more which made for more bud above the screen. I would stop training it now and just let it grow and see what happens.

Hey dude, I know my widow stretched about three weeks. I stopped training into the screen at about 14 days and it was just right cause it stretched just a little more which made for more bud above the screen. I would stop training it now and just let it grow and see what happens.

Thanks for the info, hopefully it stretches a good deal more in the next week.

Day 17 of 12/12

Very little stretch. I'm hoping this turns out like 5jperday's 1200w scrog and I end up with short big chunky colas.

Here's the canopy


I pulled the fan leaves down under the screen to expose the budsites more. After tucking they look like this:


As for the next generation, the blue widow is an incredibly stretchy strain. The internodal spacing is sometimes over 3". I have very aggressively been LSTing the plant as well as topping. I probably won't have a problem with this one as the white widow.. it wants to stretch!



Finally this is my Wonder Woman mother. Are those bananas? Did she hermie? If so I'll destroy her. Thanks for the help guys!

nice looking scrog man getting chunky already for 17 days in...