DIY Undercurrent DWC System (pics)

Discussion in 'Hydroponic Growing' started by Original Past, Aug 4, 2011.

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    Ah yes, sturdy buckets and CLEAN holes are required.  I recommend finishing the holes your drill nicely.  Remove any flash from the drilling process, and ensure they're sized correctly, and use a little soapy water to assemble them.   Using a lube will reduce the amount of force needed to assemble the parts, and limit the amount of stress put on the thin bucket edges.  
     
    If you rush this, or move it a lot, they can develop leaks.  
     
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    I know it's been a while, but the master/controller bucket is pretty simple.   It can be any bucket in the system, but I choose to use one in the center, on one end.  The pump will draw water out of the opposite end of the system (via the end buckets) and push the water into the master bucket.  I also aerate this bucket heavily, and use a float valve connected to my RODI system for automatic top offs.
     
    Let me know if you need any specific details.
     
  3. Good to see you around the City again OP,

    Hope all is well.
    miđdy

     
  4. Thanks for the link. I been using  the same system for 3 years DWCD (drip) system. Not many problems except for cleaning and keeping the nutient soulution temperatures down. Checked out the bato buckets interesting...
     
  5. A really big grower and knowledge source here on GC advised on running your pump outside of the rez to keep the temps down. Remove the filter off the pump and inside you'll see threads to attach the provided bits.
     
  6. Thanks Hortila.... Don't have to worry about pump leaks if it is in the rez....When my system draws from the rez it actually pulls from the grow buckets. I will check it out.
     
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    I'm thinking you aren't as lazy as you originally claimed to be.
     
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    In my RDWC system, I always run my pump outside of the reservoir (Danner MagDrive)  The heat from the pump is still transfered from the pump to the nutrients.  If you run a system like this, be prepared to keep your nutrients cool, period.   
     
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    I don't mind building/changing systems, What I want is to grow the best weed with the least amount of effort during the process.   I've grown using just about every method you can think of, and probably several you never would.  The only thing I've learned is that if you know the basic concepts of hydro, you can be successful with any system.  Environmental factors, energy consumption, required maintenance, power outages, these are some examples of the variables that should be considered when choosing which way works best for you.  
     
    An example of my laziness...  If I spend 1 hour a day with my plants, I'd rather that hour be spent drinking coffee, admiring their progress, being impressed by huge white root systems, moving clones to veg and veg plants to flower, etc.   I don't want to be scrubbing buckets (reminds me of doing dishes), siphoning nutrients, etc.  So I always find ways to be a more lazy grower.  I have a fish tank pump on a flexible hose that I use to drain buckets rather than siphon them.... I love that!   As I kept growing, I ended up adding a drain system to all my reservoirs with ball valves and a single pump.  Now I can drain and fill my reservoirs without extra pumps or hoses... twist a knob, turn on a pump, and done... I work hard to design my grows in a way that I can be a lazy caretaker.   I love my plants, and I love love love to grow!   
     
  10. OP-
    Thank you for the wealth of knowledge.  I've left the water for dirt the past few years but I'm working on getting wet again...just love the ease of a dialed system (science, go figure) once it's up and running. I've really only one question for you (initially, I should say)...
     
    ...Why the choice of 3.5 gallon buckets instead of 5 or 8?  Cost only?  Benefitsof a larger bucket...or just perceived benefits?  You ever have root systems that just completely take over the 3.5?...
     
    ...okay, I suppose that was technically four questions.  One more...
     
    ...your buckets are these, correct? http://www.bayteccontainers.com/3-5-gal-square--ez-stor-pail-w-handle.html
     
    Thanks a lot, I look forward to documenting my progress with ssc also.
     
  11. Hi Plucky,
     
    Those are great questions.   I'll try to answer them the best I can.
     
    1) I chose 3.5 gallon buckets because the physical size fit in the grow tent I put them in at the time.  Height was a restriction (as it was a DR90 II, meaning it's a split level so the flowering section was a bit short).  This would allow me to fit 4 buckets and a controller in the tent comfortable.  It was strictly size.
     
    Keep in mind that the larger the buckets, the more powerful water pump you need.  The more volume of water in the system, the more air pump power you need.   You should have about 1-2 watts per gallon of air pump power.   Water pump - I don't think you can go big enough.
     
    2) I've noticed that roots form the most where the path of bubbles are.  More important than a larger bucket is more bubbles.  The key to this system is available oxygen.  The more flow, the more bubbles, and the fine control over temps will maximize oxygen at the root zone.  S o try to use at least 2 watts per gallon (of the entire system) You can add two pumps and two airstones in each bucket.
     
    3)  Yes, those are the buckets!
     
  12. #132 PluckyP, Jul 18, 2013
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    Thanks, OP.
     
    I'm going to do six buckets (four gallon) with 2" pvc.  My pump will be 700gph and I'll place a 6" sweetwater in each bucket (Looking at UC's specs for their 12 bucket system I'm using the same for six...mas circulation).  The only further question I have for you is the quality of those specific buckets.  You've been able to run it no problem without leaks?  I understand the importance of care during construction but I don't want to pay 50 bucks for flimsy plastic...
     
    I've looked into these as well http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/item.aspx?sku=3081&catid=818.  They say they are .075" thick, is that comparable to the EZStor?
     
    Thanks again, when I get building I'll post my progress.
     
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    Hi Plucky!
     
    I didn't have any problems with mine, but I built a paper template that I folded and taped up, so it fit the bottom of the bucket just right, and had a spot I used to park each bucket where I was to drill my large holes.  This kept them all the same height.  This is important because if you have one bucket cut too high or too low, it will cause stress on the uniseal connection, and eventually a leak.  This was apparent and obvious to me prior to building my system, so it wasn't an issue for me.  As long as you're aware of it, and make all your holes in a consistent manner, this won't be an issue for you. 
     
    Some folks definately have trouble assembling one of these systems.  I would suggest purchasing several extra buckets to practice drilling on first.   You can make 10-12 holes in one, just to practice drilling in that type of plastic.   Focus on drilling slow.  SLOW SLOW SLOW, so your cuts are even and round.   I bought a nice hole saw bit in the size I needed for this, as my normal hole saw set is a Harbor freight cheapo.  I bought a name brand hole saw that cost more than the entire HF kit, and it was worht the extra investment to cut nice true holes.   
     
    Thicker buckets would have a better integrity, and probably be easier to machine/fit with uniseals.   As long as you're careful, and clean the cut holes nice and smooth, you'll be fine.   It takes a little practice, and you'll get better at it with each hole you drill.
     
    Keep us updated!
     
  14. Op-
     
    I received my package from pentair the other day and I was wondering what you did about the air stones.  The line openings are HUGE.  I noticed in your pictures in your first post you have an interesting set up when it comes to the bubbles.  Any chance you could go more in depth with the aeration set up and process for these large stones?
    Thanks a lot!
     
  15. Hi Plucky,
     
    Sure thing!   Since controlling the oxygenation of your nutrients is key in a DWC, it's important to use nice air stones.   Most important factor is the power of your air pump.  Next, you want a stone in each plant site, and I put a huge one in the controller bucket.  All powered off the same pump.
     
    What's important about multiple airstones on a single pump is that they should all be of equal depth, below the water surface.   Otherwise, most of the air will escape from the most shallow stones.  The deeper stones will have less air flow through.  This is due to the water pressure caused by gravity.  So number one, get some fish tank suction cups, and stick your stones, or the lines down to the bottom of your buckets. 
     
    What I did, and looks confusing is make my own air manifold.   The use of a manifold is to allow equal pressure to each of the airstone sites.   As long as your stones are placed at equal depth, this is pretty easy to achieve.  My manifold is simply a small chamber (size is unimportant) that air flows into, and then is split into multiple paths.  You can purchase one, but I like to build my own parts, and I had most of the stuff laying around.  I used a scrap of the 2" PVC and glued caps on either end (drilled a hole in one first, to allow air out, to get a tight fit)  Then I drilled 5 holes in the body of the PVC and glued and sealed 1/4" nipples in place.   I glued a 5/8" nipple in the end of one cap, this serves as an input from the air pump.  So the airpump uses a 5/8" line to feed the manifold, and the manifold has 5x 1/4" lines feeding each of the airstones.    I experimented with standard 3/16" air line, and have found that the 1/4" flows much nicer, because I have a very powerful air pump.  If you uses several small pumps, 3/16" line is fine.  
     
    Two more points, I would like to make.
     
    1)   I would suggest drilling holes for your air pump in the bucket, rather than the lid.  If you can pull up the lid without disrupting the airstones, your maintenance tasks are much  more simple. It's also easier to keep all the stones at equal depth.  
     
    2) lightproof your airline at the point it enters the bucket.  You don't want light to enter your reservoir, period.  The hole where the tubing enters (especially if you use clear tube) is a great point where light can enter, too.  I made little flaps of duct tape that simply cast a shadow over the hole.  Low tech, but effective. 
     
  16. This might help you guys in aerating your DWC or RDWC. Check out my video on Super Recirculating Deep Water Culture http://youtu.be/2nd-p8uyxeA
     
  17. CAUTION:

    I built a system very similar to yours and had issues with the buckets.

    First issue was lightproofing the buckets. I thought a coat of krylon would be adequate. It wasn't. I wound up wrapping them with Mylar tape. Took me a solid 8 hours.

    Second issue was the demise of that system. One of the buckets began leaking at the uniseal. I drained the system and found a small split in the bucket at the edge of the uniseal hole. I sealed it with aquarium sealer. A few days later two more started leaking. Drain, seal, fill and wait for more to leak.

    I wound up scrapping the system as the buckets all developed splits at the uniseal. The bucket sides were not strong enough. I have used uniseals on a number of containers with good success but have found that the thickness/strength of the container is very important. Especially with larger diameter seals.

    Good luck!
     
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  18. Hi FarmerJames,
     
    I ran into the same problems that you describe.  Ultimately, I chose to abandon the recirculating DWC system for more efficient methods.  
     
    That said, with the right buckets, and carefully drilled holes, I did have success in building a solid system.   You just have to be real careful about not moving anything, especially while it's full.  This causes a lot of stress on the system, and causes fractures in the buckets, resulting in leaks. 
     
  19. so this is technically a rdwc


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