Norway Attack Was Commited By A Christian Right-wing Extremist With Anti-Muslim Views

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  1. What does the sharp sword coming out of the mouth of Jesus represent?
     

  2. I'm not the one avoiding questions and troling. Why are there two geneologies of Jesus, one in Matthew and one in Luke?
     
  3. Revelation 9:7-

    And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle; and on their heads were as it were crowns like gold, and their faces were as the faces of men. And they had hair as the hair of women, and their teeth were as the teeth of lions. And they had breastplates, as it were breastplates of iron; and the sound of their wings was as the sound of chariots of many horses running to battle. And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months. And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon. One woe is past; and, behold, there come two woes more hereafter.



    Yeah That silly old testament. Its nothing like the new testament which Christians follow!
     
  4. i could take one of those down with a .50 cal humvee ^^^
     
  5. That's not speaking of Christians. Perhaps you should move to Egypt and live under Islam. If you still need some money to buy airfare after your welfare check gets delivered just let me know. I'll be glad to help.

    CAIRO -- If a new political force here has its way, public stonings, whippings and the lopping-off of hands will become the law in the Land of the Pharaohs.

    It all would help return Egypt to "an Islamic state (of) the Middle Ages," in the words of one Salafist.

    Even before President Hosni Mubarak fell from power on Feb. 11, many Western and Egyptian analysts worried that the world's most populous Arab nation -- and America's most crucial Arab ally of three decades -- might tumble into the hands of the Muslim Brotherhood.

    The Brotherhood, founded in 1928 as the world's first Islamist party, has long demanded religious rule in Egypt, inspiring similar movements across the Middle East.

    Yet it isn't the only Islamist faction grasping for power -- or even the most radical. Several groups are arising, including at least one former terrorist organization.

    Al-Gama'a Al-Islamiyya fought the Egyptian government in the 1980s and '90s until most of its members were killed or imprisoned. Its bloodiest attack, in 1997, slaughtered 58 tourists and four Egyptians in Luxor, a major tourist attraction. Like the Brotherhood, it now has formed a political party to campaign in parliamentary elections set for this fall.

    More troubling to outside observers, and to many Egyptians, are the Salafis.

    Recognizable by their long beards and galabiyas, or ankle-length gowns, Salafis are widely accused of fomenting sectarian tension across Egypt.

    Once devoted to proselytizing and known for shunning politics, Salafis have formed three political parties.

    The word salaf means "ancestors" in Arabic, and Salafis try to emulate the first three generations of Muslim leaders dating to the seventh century. In many ways, they resemble the arch-fundamentalist Wahabis of Saudi Arabia.

    They follow no centralized hierarchy; their religious philosophy can vary, as can their newfound political ideology. Yet, in interviews with the Tribune-Review, Salafis supporting different parties agreed on one thing: They want Egypt to be an Islamic state governed by Shariah, the Islamic legal system.

    'We want an Islamic state'

    As Egyptians revolted in January, Youssef Sidhom, a respected figure of the Coptic Christian minority, advised young Copts to join Cairo's Tahrir Square protests.

    "It started out quite nobly, and we were confident at the time that Egypt (was) going through a historical transformation," recalls Sidhom, editor-in-chief of Watani, a weekly newspaper covering Christian issues here. "It didn't continue this way. Sorrowfully ... there emerged the new Salafi groups."

    He blames Salafis for many "violent atrocities" against Copts. In one incident, a Salafist mob razed a Coptic church here and pledged to build a mosque in its place.

    In the green southern city of Qena along the Nile River, Salafis have emerged as a political power -- or as thugs, their foes say. There three Salafis agree to meet two female journalists only if they cover their heads.

    "We want an Islamic state like the one that was in the Middle Ages," says Dr. Mustafa Abdu, a bearded medical practitioner who stares at a tabletop to avoid eye contact.

    His companion, Abdel Rahman Adly, wants Egypt to retake "its place in the world ... when Islam entered Egypt 14 centuries ago, when Muslims and Copts lived together peacefully."

    Both support Nour, a Salafist party founded in Alexandria; Adly says it is allied with the Brotherhood "because they agree that the main source of legislation is Islam."

    Veiling all women

    Sheikh Mohammed Aly Farahat preaches in a Cairo mosque and on a local religious satellite channel owned by a Saudi businessman.

    He concedes many Egyptians "don't want to implement the Islamic system in its entirety and fear it, although there is no justification for this fear."

    Farahat, who also works as a financial manager in Egypt's health ministry, calls himself a "revolutionary fighting for a better future for everyone." His long gray-black beard is tinted with reddish-orange henna, and he wears a white knit cap and a light-blue gown.

    He cheerfully claims the U.S. political system "is the closest system to Islam," then patiently explains his vision of a new Egypt.

    Shariah has "minimal" sway over a nation's political, military and economic systems, Farahat says. Yet certain "constants in Islam ... money, soul, honor and mind," must be protected by using Islam's archaic penal code.

    That includes 100 lashes for drinking alcohol, cutting off thieves' hands and stoning adulterers. Such punishments, he says, must apply to Muslims and non-Muslims alike.

    Poor people who steal food would be exempt from losing a hand, Farahat says. For others, the public shame alone is a deterrent: "When you see someone's hand chopped off in a public square, the thief would get scared. ... When he goes to work or gets married or engaged, it's known that the right hand chopped off means that he's a thief. ... One has to think 100,000 times before stealing."

    He also wants all women -- including Christians, foreigners and tourists -- to be veiled in public. A woman should show only "the face and the palms of her hands," he explains, and nothing "that details the shape of the body is allowed."

    "If her body appears, she will tempt the young men."

    'What are the bad things?'

    Any attempt to impose such rules would cause enormous social and economic friction, other political activists insist.

    Hala Helmy Botros, 47, a feisty Coptic blogger in Qena, says bluntly: "This would be a war."

    Some believe the war is here. Bishoy Faruq, 27, a medical supplies salesman, sits with other young Coptic Christians in a riverfront cafe in Qena, discussing the Salafis' rise and the bloodshed and intimidation attributed to them.

    "It's very scary, and we are getting hit every day, so we might as well fight," Faruq says. He also wonders: "Why don't the Salafis get arrested when they commit crimes?"

    Mohab Al Qady, 27, a pharmacist and member of the centrist Ghad (Tomorrow) party, worries about Salafis controlling "the promotion of virtue and the prevention of vice."

    "What exactly are the 'bad things'?" he asks. "... (They) don't want girls walking around in the streets much."

    In Luxor, an hour's drive from Qena, intense summer heat slows the normally bustling city. Surrounded by some of the world's finest ancient ruins, Luxor's people mostly work in tourism, which has been hit hard by this year's revolution.

    In the Valley of the Nobles where ancient tombs hide in desert hills, only two shops are open. Ahmed Abdel Fattah owns one; its souvenirs, many crafted by him, collect dust.

    Fattah considers himself a religious man but does not want religious men taking over.

    "The people don't want the Brothers or the Salafis," he insists. "They are going to want you to cover up and wear a veil. They are going to impose the veil on tourists like Iran.

    "That is not Islam. How can you impose that?"

    'A voice in parliament'

    At Friday's demonstration in downtown Cairo, attended by as many as 400,000 people, Salafis commanded one of two large stages. Still, their numbers are unclear.

    Abdel Moneim Abu El Fattah, a presidential candidate and former Muslim Brotherhood leader, has speculated that Salafis outnumber the Brotherhood 20 to 1.

    Others disagree.

    "The Salafis still don't rival the Brothers, but they are going to have a voice in parliament," says Michael Hanna, a fellow at the Century Foundation, a New York think tank that analyzes U.S. and international affairs.

    Hisham Kassem, an Egyptian publisher and respected political analyst, said he believes the Brotherhood, the Salafis and other fundamentalists can win no more than 20 percent of the vote in parliamentary elections.

    Leftist activist Ramy Shaath dismisses Salafis as a "gang of hooligans with very narrow minds who can be easily led ... protected by state security and funded by Saudi Arabia."

    Farahat, the Salafist sheikh and government worker, concedes that Shaath's accusation has some truth to it: "Unfortunately, some (followers) did respond to the pressures of state security and used to pass on some information." He calls it "a human weakness."

    He also admits "there may be assistance" from Saudis.

    "In Islam, our sources are the same. All these so-called differences -- Wahabi, Salafi -- all this is meaningless. All are superficial titles."


    Read more: Islamist factions jockey for power, vow religious rule - Pittsburgh Tribune-Review Islamist factions jockey for power, vow religious rule - Pittsburgh Tribune-Review
     
  6. So now christians don't follow the old or new testament? Amazing.
     
  7. Christians not acting like Jesus is not the problem in the world today. The problem is muslims acting like muhammed.
     
  8. ^That'd be true if you believed Muslims were correct (in their view of God, "salvation" or lack thereof etc.)

    Again you clearly have never been to a Muslim country because I'm sure we've got more KKK over here than they have radical extremists.

    99.99% of Muslims do not follow the Koran or Muhammed's expansion of Islam through violence.

    (yes yes Christianity was expanded through violence but this was in direct opposition to Christ's teachings that's the difference)
     
  9. #609 AlienBlood, Aug 3, 2011
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    I have been to a Muslim country. Tell me, how come the non-muslims (atheists and Christians alike) over their are afraid of the Muslims in these countries more than anything else? This segment of the Middle Eastern population (which my entire family living over there- hundreds of people - happen to belong to) is, in a very real way, oppressed. They are forced to either keep their beliefs to themselves or try to immigrate to a Westernized country.

    But don't ask me, the facts are clear: Every country that is a State of Islam (i.e. Islamic Republic of Iran) is among the least free in the world.

    Also, not every Middle Eastern country has an Islamic government and there are some tolerant ones. So it's clear to make a distinction between Muslim countries and Muslim people. If the vast majority of a country is Muslim but the government is secular and not oppressive then that's okay. But that scenario is closer to fantasy than reality. It can be reality, but the change must begin with muslims.

    An interesting article.

     
  10. Give us some numbers, give us some material to back up your statement. Just saying "I'm sure" is not gonna cut it.
     
  11. Tripura

    The National Liberation Front of Tripura (NLFT), a rebel group operating in Tripura, North-East India, has been described as engaging in terrorist violence motivated by their Christian beliefs. [15] It is classified by the National Memorial Institute for the Prevention of Terrorism as one of the ten most active terrorist groups in the world, and has been accused of forcefully converting people to Christianity.[16][17] The insurgency in Nagaland was originally led by the National Socialist Council of Nagaland (NSCN), and it is continued today by a faction named "NSCN–Isaac Muivah", which explicitly calls for a "Nagalim for Christ".[18] The state government reports that the Baptist Church of Tripura supplies arms and gives financial support to the NLFT.[16][17][19] In April 2000, the secretary of the Noapara Baptist Church in Tripura, Nagmanlal Halam, was arrested with a large quantity of explosives. He confessed to illegally buying and supplying explosives to the NLFT for two years.[20][19] The NLFT has threatened to kill Hindus celebrating the annual five-day religious festival of Durga Puja and other religious celebrations.[21] At least 20 Hindus in Tripura have been killed by the NLFT in two years for resisting forced conversion to Christianity.[22] A leader of the Jamatia tribe, Rampada Jamatia, said that armed NLFT militants were forcibly converting tribal villagers to Christianity, which he said was a serious threat to Hinduism.[22] It is believed that up to 5,000 tribal villagers were converted to Christianity by the NLFT in two years.[22]
    In August 2000, a tribal Hindu spiritual leader, Shanti Tripura, was shot dead by about ten guerrillas belonging to the NLFT who said it wanted to convert all people in the state to Christianity.[23] In December 2000, Labh Kumar Jamatia, a religious leader of the state's second largest Hindu group, was kidnapped by the NLFT, and found dead in a forest in Dalak village in southern Tripura. According to police, rebels from the NLFT wanted Jamatia to convert to Christianity, but he refused.[24] A local Marxist tribal leader, Kishore Debbarma, was clubbed to death in Tripura's Sadar (north) by militants belonging to the Biswamohan faction of the NLFT in May 2005.[25] He was dragged away at gunpoint by a group of NLFT militants. His body was found with multiple head injuries in a roadside ditch in the Katabon area."
     
  12. It's a false flag attack. The killer said he hates Muslims but what his target were the sons and daughters of the government elites.


     

  13. If you're gonna copy and paste, then you should provide a link if you want to be taken seriously.
     

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