1st time grow in need of some seasoned exp. (i think)

hey gc i been smokin since the age of 13 and im 19 in a few weeks and i have had enuf of forking out 10 a g! i smoke at least 10g a week and as you can all imagin its gettin all a bit expensive so i have decided to grow my own. heres the deal... i got small cubord i build in the loft (80w x120l x180h) out of some polystirene insulation. and ive rigged up 3 2x75w cfls wid reflectors. so thats 450w in total. i got 2700k bulbs for flowerin and im veggin wid 9500k (sky blue) bulbs. i was told by me local growshop bloke that these would take me further into flowering and make the flowering a few weeks quicker. but its all takin so long. its been bout 4-5 weeks and my 4 babys are about 10cms high and about 4 to 5cm across. i tried loads to make it go faster wid more nutes and just ended up burning them. any thoughts or advice?

will try to get some photos but no promeses

unless you use high intensity light and or co2 then Ur not going to see super fast growth. you well need to take this into account if you run two rooms you all most need a quarter to half more time to grow with cfl's just be patient.

Pics would be good. What soil are you using? Even under cfls they should be a lot bigger then that. What size pots do you have?

the soil i got is just some cheap ol pre fertilised for 110 days from the supermarket and my pots are 10l so there not short of space, im worried about the lights being 9500k its not the normal spectrum. can anyone tell me if this is an acceptable bulb?

Pics!!!!!!!!!!

9500K sounds pretty high; I'd get 6000-6500. Might be why your babys are so small at 4 weeks; they could just be compacted though, pics would help. Also try letting your soil dry out in between waterings; the fastest growth, that I notice, happens as the pots are dryer.

hey gc i been smokin since the age of 13 and im 19 in a few weeks and i have had enuf of forking out 10 a g! i smoke at least 10g a week and as you can all imagin its gettin all a bit expensive so i have decided to grow my own. heres the deal... i got small cubord i build in the loft (80w x120l x180h) out of some polystirene insulation. and ive rigged up 3 2x75w cfls wid reflectors. so thats 450w in total. i got 2700k bulbs for flowerin and im veggin wid 9500k (sky blue) bulbs. i was told by me local growshop bloke that these would take me further into flowering and make the flowering a few weeks quicker. but its all takin so long. its been bout 4-5 weeks and my 4 babys are about 10cms high and about 4 to 5cm across. i tried loads to make it go faster wid more nutes and just ended up burning them. any thoughts or advice?

Wow, fuck you.

We all huddle around a bowl and take turns shotgunning the shit into each other's mouths the shits so expensive.

But na I'm just playin man payin for weed in any capacity is just fucking retarded so yea that's good your down to grow. And, you know, maybe if u got some extra you could sell some 10 dollar g's yourself.

Faster growth does not come cheap. Literally. You're talking CO2 supplementation, proper soil, pH testing, EC testing, proper light spectrum and distance from the plant, room temperature, room humidity, water quality, etc.

All these things are important and are known as limiting factors. If you don't have enough or the right kind of one, it will hold your growth back regardless of how you fare with all the others. Growing is truly an art and until you get practiced at it, don't expect a High Times quality grow, not that you are. Use the first grow as a learning experience that will give you bud.

Research, read, ask intelligent questions when you can't find the answers (which is different from being too lazy to find them) and then read some more. Then research some more. Once you're tired of reading, stop by a few grow journals and see how the good growers do it, and why they did it.

Then read some more, after a little research. I think you get the picture.

You sure you got that many watts? You should be looking at the actual watts those are prolly really only 13w each in which case you should have more. Although it looks like with this small setup and how much you smoke you will probably still have to buy weed.

hey gc i been smokin since the age of 13 and im 19 in a few weeks and i have had enuf of forking out 10 a g! i smoke at least 10g a week and as you can all imagin its gettin all a bit expensive so i have decided to grow my own. heres the deal... i got small cubord i build in the loft (80w x120l x180h) out of some polystirene insulation. and ive rigged up 3 2x75w cfls wid reflectors. so thats 450w in total. i got 2700k bulbs for flowerin and im veggin wid 9500k (sky blue) bulbs. i was told by me local growshop bloke that these would take me further into flowering and make the flowering a few weeks quicker. but its all takin so long. its been bout 4-5 weeks and my 4 babys are about 10cms high and about 4 to 5cm across. i tried loads to make it go faster wid more nutes and just ended up burning them. any thoughts or advice?

Yeah well your friendly local hydro guy told you wrong , ditch those 9500k bulbs , if they
actually are 9500k , I've never personally heard of or seen a bulb that far up the spectrum.

Your wattage math is quite likely off , don't go by the " replaces a 75 watt bulb" bullshit
and insofar as it goes you'll continue to get the results you're currently rendering until
such time as you upgrade your lights.

And frankly CFLS ( this will start an arguement ...just watch) are as useless as
tits on a bulls nose for anything but supplemental lighting.

9500K sounds pretty high; I'd get 6000-6500. Might be why your babys are so small at 4 weeks; they could just be compacted though, pics would help. Also try letting your soil dry out in between waterings; the fastest growth, that I notice, happens as the pots are dryer.

That's exactly why.

He could easily produce 2 ounce a plant in that space with the right lighting
and the right strains , not with his current setup though.

And frankly CFLS ( this will start an arguement ...just watch) are as useless as
tits on a bulls nose for anything but supplemental lighting.

NOT arguing, just want info
Im planning on running a vege with CFLs; care to tell me why they blow?
I have 200 watts of 6000K on 18 seedlings sexing them 10/14 atm. Afterwards im throwing the females into DWC or large soil containers under 270 watts of CFL and 200 watts T5 fluoro(+50-75 fixture). This is all for vege; as soon as I hit flowering I'll be using a HPS. Why would CFLs not be that great? I would think even a 27 watt CFL over each plant, with CFLs all around the outside, would grow plants very nicely (estimateing 9 female, 10 plants total, I would need 270 watts overhead plus 12 ringing (another 324 watts).
Wouldn't the CFL set up, 600 watts, grow better plants than the T5 4 bulbs + CFL set up?
On this track, now that I've added the watts up I might just get a MH, would a 600 watt MH bulb grow the plants better than my CFL idea? Heat would not be an issue, and im supplementing with CO2

i think im gona se about ditching thes lights and get the right spectrum. would it be posible to mix and match other bulbs to change the spectrum. any one know that? time 4 a bit of research i think

Gotta agree with RoninAmok. Cfl's are crap.

first off - PICS! - you really need these it makes things so much easier



if you are going to need to smoke 10g a week then you have to get between 120-140g per plant if you are going to do a complete grow in the same place since there wont be a place to grow the next plant when the one thats in there now is flowering - now consider you will probably want to sell a little to friends so you will want more then that so say 200-250g per plant every 10-14 weeks depending on strain

think about 0.7-1g per watt with HID lighting that is 250-400 watt hps/mh - and 1-1.2g per watt for 600-1000 watt lights

this is why you want to have HID lighting because yea you can get 250 watts from clf's but they are crappy for flowering, growing they are great, but flowering I wouldnt even consider using them

I would get a 250-400 watt HPS and maybe a MH one if you can because that will make your grow go faster but make sure you have a switchable ballast or a digital one - if you want to you can use the clf's to grow in another place since its not going to smell that much other then like a plant at that stage and then you will have it ready to go when you take the one out of flower

remember that when you start flowering most strains will double in height by the time they are done flowering so make sure you have room to grow or you will ahve to bend the branches down

you have to make a really small bush with lots of tops about 50 or more would be good and only 4 inches long each all about the same height and then into flower, anything under that point you can probably just chop off

And frankly CFLS ( this will start an arguement ...just watch) are as useless as
tits on a bulls nose for anything but supplemental lighting.

Lol, not arguing with you since I'm not a seasoned veteran at growing or anything, but can definitely I say that my 105W cfl has kicked some major ass for vegging/ cloning with the bulb a few inches away from the plants, so I wouldn't say they are totally "useless".

Lol, not arguing with you since I'm not a seasoned veteran at growing or anything, but can definitely I say that my 105W cfl has kicked some major ass for vegging/ cloning with the bulb a few inches away from the plants, so I wouldn't say they are totally "useless".

And you've tried what else for veg/clone?

first off - PICS! - you really need these it makes things so much easier



if you are going to need to smoke 10g a week then you have to get between 120-140g per plant if you are going to do a complete grow in the same place since there wont be a place to grow the next plant when the one thats in there now is flowering - now consider you will probably want to sell a little to friends so you will want more then that so say 200-250g per plant every 10-14 weeks depending on strain

think about 0.7-1g per watt with HID lighting that is 250-400 watt hps/mh - and 1-1.2g per watt for 600-1000 watt lights

this is why you want to have HID lighting because yea you can get 250 watts from clf's but they are crappy for flowering, growing they are great, but flowering I wouldnt even consider using them

I would get a 250-400 watt HPS and maybe a MH one if you can because that will make your grow go faster but make sure you have a switchable ballast or a digital one - if you want to you can use the clf's to grow in another place since its not going to smell that much other then like a plant at that stage and then you will have it ready to go when you take the one out of flower

remember that when you start flowering most strains will double in height by the time they are done flowering so make sure you have room to grow or you will ahve to bend the branches down

you have to make a really small bush with lots of tops about 50 or more would be good and only 4 inches long each all about the same height and then into flower, anything under that point you can probably just chop off

Just cut to the chase and tell him how often folks see 250 gram yields off an indoor
plant. And he's not even getting to the 140 mark you cited with a 250 or 400.

And you've tried what else for veg/clone?

Nothing, but all the same saying it's "useless" isn't accurate. Should I go out and buy an MH/HPS light because you say a CFL is useless even though it's working great for me? Not saying CFL is better, but it damn sure isn't "useless". Driving a mercedes to work would be awesome, but my honda works just fine.