I know this is more of a plant problems thread, but i need some help from a hydro specialists. -Closet grow -5 gal bubble bucket(2 air stones) -Strain: Power Plant(80/20 sativa) -Clone from dispensary transplanted a week ago -400 watt mh/hps -6in from light -tap water ph adjusted after nutes (comes out with bout 30 ppm/ ph low 7's) -4ml of h202 and 7ml each of AN grow/micro/bloom -PPM is around 200 -74-78 degree F throughout the day/night -40-50% humid throughout day/night -No bugs from what i see, pretty early for that i would imagine My question is what the hell am i doing wrong. My temps/humidity/lighting has to be fine. Im adjusting ph and keeping it down throughout the day, it seems to raise about 4-6 points per day as of right now, never past 6.2, I try to keep it from 5.4-5.8. Im using advanced nutrients grow/micro/bloom with the "rooted clone" calculator on the advanced nutrients website, servings are given above, i can't be over feeding. Along with some h202 to keep the system clean. This is my first grow, besides my first attempt with clone #1. With it i had major ph problems for like the first week after it being transplanted, which of course leads to nute problems. But with clone #2 im stumped, can't figure out what im doing wrong. One thing i have been noticing is that my PPM does not seem to go down at all. Is the plant rejecting the nutrients for some reason? Can you get a nutrient lockout from something other than high ph? Symptoms: Tips of leaves curling down, new leaves tips are yellow, new leaves are light green with darker green veins, old leaves tend to droop, stem is turning purple, one leaf has many symptoms as shown in the pics below, dark brown SPOTS and yellowing. All in all the whole plant seems to be getting lighter green as days go by. The new growth isnt droopy or as yellow like my first clone, but the tips are yellow and do curl down. There is the one leave that shows most of the symptoms which i was hoping maybe someone can pin point the symptoms on a specific thing im doing wrong or nutrient that is getting locked out. Look below! The plant seems to be growing well, new leaves are coming in regularly and roots are sprouting from the net pot quickly, but the plant itself just doesnt look too happy and that one leave is a real downer to look at. For some reason the other "big leaf" on the plant looks nearly 100% fine. Any feedback is greatly appreciated, help me fix her! This is how my first plant looked before i decided to pull it..(same strains) This is how the clone #2 looked when first transplanted.. so dark green and healthy looking The set up Heres how she's been looking lately..
Imho it looks like nute burn and poss N toxicity. Dump amd flush ur res and use ph'd water and a small amount of unsulphured mollasses. Then when u topp off use 1/4 strength and slowly increase.
So flush with plain ph'd water and only top off with nutes? Dont add any nutes to the res from the start? And i don't have any molasses but i can probably go pick some up, what purpose does it serve? and how does N toxicity form?
speaking from experience that looks like a lil bit of nute burn. i dont reccomend using the full dose that adv nutes suggests. that pump that you're using is also going to be very disappointing once that bucket fills with roots. invest in one of the much stronger pumps. there will be a huge difference in your grow. a better pump will also be a huge help in preventing root rot. ive been through all of this WITH THAT SAME PUMP! i'll bet that if/when you change pumps that those plants wont droop like that. also 5.8-6.1 on that ph level.
dont use molasses!!!! go with ph'd water and some mother earth super grow tea by adv. nutes. also, use no h2o2 when using organic nutes. it kills the useful organic bacteria or some shit like that. im saying that bcause i also use adv nutes and they have quite a few organic nutes (super grow tea is one).
The reason i was saying i didnt think it could possibly be nute burn is because im not using what the advanced nutrients suggests on the bottle, they suggest 4 ml per liter and thats nearly 75 ml for my 5 gal bucket. I only put 7 ml in the res, which is what advanced nutrients specifically suggests for rooted clones in its calculator that they have on their website, and isnt even 1/4 strangth of what the bottle suggests. Nutrient Calculator, Hydroponics nutrient calculator theres the link to the non ph perfect calculator for hydroponics. the new ph perfect calculator has some insanely high numbers on it so thats why im not using it. im going to try to flush the res, but the brown spots were there before the brown tips, brown tips came after i increased nute strength slightly. instead of 7ml/7ml/7ml i did 10ml/10ml/5ml. Again full strength according to bottle for my size res would be 75ml/75ml/75ml. so its no where near it. still confused on all the droopiness/yellowing of tips and new leave's edges. i don't got the $ for extra nutes/organics right now so im going to try to stick with what i got. I will look into getting a new pump asap though and try to keep my ph level a little higher than i have been. thanks for the input. anymore helps!
the curled and burnt edges are nute burn. I don't care what strength ur at the curled tips are a dead give away. whens the last time you calibrated ur meter. the spots ;look like a ph swing. just cause the ppm isn't dropping doesn't necessarily the plant not eating it could be that the plant is taking the same amount of water to nutes. but the health of ur plants tells me no. hope this helps
Yeh i figured, the burnt edges came after i increased the nutes due to assuming a deficiency, although the curled tips of the leaves were present since i picked the clone up from the dispenser. (if you look at pic 2) My meter is brand new within the month, hanna ph checker, havent calibrated it since i bought it assuming it would be fine brand new. Thanks for answering the ppm question! Don't know how i couldn't answer that myself lol. As for the ph, as said in the original post i had major ph fluctuation problems with my first clone which ended up getting tossed, the GH PH control kit didnt seem very accurate and that seemed to be my problem, i was adding ph up and down like i was on a seesaw. But once i got my meter and was getting accurate numbers, i seemed to have the ph under control. I could keep it from like 5.5-5.8 for a week with a very slow increase. But for some reasons that seems to come on and off. Some days it will keep its numbers, and other days it will rise like no other. For example from 5.5-6.4 over night. My tap water comes out with 30ppm and 7.4 ph after i run it through a simple tap filter. This can't be too unhealthy is it? Or are there other factors in tap water that can cause ph fluctuation and/or nute lockout? I cut the leaf with spots and no more have showed up, my main problems are the wilting/yellowing now, yellow tips of newer leaves and yellowing of edges as well. I will post more updated pics asap. Thanks for all the help! I need as much info as possible being my first grow. Heres the filter i use..
She def looks stressed amd burnt but still pretty. Filters like that reduce but doesnt eliminate chlorine and all disolved solids. Thats your ppm. You can get away with using tap water if you leave it out for about 24-48hrs to let the chlorine evaporate. You should def flush let her recover then slowly build up ur nutes.
Yeh i know i just got the "most expensive, cheap filter" lol... if that makes sense. 24 bucks from hardware store. It claimed to eliminate 99 percent chlorine and yadda yadda, ppm doesnt change when the water goes through it, ph tends to rise a little, chlorine seems nearly completely gone based off color/smell. I used to leave it out for 24 hours but not since i been using this filter as much. Im flushing right now but shes lookin lighter green and a bit more wilted as time goes on, as if its not helping but harming. Ph rises from about 5.6-6.2 in about 12 hours, seems like a pretty steady increase as of right now with water ph'ed w/ GH ph down and no nutes, is this an abnormal rate? Could this be causing nute lock out? Like the title says, im still stumped on my problem..
Well the first thing I noted in your post is it says you have a 400w MH only 6 inches from the clone. That could be stressing the living shit out of a clone that is not well rooted yet. By the way, how do your roots look? Are they even getting to the water yet? I tried bubble buckets once and I had to hand water for a week or so to get the roots to grow out of the netpot and into the bucket. Once it hit the water it just blew up though.
PureWaterClub.com 64 dollars for a pretty good R.O. system... better than that tap thing you got if you get a 5 gallon bucket and a stealth float w/ a drain at the bottom you could have 4.5 gallons of water at the ready in 1 hour.....0 ppm i'd think about it good luck man
Roots haven't been a problem, i have some long branched out white looking roots in my res after a little over a week. I can get a pic if needed. And wouldn't stress from heat show up as a burn or no? Because i see no signs of burn, but many signs of stress.. And i could see why you would have that problem, i just put my rock wool about half way down in the net pot and when i first started had the water level right up to the net pot so the water got to the clone easily.
I think about the damn thing every day lol... I just need to scrape up some money, i spent alot on this grow expecting things to go good with good equipment. It's all a learning experience.
thats a good approach... a learning experience you actually never stop learning... but you have a pretty good start... having good water is half the battle...
Agreed, that's with any hobby, always room for improvement. What did you mean when you said "and a stealth float w/ a drain at the bottom"?